ive always had a softer look

[EKFitness]

veins show, and I'm between 10-12% body fat, but my brother is the same and he looks much more mature / harder.

currently on a test e/tbol cycle.

for next summer I would like to get a very hard defined look. I know this has a lot to do with diet, but which compounds would be the best for this?

[Matt]

If thats you in your avi you don't look soft but your correct diet plays the major role here.. Have you ever tried masterone??

[BBJT200]

Do you have a history of drug abuse, stimulant abuse, etc? Do you drink a LOT of coffee? are you chronically stressed?


A higher dosage of AI would be my first guess to solve your problem. You may have naturally higher e2 levels, which would make you 'soft' looking.
I naturally have very high E2 levels, and it's actually difficult for me to crash my e2. I can run 2.5mg letrozole/day or 1mg/day arimidex off cycle and not crash my e2.... (Adrenal fatigue, so my adrenals sputter estrogen instead of cortisol when cortisol is needed)

Even before the adrenal fatigue, I had the soft look. I had veins in the area below my waist, above the genitals from being so lean, yet I had the pouch in the front and love handles. Veins everywhere else.
The culprit? High e2.

I've found ways to control this, and it's been difficult (I have to stress-dose cortisone, and run a custom dose of AI).
My last cycle of tren did absolutely nothing for me in terms of recomp, because I had let my e2 fluctuate from stress induced e2 release.

My advice to you is get bloodwork during your current cycle: Sensitive estriadol, testosterone, SHBG, corsitol (AM and PM)
Then, get the same bloodwork off cycle, like a month past the conclusion of your PCT.

See if your cortisol is LOW in either situation, if your e2 is high in either situation.
If your E2 is high, I would suggest trying a higher dosage of AI, and then if that does not work try a different AI (e.g. switch from adex to aromasin 25mg/day)
If that still does not work, I would leave test at TRT dosages, and run non-aromatizing compounds. Masteron, Var, tbol, tren are the first that come to mind for compounds I would use. I don't know your cycle history, so I'm not going to say outright that you should use tren. It's harsh, and not for newcomers as the sides can be unbearable.

If your cortisol is low, see your doctor and look into adrenal fatigue. If you've got it, you're pretty much stuck with the soft look until you can recover your adrenals.
This means no clen, no stimulants, no coffee, etc for a LONG period of time....we're talking 1+years....along with taking adrenal support supplements to help them recover.
It's not really something you can treat on your own. I've tried...I've made myself a human guinea pig and seen some pretty crazy things. If you want an example, look up my thread about t3 and cortisone induced muscle wasting and fat gain. I gained 5-8% BF and stayed the same weight over a period of seven days through one of my attempts to self-dose cortisone to stop my adrenals from sputtering e2 and making me look bloated.

This is probably way more in depth than you were looking for...but hey...that's what happens when I accidentally take two of my adhd meds instead of one...along with Noopept.

[Iron-56]

Not sure what you mean by hard defined look but the shape and roundness a muscle takes is determined by ones genetics. Take a look at Phill heath for an example of someone with, in my opinion, perfect genetics when it comes to muscle shape. Then Branch for someone with not so good shape.

But I think if you do a good cutting cycle you will achieve the look you want. Perhaps try tren?

[EKFitness]

thanks for the good responses guys, yes that's me in my av. I'll upload a new pic of what I look like now.

I'm kinda scared of tren, maybe I will give mast a go.


I'm at .25 eod of adex right now and I think my estrogen is in check.

[EKFitness]

Do you have a history of drug abuse, stimulant abuse, etc? Do you drink a LOT of coffee? are you chronically stressed?

A higher dosage of AI would be my first guess to solve your problem. You may have naturally higher e2 levels, which would make you 'soft' looking.
I naturally have very high E2 levels, and it's actually difficult for me to crash my e2. I can run 2.5mg letrozole/day or 1mg/day arimidex off cycle and not crash my e2.... (Adrenal fatigue, so my adrenals sputter estrogen instead of cortisol when cortisol is needed)

Even before the adrenal fatigue, I had the soft look. I had veins in the area below my waist, above the genitals from being so lean, yet I had the pouch in the front and love handles. Veins everywhere else.
The culprit? High e2.

