Test and tren cycle - coming right up!

[Trying-Hard]

Hi everyone,

Some of you may remember me, most won't. Anyway, my first cycle of 500mg/wk of Cyp went pretty smooth except my E2 levels went through the roof. I feel that was my fault though as I switched AI's 4 weeks into cycle and my dosages weren't right. But hey, live and learn from 1st cycle and that's important. I won't do that this time around. So, here are my stats of today and my cycle.

STATS:
5'8
190 lbs, 15%
31 yrs old
training for a decade or so

Cycle:
wk 1-8: Test prop @ 100mg eod
wk 3-8: Anavar @ 60mg/ed
wk 1-8: Adex .5mg ed (very sensetive gyno and E2)
wk 1-8: HCG @ 500mg (250x2)
NOTE: I will take var up until 1 day before PCT

PCT:
3 days after last shot:
Clomid: 100/50/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/20/20/20/20

Your thoughts?

[Trying-Hard]

I guess another thing that I would like to ask the vets is their thioughts on HCG being incorporated into this cycle KNOWING that I am very E2 and gyno prone.

Thanks again!

[OnTheSauce]

def use hcg. Even being Gyno prone, it should not be an issue with that little of test. Get bloods and check your level out after a couple weeks. Imo, u wont need it

[Lunk1]

Cycle lloks good but I would sure like to see you get a bit more experience using test for another cycle or 2 before jumping the Tren. This would help you get used to managing sides like E2. Failure to do so can cause biiger headaches on tren

[Trying-Hard]

Thanks, Patrick and Lunk. I will incorporate the standard 250mgx2 HCG/wk protocol.

Lunk, I really did NOT like all that test on my first cycle. Lot's of bloat, high E2 levels, higher BP levels, time to kick in (took my EIGHT WEEKS just to kick in), etc. I know what you are going to say next....."Bloat, E2 levels, BP can be controlled through counter drugs and diet". I know, I know. But please understand that I just didn't like how my body reacted to it and I want to try a different route.

But as you can see, my test/tren dosages are moderate and I didn't get stupid with them. I think you can also see from my post that I do research. I have read all about Tren and understand it very well.

Anyway, Lunk, do you also agree that HCG should be used at the standard protocol (250x2/wk)

[Lunk1]

Thanks, Patrick and Lunk. I will incorporate the standard 250mgx2 HCG/wk protocol.

Lunk, I really did NOT like all that test on my first cycle. Lot's of bloat, high E2 levels, higher BP levels, time to kick in (took my EIGHT WEEKS just to kick in), etc. I know what you are going to say next....."Bloat, E2 levels, BP can be controlled through counter drugs and diet". I know, I know. But please understand that I just didn't like how my body reacted to it and I want to try a different route.

But as you can see, my test/tren dosages are moderate and I didn't get stupid with them. I think you can also see from my post that I do research. I have read all about Tren and understand it very well.

Anyway, Lunk, do you also agree that HCG should be used at the standard protocol (250x2/wk)

I understand and yes on the HCG question but...my point is. You obviously had a difficult time getting a handle on estrogen. If you cant get that dialed in on Tren you will really be hating life.

[stpete]

Agreed. Why not start your 19-nor experiences w/NPP for this cycle? Not that you even need that really, just sayin.

[Trying-Hard]

Lunk1, I think you have a point.

How does my Op look? Did I miss anything? Is this better?

[Lunk1]

Up the Test (125mg EOD) Your barely above a big TRT dose and Var is not that strong af an adrogen. Run your var last 6 weeks only (8weeks is a bit long at the dose)

Other wise...I think it;s a great idea.

[Trying-Hard]

In your opinion, is it better to drop the var dose to 50mg ed and stay with the 8 weeks or stay at 60mg ed and do it just the last 6 weeks?

[Lunk1]

In your opinion, is it better to drop the var dose to 50mg ed and stay with the 8 weeks or stay at 60mg ed and do it just the last 6 weeks?

Higher dose shorter time...no question!

[Trying-Hard]

Looks like I got my 2nd cycle figured out. If you guys see anything missing from my OP (like a liver protector?) please let me know. If not, I will get to it.

Thanks, Lunk! Much appreciated!!

[Lunk1]

Looks like I got my 2nd cycle figured out. If you guys see anything missing from my OP (like a liver protector?) please let me know. If not, I will get to it.

Thanks, Lunk! Much appreciated!!

LOL...yup liver protection. Good catch

[Trying-Hard]

LOL...yup liver protection. Good catch

Haha. Ok, cool. What do you recommend and dose? Thanks.

[oatmeal69]

Did you change your original post? I don't see where Tren is mentioned. If no Tren why the HCG??

