Keep side down during second cycle

[joshv]

whats up everyone???
Im looking for some advice as far as what i can use for my 2nd cycle to keep the sides down... My first cycle was 12week run of Test-E at 500mg/week for the first 5 weeks then 750mg weeks 6 thru 9 then back to 500mg week. I noticed i was getting really oily (of course common) but i was breaking out really bad on my chest neck and face. After my PCT (which was a rip-off meaning my source gave me some gear that was not legit) i took a pill called solodyn for acne. Im just trying to see what i can use for my 2nd cycle incase it becomes an issue again.

2nd cycle :
12weeks of sustanon300 at 500mg/week with 30mg of D-bol to kick start it

or

sustanon 300 at 500mg/week with 200mg of deca for the first 10weeks then 300mg of sustanon for the remaining two weeks with 50mg of Anadrol the first 4weeks

Also, im open to any suggestions for my second cycle..

[Lunk1]

Stop tapering up and down with your doses. Often times acne is brought on by changes in hormone levels. Stay consistent and maintain steady levels

[gearbox]

Wwy to short of a time to run deca. I would run accutane during cycle. Thats the sure best way to rid the acne.

[gearbox]

Lunk is right on taper up and down. To hard to control e2 this way

[joshv]

Thanks for all the info i knew this was the place to get the best info needed .... Thanks again and i will stay steady with my mg/week. I just wanted to see if it would change anything.

[Back In Black]

Are your profile stats correct?

5'10
154lbs
16% bodyfat

[joshv]

yes sir they are..... i have a friend thats a personal trainer and he helps me out alot so im trying to get my bf down... i dont have a lot of weight but ive ate like a horse and worked out consistantly but never could get weight to stay .... runs in my family ... n e ways prior to taking roids i use to weight 129lbs and thats being nice to myself .... i worked out and ate all day like 8 meals a day but nothing but 5lbs in 8 months i even had a personal trainer so i did a cycle and have made some great gains about 12lbs i kept on and put on a little extra as i havent been in the gym (i travel for work) at the time i was a solid 147lbs and 12%BF ....

[Back In Black]

Mate, no offence, but if you can't gain wait and make it stick then your diet needs work, you don't need AAS. No amount of AAS will make up for a poor diet.

Are you cutting or bulking? Please post up your diet including calories and macro's.

[joshv]

im at 3500 to 4000 calories and no offense taken, but its like i eat then no lie sh**. Gaining weight is not as easy as you make it seem in your reply i can out eat most of the guys i know but just because im eating, eating and more eating i cant put on weight. I have a very and do mean VERY high Metabolism so its not easy. All my family is skinny all my 5 bros and 3 sis. So no ofense but just cause you eat doesnt mean your gonna pack pounds like the next guy everyone is different. Oh yea the whole "poor diet" thing not even sure where that came from never said i had a problem with my diet so yeah...sometimes it takes reading to understand

[largerthannormal]

Thread like these just get to me. words like

Taken roids
eat like a horse 3500-4000 cals a day and i weight 150lbs
my source was bunk but i took it without knowing.

bro 3500-4000 cals youd be putting on sloppy 5lbs if not more a week, since your maintenance is under 2000 cals.

there is no way you are eating what you think you are. Unless you run 20-25 miles a day?

No offense bro but people are not so much different than you think , yes metabolism rates change and where and how people store energy is different but not to such a large degree.

post me your diet. i mean no offense but people here have been doing this for years with millions of guys who claim the same thing daily.

sorry if we get off on the wrong foot , if you want help reply with your diet written out and we will respond.. other than that you ll just end up getting upset and leaving because you think we are full of bs.. because you have a high metabolism

up to you brotha

Also no AI while on cycle will be a big contributor to your sides..

[joshv]

like I said I’m here to learn and hear what other have to say my case in point you and other guys that have replied.... but eating like a horse yes I do...I eat 8 meals a day with mainly chicken/ beef / and fish no sup. Meals like shakes. I shit like 5 times a day and I work in a field where I literally walk and climb 20+ miles a day (Chemical plant as an inspector)...When I do drink protein shakes it’s with whole milk (I wanted to get fat so I could work it into muscle but was told not such a good ideal but if you like here’s my daily meal plan
Meal 1- chicken 8oz/ 1 cup of rice and 1 cup of veggies (most of the time mixed)
Meal 2 – different meat / 1 cup of rice and 1 cup of raw oats (well I say raw but I put in the mw for like 15 sec.)
Time but not always exact (I just can’t sit on my ass all the time eating)
6am/ 8am/ 11am (small meal like 1 cup of yogurt with nuts and 1 cup cottage cheese)/ 1230pm / 2pm/ 530pm/ 8pm and again at 10(small meal) then I go to sleep.
So on and so on with meals being about the same (only time I drink a shake is when I leave the gym and I use water blended with raw oats and heavy whipping cream) but since I have not made it to the gym because ive had to travel for the past coulpe of months and been living in hotels I hadn’t really worked out and did gain a little weight up from 147lbs to 154lbs.
Plus threads like this bother you then why bother?? (kinda not a good thing to say then go on to say you can offer help-just saying) Get off on the wrong foot … no I don’t think we did just always up for hearing someone else reply but in all honesty if I wanted help with my diet my guess would to probably post in another thread not ask in the same thread. So really I got my answer with the first few replys…but thanks again for your reply.

