Test at 500mg a week and tren a started at 350mg a week. After about 4 weeks of nothing I increased to 525mg a week. After a couple weeks at that dose and still not one single side effect or gain I'm done with it. I know my body well enough at this point. I'm not seeing anything different than my typical test cycle. Was supposed to be a cut. Finally increased calories back to maintenance to see this strength gain everyone talks about. Nothing. Just some effect from the test that's all. I got some var from this source a while back and that stuff was incredible. Oh well. Hoping to try one other source that looks promising. If that doesn't work then back to natty for me.