[Lunk1]

Did you change your original post? I don't see where Tren is mentioned. If no Tren why the HCG??

Are you suggesting HCG ONLY with Tren???

[oatmeal69]

No, I'm asking why use HCG?

[Lunk1]

No, I'm asking why use HCG?

It aids in recovery and atrophy when use during cycle...

[oatmeal69]

Well, that's where I'm confused... Atrophy isn't an issue with Test and Var, is it?

[Granovich]

i think what oatmeal is trying to ask is that title says test and tren and in the cycle he wrote there is no tren
only test and var
so where is the tren ?

[oatmeal69]

Granovich - YES! Thanks, LOL

[Granovich]

LOL you are welcome...
i think the proposed cycle wrote ( no tren ) is very good idea for 2nd cycle... test prop i would go for 150mg EOD
and var i would go for 80mg ED for 6 weeks
AI and HCG on cycle...
PCt clomid and nolvadex.

[Lunk1]

He planned to run Tren but wisely had a change of heart and ediyted the original post.

Atrophy occurs on test....can happen anytime the HPTA is supressed or shut down

[oatmeal69]

Ahhh, Got it.

[OnTheSauce]

No atrophy here. And apparently Im not sterile either. Side effects? What sides

[Trying-Hard]

Sorry fellas, I tried to update the thread title but i wasnt able to.

Basically I wanted to do a tren/prop cycle as my 2nd cycle but Lunk talked some sense into me, so I am gonna stick with prop/var as a 2nd cycle.

So Lunk, back to the liver protector. What do you recommend at what dosage?

Also, I think I am just going to stick with 100mg eod as oppsed to 125 eod becuause my source's prop comes in 100mg/ml bottles. It will make life easier to just pull 1 cc at 100 and call it good.

[Trying-Hard]

So I have been doing a lot of research and it seems like the consensus is that Anavar, especially at the dosage and length of time I am taking it at, is hardly toxic at all and that no liver supplement is actually useful or necessary.

If wanting to take a liver supplement, it seems like people are saying to take a liver supplement AFTER the oral cycle has been completed since taking it during cycle won't give any benefits.

What do you guys think?

[Trying-Hard]

Also, I get my Var tabs at 10mg/tab. How would you split the 60mg/day?

All 60mg at once? 20mg x3 throughout the day?

[gymfu]

I would up the test to 150mg EOD that will give you 525mg/week.

60mg is the absolute minimum var I would recommend, I prefer to split my orals up into twice per day, so 30mg twice per day for you.

hCG is good, highly recommend it

Don't think that's enough adex though, I would go to 0.5 every day, especially if you up the test.

Liver aids need to be NAC, UCDA, liv 52.

What are your goals with this cycle?

[Trying-Hard]

gymfu, thanks!

You recommend taking liver aids while cycle? Or after?

If I stick to 100mg eod, should I still up the adex to .5 ed? I am very sensitive to E2 so maybe this is a good idea??

Goals for this cycle is 100% cutting and to be 195 lbs and 10%. This is the first time in my entire life I am cutting. I have been bulking all my life, so it will be an interesting journey.

[oatmeal69]

Read this while you're deciding about Arimidex or Aromasin..
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...aveled%2A.html

[Trying-Hard]

I read it...I don't see anything wrong with Adex and the way I am using it? Please advise if you think otherwise.

[gymfu]

Adex is fine and yes I still recommend you use 0.5mg EOD, this a minimum dose IMO.

Even for cutting I recommend the extra test. 100mg EOD is only 350mg/week. My opinion is 400 is the minimum dose of test. And this is your second cycle? Deff need 525mg.

Deff use the liver aids while on cycle, in fact start them now if you want.

Your not going to want to hear this but trust me, DIET is key. If your not dieting correctly your not going to get the results you want. 10% is defiantly obtainable, but AAS is not magic.

Go read the cutting stickie in the nutrition section. I promise you it yield more results than a ton of gear.

[Trying-Hard]

Gymfu, I am a little confused. You first say Adex ed, now you are saying eod? What am I missing?

Keep in mind I am E2 sensitive so I am thinking .5 ed is best. No?

[gymfu]

Gymfu, I am a little confused. You first say Adex ed, now you are saying eod? What am I missing?

Keep in mind I am E2 sensitive so I am thinking .5 ed is best. No?

My apologies.
0.5mg/day

[Trying-Hard]

No prob.

Thanks all for the support and comments. Now time to get lean...

[Trying-Hard]

Switching to cyp. Prop HURTS!

Also taking var wk 1-6 to help with kick start. Last time I did cyp it took 8 damn weeks to kick in.

I salute you guys that do prop eod - either my shit sucks or you guys have big nuts!