need help for first time cycle

[adhillon604]

i am currently taking 3 50mg pills of anadrol a day and 1.5 cc of test e twice a week, so thats 3cc a week. i was just wondering what sort of pcts i need to take and when to start them. i started the test on june 16th and the anadrol a week before that. this is my first cycle so any help would be appreciated.

[adhillon604]

i am half way done the test cycle. 3 weeks left to go for a total of 6 weeks

[Back In Black]

Age?
Weight?
Height?
Bodyfat?
Years training?
Cycle history?
Concentration of test e?
Who gave you this ridiculous cycle to follow?
Are you using an AI? HCG? Liver protection?
What PCt items do you have to hand?

[marcus300]

Your shouldn't be taking drol on your first cycle stop it straight away,

6 weeks of test e is pointless,

using steroids at 20yrs old is as big mistake


There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[adhillon604]

i will probably extend my test cycle to 10 weeks instead of 6.
im 20
166lbs
height-6"1
years training=2
concentration-250mg/ml
and i am not using an ai or hcg or anything else right now besides the test and anadrol. so if someone can tell me what i should be taking with it right now and afterwards would greatly help.
i can get the appropriate things required if you list them.

[marcus300]

Come off the cycle straight away and go into pct, your nowhere near ready for steroids and your going to hurt yourself. You will lose all gains made after the cycle stops so its all pointless anyway.

Stop the cycle and go into pct and learn how to train correctly and eat to gain size and mass.

[Back In Black]

You need to stop everything immediately and get yourself some nolvadex to run 2 weeks after your last pin.

You have done everything wrong here so let's try and fix it for you.

Firstly, whoever gave you that cycle, you need to kick them in the cock as hard as you can. Twice.

Secondly, get in our nutrition forum and learn how to eat to fulfil your goals. I can't imagine how poor your diet is to be that weight at that height, especially after 4 weeks of anadrol use.

Let's hope we can minimise the damage.

[marcus300]

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[adhillon604]

i was originally 154 lbs and have gained 12 lbs. but if i were to finish this anadrol cycle what would i need to be taking after i am done my test? and what should i be taking currently if i choose to finish it?

[Back In Black]

i was originally 154 lbs and have gained 12 lbs. but if i were to finish this anadrol cycle what would i need to be taking after i am done my test? and what should i be taking currently if i choose to finish it?

All your weight gain is likely water, you will probably lose everything because your diet isn't up to par.

As stated above get some nolvadex. You've only ran test for 3 weeks so you should get away with that only and run it 40/20/20/20.

Under no circumstance should you choose to finish anything. Have you read what Marcus has posted?

[adhillon604]

yes i understand. i have increased my diet immensely and have a high protein and calorie intake. so can i continue to run the test?

[Back In Black]

You can do what you want. You can ask for advice and ignore it. You can ask for advice and follow it. Again, did you read what Marcus wrote? Do you know the risks you are putting yourself under?

Absolutely nobody here will recommend you continue your cycle. Stop it and run PCT.

Please list your diet, with calories and macro's, in our nutrition forum.

[Java Man]

This is a horrible cycle and you were unprepared. You're not developed enough to even need AAS. If you are 6' 1'' 166lbs you could be 1% bf and youvstill have a few years of natural growth in you before AAS will have any lasting benefit. Eat. A lot.

Listen to Marcus and Back in Black. Wise people.

That said, since you are already a month or so into it you need damage control at this point. Stop the anadrol right now. 150mg per day is a lot of Anadrol. It's one of if not THE most toxic anabolic. It is the only one that has been shown to actually cause liver tumors, too. Just stop taking it.

Get some Nolvadex and Clomid.

Stop taking the test injections and start post cycle therapy. Wait until you have a solid foundation and youre older.

[adhillon604]

thanks for the help ill stop it and start pcts. appreciate it

[Gaspaco]

thanks for the help ill stop it and start pcts. appreciate it

Good choice!

Listen to guys^^^

You are not quite ready to be messing with any AAS(age and no base not mention of drol.

Eat sleep train = youll grow!!!

[Java Man]

thanks for the help ill stop it and start pcts. appreciate it

I hope you mean that. The dream is hard to put down when you think its inside a vial but it really isn't. I made the same mistake. You still have to break your ass in the gym and your wallet on food. Steroids aren't magic beans.