Clomid working very well so far

[Vahevahe]

Hi guys. My names victor and im 24yo. I had low t since puberty and moderate one sided gyno.i felt like shit most of the time and the times i didnt feel like shit was when i was asleep. To summarize It was a anchor on my life. I had axitey and depression also caused by low t. After being refered by asiandude to dr. Karlis ullis . He gave me clomid and my t went frm 220 to 1127. Im still not done with clomid treatment but i want to join the military will these numbers stick?

[HRTstudent]

nobody can tell you if they will stick.

but if you address what might be the underlying cause and/or nutritional or lifestyle deficits then I would be hopeful that you can see a lasting improvement.

just out of curiousity how are you dosing the clomid and how long have you been on it?

[Vahevahe]

I started at 50mg at bedtime for 4 weeks along with .5mg armidex for my gyno and after that my levels were 1200 with only 4 weeks. Now im on one every other night and armidex for 4 more weeks.

[powerlifterty16]

what were your lh and fsh before starting..and what are they now? do you feel any different?

[Trific]

how much armidex total per week?

[Vahevahe]

Im not sure the exact lh and fsh but i know both were low.
I take half a 1 mg tablet at bedtime every other day. My gyno has reduced by 70%

Oh the feeling part im a new person. My anxiety and depression are almost all gone im losing weight and i have a ton of energy. No more brain fog. If your in a tough spot read some of my old threads.hope that helps

[Java Man]

Cool deal. I don't have low t but I was impressed with clomid on my last pct. My first time with it. The sudden loss of vision side effect would worry me a bit if using long term. I read some good clinical studies on long term hcg use in men recently that impressed me too. 24 months with no ill effects.

Have you discussed HCG with your doc?

[Vahevahe]

Yeah i tried hcg first but it only raised it 200 points but the doc said we might have rushed the hcg and not given it enought time to work

[zillagod]

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[Vahevahe]

I know its tough but hang in there brother

[Trific]

Cool that your A&D are almost gone...how high did your estradiol get?

1.75mg per week is alot and I think you were doing twice that ....wow...are you getting E2 labs so you don't crash it?......interesting!!

[Vahevahe]

My e2 came back at 52 so i switched my armidex from half a mg every 3 days to every 2 days. Now waiting for blood test but feel confident enough that i already started enlisting.

[Java Man]

That's what you have to do. No guarantees. Live your life. Its a condition, that's all. GL with the recruiting!

[HRTstudent]

Yeah i tried hcg first but it only raised it 200 points but the doc said we might have rushed the hcg and not given it enought time to work

how long were you taking HCG?

[Vahevahe]

250iu every 3 days i took 8 shots in the belly. Was supposed to do 10. Anther lovly side effect of hypogondism memory loss :/ lol

I do not condone using any medication without a doctors prescription but if u dnt have a pituitary tumor trying clomid OR HCG is a no brainer. Do not use both as i was told they cancel each other out

[VTX1800]

250iu every 3 days i took 8 shots in the belly. Was supposed to do 10. Anther lovly side effect of hypogondism memory loss :/ lol

I do not condone using any medication without a doctors prescription but if u dnt have a pituitary tumor trying clomid OR HCG is a no brainer. Do not use both as i was told they cancel each other out

There is no truth to hcg and clomid canceling each other out.

[HRTstudent]

There is no truth to hcg and clomid canceling each other out.

it might just be a "dumbed down" version of saying this...

HCG suppresses your HPTA but clomid stimulates it. so in a very ambiguously-termed fashion, they do "cancel" each other out to some degree.

it just could be worded much better, and doesn't necessarily help explain what exactly is going on in the body...

[dhickey]

They are redundant. You might take both for a few weeks if you are switching from HCG to Clomid.

[zillagod]

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[HRTstudent]

still feeling good about the clomid treatment? no negative sides? everything i have read so far seem to show that clomid does seem to drastically raise test, but most users seem to feel like total crap while on it, even though their numbers seem good?

to say "most" would, i believe, be a scenario where selective attention and/or incomplete information is at play...

the key for clomid's success seems in large part a function of the dose. people with success that post online routinely use 12.5mg or less per day.

does everyone feel better? not at all. but not every feels better on testosterone injections either.

[drooke]

going through the same issue.... i have never had this low of test before last time i got blood work i was in the 700's i got blood taken a few days ago and my tes was only 148... i have clomid so im thinking about taking it doing 100/100/50/50 my endo cant see me until end of july but i need to boost my test... i havent had a loss in sex drive or anything which is the other weird thing too and im also only 23... 175lb 10% bf hormones suck

[powerlifterty16]

going through the same issue.... i have never had this low of test before last time i got blood work i was in the 700's i got blood taken a few days ago and my tes was only 148... i have clomid so im thinking about taking it doing 100/100/50/50 my endo cant see me until end of july but i need to boost my test... i havent had a loss in sex drive or anything which is the other weird thing too and im also only 23... 175lb 10% bf hormones suck

im guessing youve done steroids

[HRTstudent]

im guessing youve done steroids

aside from some acute illness or trauma, you're probably right.

the best course of action in that case, in my opinion, is to stop self treating now.

[powerlifterty16]

aside from some acute illness or trauma, you're probably right.

the best course of action in that case, in my opinion, is to stop self treating now.

i said that because he has clomid

[zillagod]

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[HRTstudent]

selective attention? please explain?

yes not everyone feels better on clomid therapy, from my research most do not...also, sometimes with test injections....but what is your point exactly??

my question was aimed at Vahevahe, and his own personal experience...

I was saying that for many men, probably hundreds of thousands, that clomid does a good enough job at increasing testosterone and being a useful treatment that it is still used today. it has a very good body of science to support it as well. but online, I routinely come across people talking about using 5 to 10 times higher doses than are warranted. this very well could explain the poor reputation it receives -- many people are maximizing the side effects by using way, way too much.