[joshv]

oh let me clear up one thing when i said "cant keep weight to stay" i really meant "cant put on weigth fast". so as far as me getting weight and keeping it on i can

[joshv]

oh and i got my meal plan based on what ive read over and over from differnt sites mainly bodybuilding.com

[JAB1]

FYI your attitude sucks and you will not suceed if you keep believing your own b*#lsh*t. Just calling it how it is. Your diet is not on point. You are not eating as much as you think. You are not nearly consistant enough which means even if your diet is on point 5 days a week, thats not good enough. Its not your metabolism, its your habits that are holding you back. Your comment that you wanted to get fat and work it into fat shows how very little you know. You would be best advised to graciously accept the advice largerthannormal was offering, if you havent already blown it........

[joshv]

I’m not new to the site but just a new member. I've read over and over forums from here and other sites. Probably even read them upside down but I’m by far not as experienced as most of the guys here but also read where is says do your research before just jumping in and indeed I did but only saying didn’t post for a meal plan bro just advice on an AI for my acne I was getting and any suggestions for my 2nd cycle... as far as my attitude I wasn’t giving anything but my opinion on how I looked at it but as like myself you’re entitled to your own opinion too

[joshv]

Im not here to get off on the wrong foot, have a bad attitude or have a bad rep just looking for advice ... just didnt ask for that advice at this moment only for AI advice and 2nd cycle advice

[JAB1]

I’m not new to the site but just a new member. I've read over and over forums from here and other sites. Probably even read them upside down but I’m by far not as experienced as most of the guys here but also read where is says do your research before just jumping in and indeed I did but only saying didn’t post for a meal plan bro just advice on an AI for my acne I was getting and any suggestions for my 2nd cycle... as far as my attitude I wasn’t giving anything but my opinion on how I looked at it but as like myself you’re entitled to your own opinion too

Its good you are doing research and asking questions prior to jumping on cycle. Props for that. What Im saying is even though you didnt ask for diet advice, based on your post a knowlegeable member recognized you need some help with your diet, even if you dont realize it, and offered you some help....

[joshv]

yea i understand and totally gonna fix that diet part but in my eyes i thought i had a good diet going. just thought me not going to the gym part was bad being im living in hotels at the moment for my job and most of the jobs are in the boondock. to get a month membership to a gym is usually 40 to 60$ a month and ends up im in one place for 2-3 weeks at a time so paying that much for a membership to me is steep. i have a good job and make great money but by far am i rich.

[JAB1]

yea i understand and totally gonna fix that diet part but in my eyes i thought i had a good diet going. just thought me not going to the gym part was bad being im living in hotels at the moment for my job and most of the jobs are in the boondock. to get a month membership to a gym is usually 40 to 60$ a month and ends up im in one place for 2-3 weeks at a time so paying that much for a membership to me is steep. i have a good job and make great money but by far am i rich.

Cool man. Im sure its tough traveling and keeping things going. You are on the right track, keep at it, keep asking questions and have an open mind to responses and you will get there. Good luck

[joshv]

Thanks bro didn’t try to give an attitude ... so to all you greatly experienced men who replied thanks for the info … wasn’t trying to be a dick

[MajorPectorial]

The way to look at it (sry to nose in on the diet thing).
If u gained faster NOT working out I'd put it down to simple.calories. up ur calories to what u burn off down the gym. N u know ur in a plus. Eating a lot is hard. Damn hard. Just thank ur stars ur not 17 stone 7 n still needing to gain;-) gl

[Back In Black]

Josh, if you are truly eating 4000cals and not gaining weight then you need to eat more. High metabolism or not it really is that simple. ?ou may not enjoy eating that much food but lots of us feel like we are stuffing our faces to get where we want. Sometimes this lifestyle can be a royal pain in the ass.

There are ways around all this and eating 'clean' isn't the only (or best) way. There is nothing wrong with just hitting your macro's. drink milk, eat cereal, eat popcorn, just hit your macros's and keep your refined sugars to a relative minimum.

The foods you listed don't look like they add up to what you think. Try calculating a new plan for bulking and place your proteins at about 200g, your fats at about 70g and really whack in those carbs, start about 450-500g and see what results you get.

Remember, muscle is slow to build. Gain weight too fast and a fair % of that will be fat. Gain slow, and increase cal appropriately, and your gains should be of a higher quality. Patience is key here josh, it really is.

