Bloat and gyno with adrol

[hyphy_beast]

Hey guys, just starting a cycle that includes adrol. I've read Alot of different things on adrol, this is my first cycle with it. I know it doesn't directly aromatize, but it does have estrogenic affects. Possible progesterone as well? Ai will have no effect on bloat or gyno from the adrol so I have nolva on hand. I also have adex, asin, and caber. Besides eating clean, drinking tons of water, and low sodium, anyone have any more pointers or experience for me they can share?

Thanks ahead

Ps. When will I begin to notice it in the gym?

[Bio-Active]

Are you running test along side? Stats?

[hyphy_beast]

Are you running test along side? Stats?

Yes 600 test e,.600 eq, 50adrol

27 5'9 175 10%

[stpete]

Hey guys, just starting a cycle that includes adrol. I've read Alot of different things on adrol, this is my first cycle with it. I know it doesn't directly aromatize, but it does have estrogenic affects. Possible progesterone as well? Ai will have no effect on bloat or gyno from the adrol so I have nolva on hand. I also have adex, asin, and caber. Besides eating clean, drinking tons of water, and low sodium, anyone have any more pointers or experience for me they can share?

Thanks ahead

Ps. When will I begin to notice it in the gym?

Yeah, save the nolva for PCT if you can. and yes, adex is an AI and it's very effective. What is your cycle experience? How long do you plan on running said cycle and is there any other compounds you plan to run?

[hyphy_beast]

Yeah, save the nolva for PCT if you can. and yes, adex is an AI and it's very effective. What is your cycle experience? How long do you plan on running said cycle and is there any other compounds you plan to run?

Yes I know adex is effective as an ai, but I've read that is not the case for an adrol cycle. This will be my fourth cycle. I've run test only, test and dbol, and test npp tbol. This cycle is 600 test e, 600 eq for 16 weeks, kick starting the first 4 with 50mg ed. Will run hcg last 10 weeks with nolva clomid standard pct. Well run adex throughout cycle then switch to asin during pct.

[Lunk1]

Even though Abombs do not aromotize or convert to progesterone...they are still known to cause bloating and elevate estrogen. There is thought to be a direct link between Abombs and the estro hormone not through the conversion process. I am not sure this would work but Nolva since it blocks at the site may be effective. This is a theory only!1

[hyphy_beast]

Even though Abombs do not aromotize or convert to progesterone...they are still known to cause bloating and elevate estrogen. There is thought to be a direct link between Abombs and the estro hormone not through the conversion process. I am not sure this would work but Nolva since it blocks at the site may be effective. This is a theory only!1

That's the conclusion I've been coming to. besides the normal adex throughout, should I wait to see sides before taking nolva on cycle or take a low preventative dose?

[Lunk1]

That's the conclusion I've been coming to. besides the normal adex throughout, should I wait to see sides before taking nolva on cycle or take a low preventative dose?

I would not take it unless I experienced physical signs like gyno

[hyphy_beast]

I would not take it unless I experienced physical signs like gyno

OK. Thanks, helpful as always Lunk

[Lunk1]

OK. Thanks, helpful as always Lunk

Keep in mind..I am only hypothesizing. I have not taken Abombs and have no 1st hand experience on this particular matter.

[hyphy_beast]

Keep in mind..I am only hypothesizing. I have not taken Abombs and have no 1st hand experience on this particular matter.

Ok, thanks for the heads up.

[stpete]

That's the conclusion I've been coming to. besides the normal adex throughout, should I wait to see sides before taking nolva on cycle or take a low preventative dose?

Adjust adex accordingly. Are you saying you're going to use both nolva and adex during cycle?

[hyphy_beast]

Adjust adex accordingly. Are you saying you're going to use both nolva and adex during cycle?

I'm going to use adex. But nolva in case I get physical sides, because adex can be useless against adrol gyno because it doesn't aromatize like other compounds.

[gearbox]

I'm going to use adex. But nolva in case I get physical sides, because adex can be useless against adrol gyno because it doesn't aromatize like other compounds.

What?
Adrol does arom (increase estro) we are not.exactly sure how, but this doesn't count adex to be less affective.

