Mixture of 5 testosterone esters in hand!

[johnnymctrance]

I have some Sustanon 250mg/ml

Also test enanthate 2 x 10ml vials @ 250mg/ml

Also test prop 10 amps @100mg/amp

Not planning on cycling again for months (after christmas or later)

This is just a general question:

Could i do a frontload of something like sustanon @250mg EOD for the first 18days (as i have 9amps)

Then test e for like 9 weeks @500mg/week

Then instead of waiting two weeks to start pct i just pin the prop for two weeks and start pct 3 days after finishing the prop?(just so im not just waiting a wasted 2 weeks while my test levels drop)

This will be my second cycle - 1st was test e @500mg/week for 10 weeks
Age 26
Height 5'3
weight 150lb
bf - ~15%

been cutting for the past few months as put on little to much fat gain!

Thanks

[austinite]

Well that's not how frontloading works. You need high volumes on day 1 so that you end up metabolizing enough testosterone, earlier in the cycle, than you normally would. That early metabolism should equal to what you would metabolize when the gear would normally "kick in" without a front load.

So instead of a climbing wave, you'd have a single BOOST and then the wave levels out and carries on with your normal cycle. Running EOD for 18 days is over 20% of your cycle and defeats the purpose of early testosterone metabolism.

[johnnymctrance]

Well that's not how frontloading works. You need high volumes on day 1 so that you end up metabolizing enough testosterone, earlier in the cycle, than you normally would. That early metabolism should equal to what you would metabolize when the gear would normally "kick in" without a front load.

So instead of a climbing wave, you'd have a single BOOST and then the wave levels out and carries on with your normal cycle. Running EOD for 18 days is over 20% of your cycle and defeats the purpose of early testosterone metabolism.

Oh right, I thought by doing the sustanon at that amount EOD would make use of the prop ester within the blend no?

Would maybe a first pin of lets say 3ml of sustanon (750mg in total) and then continue with 250mg sustanon EOD from there on until it runs out? Then continue pinning the test e after that?

[austinite]

Yes, Sustanon should be used EOD, I have no idea why people constantly use it twice a week, might as well use E or C.

250 EOD is 875 per week. So no, 750 is not close. I'm sure you've seen that a lot, but most people fail at frontloading because they don't understand how we metabolize. So most frontloading threads are way off and useless.

If your normal dose of Test dose is 875 per week, you would need to inject between 2200 to 2500 mg on day 1 to metabolize as much as you would when the gear normally kicks in around week 6.

^^ This is why people avoid frontloading when they realize how much it takes on day 1.

[johnnymctrance]

Yes, Sustanon should be used EOD, I have no idea why people constantly use it twice a week, might as well use E or C.

250 EOD is 875 per week. So no, 750 is not close. I'm sure you've seen that a lot, but most people fail at frontloading because they don't understand how we metabolize. So most frontloading threads are way off and useless.

If your normal dose of Test dose is 875 per week, you would need to inject between 2200 to 2500 mg on day 1 to metabolize as much as you would when the gear normally kicks in around week 6.

^^ This is why people avoid frontloading when they realize how much it takes on day 1.

Wooh that is alot of test! So thats like 4.5-5ml of sustanon if my maths are correct!

So would you consider it dangerous to pin that much test in one go?

Would you glute take 4.5-5ml in one go?

[austinite]

Not dangerous if you observe blood work frequently. I hate frontloading.

If you're pinning EOD, might as well use short esters only. It'll kick in sooner and you won't need a front load.

[johnnymctrance]

Not dangerous if you observe blood work frequently. I hate frontloading.

If you're pinning EOD, might as well use short esters only. It'll kick in sooner and you won't need a front load.

I would be a little apprehensive about pinning that much!

I see where your coming from but what i have is what i mentioned above, for future cycles i will most likely use prop to be honest! Its just this time i got stuck with sust, test e and prop.

Should i just go with the sust EOD then instead? Im very suprised about the amount needed for a frontload...

Are your figures needed for a proper frontload from personal experience? if you dont mind me asking?

[austinite]

Personal experience and understanding metabolism. But experience is not needed. Science and metabolism tells all.

I'd stop overthinking this and just run your gear EOD throughout. 875mg/per week is a lot though.

[johnnymctrance]

Personal experience and understanding metabolism. But experience is not needed. Science and metabolism tells all.

I'd stop overthinking this and just run your gear EOD throughout. 875mg/per week is a lot though.

Ok thanks for clarifying this for me!

Have you any thoughts about switching from the suatanon to the test enanthate and then on to the prop?

Does that all seem ok with the mixing of the esters?

[austinite]

Ok thanks for clarifying this for me!

Have you any thoughts about switching from the suatanon to the test enanthate and then on to the prop?

Does that all seem ok with the mixing of the esters?

The only reason to finish with prop would be to start your PCT sooner. Otherwise I don't see the point. Again overthinking. Just run a cycle of whatever you have and inject as frequently as desirable while accommodating the shortest ester.

Does what all seem OK?

[johnnymctrance]

The only reason to finish with prop would be to start your PCT sooner. Otherwise I don't see the point. Again overthinking. Just run a cycle of whatever you have and inject as frequently as desirable while accommodating the shortest ester.

Does what all seem OK?

Well i was thinking - doing the prop for the last 2 weeks while waiting for the enanthate ester to run out would give me 2 weeks extra on cycle while not actually lengthening the overall cycle length per se

[austinite]

I don't get it. But finishing with prop is fine. Regardless of cycle length.

Good luck man. Enjoy.

[johnnymctrance]

I don't get it. But finishing with prop is fine. Regardless of cycle length.

Good luck man. Enjoy.

Thanks for all the advice man, appreciate it!