Moving to SubQ - Timing Questions?

[vmons01]

I'm making the move to SubQ after pinning IM for a couple of years.

I'm going to time the SubQ shots twice a week on Tuesday & Friday to maximize my weekend mojo. I used to pin 150mg IM per week on Wednesday morning.

I'm going to use 1/2" 27g needles to pin. I tried it and it's very comfortable. I actually tried a 30g needle. It worked ok just took forever to load.

I've got four questions I'd really appreciate some help with!

1) How do I time my twice weekly 250mg HCG shots with the twice weekly SubQ shots?
2) I'm very lean, what are some of the options on pin sites (fatty locations). I have ideas, but am looking for more opinions. How am I sure I'm "in" fat, can I go 1/4" in, and not the full 1/2"?
3) If I were to restart an AI, let's say 1mg per week, how would I time two 1/2 mg doses?
4) How to recover Estradiol? After crashing it, i'm currently at 8 and would like to increase it.

[bass]

I'm making the move to SubQ after pinning IM for a couple of years.

I'm going to time the SubQ shots twice a week on Tuesday & Friday to maximize my weekend mojo. I used to pin 150mg IM per week on Wednesday morning.

I'm going to use 1/2" 27g needles to pin. I tried it and it's very comfortable. I actually tried a 30g needle. It worked ok just took forever to load.

I've got four questions I'd really appreciate some help with!

1) How do I time my twice weekly 250mg HCG shots with the twice weekly SubQ shots?

typical protocol for tiwce a week sq is, and you can pick any day to start,
hCG, Saturday morning
test, Sunday morning
AI, Monday morning

hCG, Tuesday evening
test, Wednesday evening
AI, Thursday evening

for me I pin in two places to avoid lumps, and I only do 60 mgs, you'll be doing 75 mgs so its probably best to pin half the does in two places.

2) I'm very lean, what are some of the options on pin sites (fatty locations). I have ideas, but am looking for more opinions. How am I sure I'm "in" fat, can I go 1/4" in, and not the full 1/2"? try going in angle, for your body type its best to di it in glutes or thighs.

3) If I were to restart an AI, let's say 1mg per week, how would I time two 1/2 mg doses? answered above.

4) How to recover Estradiol? After crashing it, i'm currently at 8 and would like to increase it. don't take it for at least two months then do BW.

Answers in bold ^^^

[vmons01]

Thanks Bass! You have a similar build as myself so it sounds like you just grab some skin maybe on the inner thigh and pin it at an angle just under the skin - maybe 1/4-1/2".

I appreciate the help, if I asked doc these questions he'd look at me like I had two heads.

[FRDave]

I got best results injecting in the upper most outer portion of the glutes. I just rotate between left and right glute every 3.5 days.

[HRTstudent]

I don't take hcg so take that for what it is, but I'd probably choose a convenient time or just middway between injections. I'm not sure there is much science to say one way is better than the other (relative to a shot of testosterone) when it comes to dosing for small injections.

fatty parts on guys are likely to be the belly, obliques and upper glute area.

if you're recovering your e2 I wouldn't even take any AI. makes no sense, especially when yours is very low. you may even notice less aromatization because you are taking small, albeit more, T shots.

most men dose an AI the day after a shot.

[keep fightin]

pretty lean myself, wish i had bass's wheels! im running 50 mgs T three times a week with 1/4 anastrozole pill next day with 150mg hcg, for me, needed to cut AI use in half after switching to SQ after IM. might experiment with the 29guage 5/16 pin, under 2 minute draw

[bass]

Thanks Bass! You have a similar build as myself so it sounds like you just grab some skin maybe on the inner thigh and pin it at an angle just under the skin - maybe 1/4-1/2".

I appreciate the help, if I asked doc these questions he'd look at me like I had two heads.

no not on the inner thigh, way too many veins and nerves, do it on the upper outer side. if you have enough love handles you can do it there as well.

[vmons01]

This is a really dumb followup question, but I HAVE to ask. If I'm injecting 145 mg/week, so 73 mg twice a week, that's a lot of oil with a single shot. Can I pull the needle out and relocate to another injection site with the SAME needle, or should I just load two syringes? I'm basically sharing a needle with myself. My gut tells me that it's ok, but just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

[bass]

yes you can, this is exactly what I do and I mentioned it in my first post.

[clarkster]

vmons- Why the switch from IM to SQ? I'll be curious to see how you respond to SQ after having a couple years of IM TRT under your belt.
Bass- I'm fascinated by your protocol of injecting SQ the way you do. SQ didn't seem to work for me at 60mg. 2X weekly, but I was pinning in a single location each time. My Dr just chalked it up to "my body might not respond to SQ TRT" It can't be that cut and dry though, right?

[vmons01]

I'm switching to SQ only because I like the idea of smaller dosages more frequently and the smaller needle is kinda nice.

I have a followup for bass though ... you indicate that you inject in two locations each time you pin. That doesn't make sense to me, and here's why. If you inject a single payload, that payload is absorbing at a specific rate. If you inject two payloads, each one of them are absorbing at that same specific rate, thus giving you twice the absorption rate. You'd therefore absorb all of the doubly injected oil in half the time that you'd absorb the singly injected oil.

[bass]

vmons- Why the switch from IM to SQ? I'll be curious to see how you respond to SQ after having a couple years of IM TRT under your belt.
Bass- I'm fascinated by your protocol of injecting SQ the way you do. SQ didn't seem to work for me at 60mg. 2X weekly, but I was pinning in a single location each time. My Dr just chalked it up to "my body might not respond to SQ TRT" It can't be that cut and dry though, right?

yea its weird how it works for some and not other.

I'm switching to SQ only because I like the idea of smaller dosages more frequently and the smaller needle is kinda nice.

I have a followup for bass though ... you indicate that you inject in two locations each time you pin. That doesn't make sense to me, and here's why. If you inject a single payload, that payload is absorbing at a specific rate. If you inject two payloads, each one of them are absorbing at that same specific rate, thus giving you twice the absorption rate. You'd therefore absorb all of the doubly injected oil in half the time that you'd absorb the singly injected oil.

yes Vmons, this is my theory as well but the half life still remains the same. here is my latest BW to prove it,

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...latest-bw.html

[vmons01]

Read your thread, I think I got it. Interesting. I'm going to play around with that a little. How did your E2 end up? Mine was 8 at my last test a week ago, need to get it up a little.

[bass]

Read your thread, I think I got it. Interesting. I'm going to play around with that a little. How did your E2 end up? Mine was 8 at my last test a week ago, need to get it up a little.

13 on scale of 3-70, its in the BW link posted above.

[clarkster]

"yea its weird how it works for some and not other."
That's the frustrating part for me. I really want SQ to work for me and vmons, your reason for going to SQ was the same reason I went to SQ. Now, maybe SQ *might* work for me if I upped my dose from 60mg. 2X weekly to 80mg. 2X weekly. Or maybe try to "Bass Protocol" of SQ injections. Right now, I'm on 60mg. IM 2X weekly and should have BW to compare it to SQ.
vmons, how soon before more BW? 2 months?