[gearbox]

You have a serm and an ai. Two different compounds.

[Lunk1]

What?
Adrol does arom (increase estro) we are not.exactly sure how, but this doesn't count adex to be less affective.

Adrol does not convert to estrogen via aromatization. Due to this an AI is virtually ineffective against any bloat associated with Adrol. However, due to the fact that Adrol does not aromatize it will not cause gyno. One would still obviously use an AI to control E2 levels due to the Test base of a cycle however.

I don't believe Nolva is necessary nor will it help with any associated bloating caused by Adrol. Like Dbol...once you stop using it the bloat will dissipate.

[hyphy_beast]

You have a serm and an ai. Two different compounds.

I understand nolva is a serm and adex an ai. Researching adrol I've read multiple places that it does not directly aromatize like say test, therefore ai are not as effective. However it does somehow increase estrogen and your best bet is to block it at the receptor site with nolva...

[hyphy_beast]

Adrol does not convert to estrogen via aromatization. Due to this an AI is virtually ineffective against any bloat associated with Adrol. However, due to the fact that Adrol does not aromatize it will not cause gyno. One would still obviously use an AI to control E2 levels due to the Test base of a cycle however.

I don't believe Nolva is necessary nor will it help with any associated bloating caused by Adrol. Like Dbol...once you stop using it the bloat will dissipate.

I agree with you you are at least getting what I'm saying lol. But my understanding is that it in fact CAN cause gyno, no?

[Lunk1]

I agree with you you are at least getting what I'm saying lol. But my understanding is that it in fact CAN cause gyno, no?

No...It doesn't aromatize therefore it doesn't convert to estrogen. Even IF it does stimulate estrogen receptors it doesn't increase estrogen levels. You will bloat up from water retention but it will go away.

Everything I find still suggest to use a low dose Nolva through cycle along with your AI. 20mg per day would be good from everything I have read.

[hyphy_beast]

No...It doesn't aromatize therefore it doesn't convert to estrogen. Even IF it does stimulate estrogen receptors it doesn't increase estrogen levels. You will bloat up from water retention but it will go away.

Everything I find still suggest to use a low dose Nolva through cycle along with your AI. 20mg per day would be good from everything I have read.

I see... Thanks Lunk.

[Metalject]

As a DHT derived compound Anadrol cannot aromatize and does not aromatize despite displaying estrogenic properties. Why it's estrogenic hasn't been proven with 100% accuracy but the compound does appear to activate the estrogen receptors, particularly the estrogenic mechanism in the mammary tissue. This we do know.

Anti-Estrogens and Anadrol:

AI's: As Oxymethenolone doesn't aromatize there is no aromatization for an AI to inhibit. You can't inhibit what doesn't exist.

SERM's: SERM's bind at the estrogen receptor, the area being activated by Oxymethenolone, so on paper SERM's make the most sense when trying to combat the estrogenic effects of this steroid.

All that said - if estrogen levels are kept low it is plausible that even if the estrogenic mechanism is activated the individual shouldn't have a problem. This would lend to AI's being the most effective. However, some studies have shown gynecomastia to occur with Oxymethenolone use despite low levels of estrogen, which again would lend to SERM's being the best bet. I know this makes things confusing.

The best course of action: If you're using Anadrol the odds are strong you're using other things too. I hope so as Oxymethenolone is a secondary steroid, not a foundational steroid. For that reason the use of an AI will probably be warranted with or without Anadrol. Will this AI be enough to protect you? Unfortunately, this is an answer that cannot be given in absolute terms but the best course of action is to keep both AI's and SERM's on hand. You may actually need both.

[hyphy_beast]

As a DHT derived compound Anadrol cannot aromatize and does not aromatize despite displaying estrogenic properties. Why it's estrogenic hasn't been proven with 100% accuracy but the compound does appear to activate the estrogen receptors, particularly the estrogenic mechanism in the mammary tissue. This we do know.

Anti-Estrogens and Anadrol:

AI's: As Oxymethenolone doesn't aromatize there is no aromatization for an AI to inhibit. You can't inhibit what doesn't exist.