[largerthannormal]

like I said I'm here to learn and hear what other have to say my case in point you and other guys that have replied.... but eating like a horse yes I do...I eat 8 meals a day with mainly chicken/ beef / and fish no sup. Meals like shakes. I shit like 5 times a day and I work in a field where I literally walk and climb 20+ miles a day (Chemical plant as an inspector)...When I do drink protein shakes it's with whole milk (I wanted to get fat so I could work it into muscle but was told not such a good ideal but if you like here's my daily meal plan
Meal 1- chicken 8oz/ 1 cup of rice and 1 cup of veggies (most of the time mixed)
Meal 2 - different meat / 1 cup of rice and 1 cup of raw oats (well I say raw but I put in the mw for like 15 sec.)
Time but not always exact (I just can't sit on my ass all the time eating)
6am/ 8am/ 11am (small meal like 1 cup of yogurt with nuts and 1 cup cottage cheese)/ 1230pm / 2pm/ 530pm/ 8pm and again at 10(small meal) then I go to sleep.
So on and so on with meals being about the same (only time I drink a shake is when I leave the gym and I use water blended with raw oats and heavy whipping cream) but since I have not made it to the gym because ive had to travel for the past coulpe of months and been living in hotels I hadn't really worked out and did gain a little weight up from 147lbs to 154lbs.
Plus threads like this bother you then why bother?? (kinda not a good thing to say then go on to say you can offer help-just saying) Get off on the wrong foot ... no I don't think we did just always up for hearing someone else reply but in all honesty if I wanted help with my diet my guess would to probably post in another thread not ask in the same thread. So really I got my answer with the first few replys...but thanks again for your reply.

No problem bro. Good luck

Also BIB is correct that does not add to 4000 cals

Another great point is he makes is even if you are hitting those cals it is as simple as take in more than you expend, I am not here to argue if you are or are not I simply am making a suggestion to better your results

If your only question is to avoid sides then yes keep stable serum levels with what you inject and in combination with your AI

Hope that helps

[largerthannormal]

yes sir they are..... i have a friend thats a personal trainer and he helps me out alot so im trying to get my bf down... i dont have a lot of weight but ive ate like a horse and worked out consistantly but never could get weight to stay .... runs in my family ... n e ways prior to taking roids i use to weight 129lbs and thats being nice to myself .... i worked out and ate all day like 8 meals a day but nothing but 5lbs in 8 months i even had a personal trainer so i did a cycle and have made some great gains about 12lbs i kept on and put on a little extra as i havent been in the gym (i travel for work) at the time i was a solid 147lbs and 12%BF ....

This was the post I figure you could use help on your diet for the 5lbs comment. That's why I went into food and not your direct question of E2 sides. No worries bro.

[joshv]

again thanks for the info and i didnt want to make it seem as if i was trying to argue yea me eating like i am makes me kinda sick like i want to puke and i always feel full but ill keep on packing it down and i'll take the advice and add more to my intake... i really do want to thank you guys for the info

[joshv]

Hey guys just a quick update (I also measure my food raw with a food scale that tells everything from cal. To fat)
Meal 1:
6 multivitamins / ½ scoop recon with 6oz of water
4 whole eggs
1 wheat toast with 2 tbspn of peanut butter or ½ cup of oats
1 cup of fruit

Meal 2:
Shake with 2oz of heavy whipping cream and 10oz of water
4oz of chicken 1 wheat bread and ½ of avocado

Meal 3:
8oz of 90% ground beef 10% fat with 1 cup of brown rice mixed with my homemade sauce
1 bottle of water

Meal 4:
Shake with 2oz of heavy whipping cream and 10oz of water
4oz of chicken 1 wheat bread and ½ of avocado

Meal 5:
8 oz of fish
2 cups of brown rice
2 cups of veggies
1 bottle of watter

Meal 6:
Shake with 2oz of heavy whipping cream and 10oz of water

It all totaled around 3500 to 4100 cals what do you guys think??
Also im going to up my food intake after the first couple of weeks just want to see how my body takes all this

[Back In Black]

What are the macro's? Particularly fat macro?

[joshv]

i dont recall but i will redo my entire diet today and post but man i tried it out this week and i feel full even when i eat again

[joshv]

Hey Back i think its somewhere in this ballpark i asked my wife to do it for me as i have been busy at work i've been using that meal plan and feel sick to my stomach like im eating too much

Breakfast
22.5g Fat
Meal 2
2.3g Fat
Meal 3
11.1g Fat
Meal 4
9.2g Fat
Meal 5
19.8g Fat
Meal 6
24.9g Fat
Vegetables
1.1g Fat

[Back In Black]

Hey Back i think its somewhere in this ballpark i asked my wife to do it for me as i have been busy at work i've been using that meal plan and feel sick to my stomach like im eating too much

Breakfast
22.5g Fat
Meal 2
2.3g Fat
Meal 3
11.1g Fat
Meal 4
9.2g Fat
Meal 5
19.8g Fat
Meal 6
24.9g Fat
Vegetables
1.1g Fat

I think you need to work it out yourself. Meal 1 has 24g just from your eggs.

Meal 2 is woefully miscalculated. Whipping cream and chicken breast will give way more than 2.3g fat. Maybe the decimal point is in the wrong place?

I haven't really got any further than that. But meal 3 is likely more than double of that quoted. Meal 4 is probably triple than what is said. Meal 5 is probably ALOT LESS and meal 6, who knows?

[joshv]

lol thanks bro i will as soon as i get off this TA got another 4 weeks till im done then back to the 4-10 schedule .