I've found ways to control this, and it's been difficult (I have to stress-dose cortisone, and run a custom dose of AI).
My last cycle of tren did absolutely nothing for me in terms of recomp, because I had let my e2 fluctuate from stress induced e2 release.

My advice to you is get bloodwork during your current cycle: Sensitive estriadol, testosterone, SHBG, corsitol (AM and PM)
Then, get the same bloodwork off cycle, like a month past the conclusion of your PCT.

See if your cortisol is LOW in either situation, if your e2 is high in either situation.
If your E2 is high, I would suggest trying a higher dosage of AI, and then if that does not work try a different AI (e.g. switch from adex to aromasin 25mg/day)
If that still does not work, I would leave test at TRT dosages, and run non-aromatizing compounds. Masteron, Var, tbol, tren are the first that come to mind for compounds I would use. I don't know your cycle history, so I'm not going to say outright that you should use tren. It's harsh, and not for newcomers as the sides can be unbearable.

If your cortisol is low, see your doctor and look into adrenal fatigue. If you've got it, you're pretty much stuck with the soft look until you can recover your adrenals.
This means no clen, no stimulants, no coffee, etc for a LONG period of time....we're talking 1+years....along with taking adrenal support supplements to help them recover.
It's not really something you can treat on your own. I've tried...I've made myself a human guinea pig and seen some pretty crazy things. If you want an example, look up my thread about t3 and cortisone induced muscle wasting and fat gain. I gained 5-8% BF and stayed the same weight over a period of seven days through one of my attempts to self-dose cortisone to stop my adrenals from sputtering e2 and making me look bloated.

This is probably way more in depth than you were looking for...but hey...that's what happens when I accidentally take two of my adhd meds instead of one...along with Noopept.

past cycle was test e 500wk and dbol first 4 at 50mg. no AI that cycle and a clomid Nolva pct. I had no sides


this time I'm using tbol

[Lunk1]

I agree with Matt. Mast and Var along with Test and effectively controlling your E2 would help IMO

[BBJT200]

Not having sides does not mean your e2 is In check.

[EKFitness]

Not having sides does not mean your e2 is In check.

I currently have no way of getting blood work unless I pay full price. and I feel perfectly fine.

would adex keep my e2 in check at .25mg eod

[austinite]

Mast is a great compound. Will do great things at your current BF.

[altered genetics]

[QUOTE="BBJT200"]Do you have a history of drug abuse, stimulant abuse, etc? Do you drink a LOT of coffee? are you chronically stressed?

Maybe this is my problem cause I've done a lot of stimulant abuse !!

[BBJT200]

[QUOTE=altered genetics;6517716]

Do you have a history of drug abuse, stimulant abuse, etc? Do you drink a LOT of coffee? are you chronically stressed?

Maybe this is my problem cause I've done a lot of stimulant abuse !!

If it is the problem, you do not have your e2 in check.
When you get REALLY stressed out, do you bloat like crazy? (and have estrogen-like sides)

I'm telling you, bloodwork is going to tell you a lot. The money you'll dump on gear to find out mast or tren didn't do the trick for you would be better spent confirming it's not a problem internally.
Trust me, I know all about paying full price. I don't have insurance (either?). *Cortisol AM/PM, estriadol sensitive, shbg, rbc/hemoglobin,

Cortisol deficiency indicates adrenal fatigue. If it's severe enough, your adrenals sputter e2 when you get stressed instead of cortisol.
When you take stims, you put the body in its 'fight or flight' mode - aka stressing your adrenals. If it goes on too long, or too much....adrenal fatigue or even adrenal failure happens.
Which results in chronic water retention, high e2, mood swings, feeling like absolute dogshit in the later stages as well.

If bloodwork is too pricy for you, I wish you luck with your masteron. PS it did wonders for my gyno...more than tamox ever did (Odd, I know...)
-BBJT