SERM's: SERM's bind at the estrogen receptor, the area being activated by Oxymethenolone, so on paper SERM's make the most sense when trying to combat the estrogenic effects of this steroid.

All that said - if estrogen levels are kept low it is plausible that even if the estrogenic mechanism is activated the individual shouldn't have a problem. This would lend to AI's being the most effective. However, some studies have shown gynecomastia to occur with Oxymethenolone use despite low levels of estrogen, which again would lend to SERM's being the best bet. I know this makes things confusing.

The best course of action: If you're using Anadrol the odds are strong you're using other things too. I hope so as Oxymethenolone is a secondary steroid, not a foundational steroid. For that reason the use of an AI will probably be warranted with or without Anadrol. Will this AI be enough to protect you? Unfortunately, this is an answer that cannot be given in absolute terms but the best course of action is to keep both AI's and SERM's on hand. You may actually need both.

Yes! That's what I'm talking about. Thank you sir!

[Granovich]

i think Titan is running Adrol and he is happy with strength gains
you should ask him for real life experience

[Metalject]

i think Titan is running Adrol and he is happy with strength gains
you should ask him for real life experience

For whatever it's worth my real life experience with Anadrol is as follows:

Anadrol was never one of my favorite oral steroids. Anadrol vs. Dbol I always preferred Dbol.
Amounts used: 50mg/ed a handful of times, 100mg/ed once. Dbol, anywhere from 25-100mg/ed but later on no more than 50mg/ed

In terms of raw weight gain, not a big difference with Anadrol or Dbol but I would say the quality of the weight gain was normally a little better with Dbol. Strength gains, Dbol for me all day long. Maintaining any of the progress made with either, again Dbol wins every time, at least for me. In this case I'm referring to maintaining progress once a kick start is over and with Anadrol even though the overall cycle continued I always maintained more with Dbol. IMO the 5mg pinks were always hard to beat.

Gyno, never been a major issue with me with anything I've used. I did have one small flair up once and it was with Anadrol. I was able to get a script for it once in my life, thirty 50mg tabs. I had horrific insomnia when taking these and this is the only steroid that ever caused this for me. Not even Tren has ever given me insomnia like it seems to many people.

Water retention, I've always believed as long as estrogen is decently controlled your diet will have more to do with water retention than anything else regardless of what you're using.

The best time to use Anadrol, IMO at the end of a cutting cycle, especially a contest cycle. If you've got some experience with it, know how your body reacts to it and understand how to control water retention it can really give the physique a very nice finishing touch before a show. It normally doesn't take much, 2-3wks is enough. A mere 25mg/ed for 2wks can do the trick and give you a much fuller look but you really need to be in shape to benefit from this type of Anadrol use. I mean really lean.

Last thing, other than the final wks of a cutting cycle I've had some success using Anadrol mid-cycle to break through a sticking point, but even then I still prefer Dbol for that.

[Granovich]

For whatever it's worth my real life experience with Anadrol is as follows:

Anadrol was never one of my favorite oral steroids. Anadrol vs. Dbol I always preferred Dbol.
Amounts used: 50mg/ed a handful of times, 100mg/ed once. Dbol, anywhere from 25-100mg/ed but later on no more than 50mg/ed

In terms of raw weight gain, not a big difference with Anadrol or Dbol but I would say the quality of the weight gain was normally a little better with Dbol. Strength gains, Dbol for me all day long. Maintaining any of the progress made with either, again Dbol wins every time, at least for me. In this case I'm referring to maintaining progress once a kick start is over and with Anadrol even though the overall cycle continued I always maintained more with Dbol. IMO the 5mg pinks were always hard to beat.

Gyno, never been a major issue with me with anything I've used. I did have one small flair up once and it was with Anadrol. I was able to get a script for it once in my life, thirty 50mg tabs. I had horrific insomnia when taking these and this is the only steroid that ever caused this for me. Not even Tren has ever given me insomnia like it seems to many people.

Water retention, I've always believed as long as estrogen is decently controlled your diet will have more to do with water retention than anything else regardless of what you're using.

The best time to use Anadrol, IMO at the end of a cutting cycle, especially a contest cycle. If you've got some experience with it, know how your body reacts to it and understand how to control water retention it can really give the physique a very nice finishing touch before a show. It normally doesn't take much, 2-3wks is enough. A mere 25mg/ed for 2wks can do the trick and give you a much fuller look but you really need to be in shape to benefit from this type of Anadrol use. I mean really lean.

Last thing, other than the final wks of a cutting cycle I've had some success using Anadrol mid-cycle to break through a sticking point, but even then I still prefer Dbol for that.

awesome review Metalject. very useful and thorough
i believe adrol is really bad on liver too.. i havent tried it yet. well i took 50mg ED for 2 weeks but didnt feel anything it was definitely fake
so i just threw the rest away. im gonna try some dbol i have some legit ones.

[Metalject]

awesome review Metalject. very useful and thorough
i believe adrol is really bad on liver too.. i havent tried it yet. well i took 50mg ED for 2 weeks but didnt feel anything it was definitely fake
so i just threw the rest away. im gonna try some dbol i have some legit ones.

It is hepatotoxic, this is true but how much so is sometimes a little over exaggerated. Often people will opt for Dbol over Anadrol believing Dbol is less toxic but Dbol is actually more toxic on a per mg basis than steroids like Winstrol, which is another steroid that's often misunderstood when it comes to hepatotoxicity.

There's a mention of a good study in Lewellyn's book about the toxic nature of Anadrol. Two studies actually. In one men were given 50mg or 100mg but only severe issues of concern arose in men who were given more than 50mg. Another study had a group of men using Anadrol at 50mg for over a year. I do not remember the full details of the study but the findings were not as horrific as we might initially think, not even close. This isn't me telling people to use Androl for months on end, far from it but when it comes to the toxic nature of a C17-aa steroid there are differences and they seem to often be less toxic or more toxic than people think regarding the steroid in question. Winstrol again being a great example.

Anyway, if liver toxicity is a concern I'd say stay away from all C17-aa steroids. If you're dead set on one but still concerned Anavar is always the safest bet.

[hyphy_beast]

For whatever it's worth my real life experience with Anadrol is as follows:

Anadrol was never one of my favorite oral steroids. Anadrol vs. Dbol I always preferred Dbol.
Amounts used: 50mg/ed a handful of times, 100mg/ed once. Dbol, anywhere from 25-100mg/ed but later on no more than 50mg/ed

In terms of raw weight gain, not a big difference with Anadrol or Dbol but I would say the quality of the weight gain was normally a little better with Dbol. Strength gains, Dbol for me all day long. Maintaining any of the progress made with either, again Dbol wins every time, at least for me. In this case I'm referring to maintaining progress once a kick start is over and with Anadrol even though the overall cycle continued I always maintained more with Dbol. IMO the 5mg pinks were always hard to beat.

Gyno, never been a major issue with me with anything I've used. I did have one small flair up once and it was with Anadrol. I was able to get a script for it once in my life, thirty 50mg tabs. I had horrific insomnia when taking these and this is the only steroid that ever caused this for me. Not even Tren has ever given me insomnia like it seems to many people.

Water retention, I've always believed as long as estrogen is decently controlled your diet will have more to do with water retention than anything else regardless of what you're using.

The best time to use Anadrol, IMO at the end of a cutting cycle, especially a contest cycle. If you've got some experience with it, know how your body reacts to it and understand how to control water retention it can really give the physique a very nice finishing touch before a show. It normally doesn't take much, 2-3wks is enough. A mere 25mg/ed for 2wks can do the trick and give you a much fuller look but you really need to be in shape to benefit from this type of Anadrol use. I mean really lean.

Last thing, other than the final wks of a cutting cycle I've had some success using Anadrol mid-cycle to break through a sticking point, but even then I still prefer Dbol for that.

Thank you. Very thorough and informative on a first hand basis. I have never tried a bombs before. I have ran dbol (LOVED IT) and tbol (mixed feelings). I wanted to get first hand experience with adrol and see how it works for me. Winny and var are next on the list for later cycles. I might even try finishing the last 4 weeks of this cycle with one of them since I'm running a long eq cycle...