Steroids to treat depression?

[LordSyke]

Okay I've been depressed since like age 20. as a teen I was highly bi polar then I mellowed out and I've been like down, easily bored, unable to feel joy when something good happens to me ect. I've noticed testosterone boosters really seem to help however I don't like the idea of taking two huge pills every single day for a month, then discontinuing for a month. would it be possible to get steroids and take them in low doses only like once or twice a week and only have to stop them for a few weeks at a time? I just want enough to effect my mood. I'm not looking to cheat to get a physic I want or dose to get really huge. I just want to feel how I used to feel. So should I consume low doses or steroids instead of a testosterone booster? and could I cycle it close to how I have in mind? or just look for a good quality testosterone booster that gives the power at only one pill instead of two big ones and accept I need to take a large break from it?

[LordSyke]

yes I've talked to my doctor. he said those methods aren't standard practices.

[Allaaro]

Go see a doctor and check your test levels...whatever you do, stay away from AAS and test booster. Since you sound like you have no idea what you are doing.

[LordSyke]

He said all my sex hormones are normal.

[austinite]

Welcome,

Sorry to hear about your depression. Lot's of folks don't really understand depression and disregard people who complain of it. Anyway, there's really no sense in using anything if you haven't had your testosterone levels checked. That would be the first thing to do. You're very very young, at 23 years old, your test level should be at optimum levels.

Have you been treated with any anti-depressants?

[LordSyke]

yes. I'm on prosak. upping the dose did nothing. I tried one other one I forgot it's name, it worked for like a week then stopped. I tried another one recently it kinda worked, stupid doctors cut me from it for a month, I was severely anxious without it, then I got it back and kept waking up in an extremely irritable and pissed off mood
so they said I need to stop taking that one immediately. my sex hormones are all healthy. I got good results for the testosterone boosters it seemed. but I don't like having to take two big pills every single day and then have to break for a month.

[austinite]

yes. I'm on prosak. upping the dose did nothing. I tried one other one I forgot it's name, it worked for like a week then stopped. I tried another one recently it kinda worked, stupid doctors cut me from it for a month, I was severely anxious without it, then I got it back and kept waking up in an extremely irritable and pissed off mood
so they said I need to stop taking that one immediately. my sex hormones are all healthy. I got good results for the testosterone boosters it seemed. but I don't like having to take two big pills every single day and then have to break for a month.

Contact your doctors office and have him send you all of your results. (they cannot refuse, it's your right), then post the results here. I want to see these "normal" results. I doubt all the important stuff was tested.

2 big pills are worse than injecting twice weekly? I'm kind of mind boggled here... Youre too young anyway, you could cause even more damage with steroids. Forget steroids all together.

[LordSyke]

for me yes. I'm a crazy ****er. I was more looking to maybe cut an oral steroid in half unless it's a time release. but I don't even blink when I get a needle in me. It's possible they missed something I'll have to call tomorrow and I'd rather just pm you then restart this thread. and I had that blood test slightly over a year ago btw. and I'm actually doing a bit better than I was. I used to sleep 12 hours then nap for 3 hours during the day, I'd crash either after waking up or within 4 or 5 hours. getting off this one med and a month trail with a testosterone booster seemed to fix that daytime napping for me. It was an anxiety med I was on. The only m3ds I take are an anti psychotic and an anti depressant.

[LordSyke]

evotest says to take two daily.

[austinite]

I hate PM more than anything. Sorry. Just update this thread, I'll attend to it.

[LordSyke]

Yeah and I don't think this form will let me anyway cause I'm new. and yeah Evotest says to take two pills daily.

[austinite]

Comes in powder form you know. This whole thing is just too mind boggling to me. DAA is the only ingredient in that crap that will make a difference. Just bring your blood work.

[LordSyke]

I don't get why it's mind boggling. think I can leave an overnight message or do I have to wait until the morning to call them?

[Allaaro]

Sounds like you have an issue with your meds....since if you felt better on a test booster(that barely would boost test levels for anyone to notice) while you stopped your other medication, the problem probably lies there. Yet depression/psychotic meds, I can see yourself thinking that one thing works...while its all placebo...don't need any medication actually for that, as it's how most of the supplement industry is built on.

But if you are depression/psychotic/whatever, going onto AAS isn't the solution unless you have going at it with a microscope....with doctor care. Since AAS could easily make all your problems way worse. So talk to some different doctors, get some opinions. But make sure you are truthful on meds being used since you don't want to make a cocktail of drugs you'd regret.

[LordSyke]

I guess if I'm not on psyche m3ds I get a mood once every few months where I want to kill people for real and I don't know if I truely want too but I end up harrassing people viciously who are rl enemys on facebook. and I'm like freaking out also and I usually end up having to check into a mental hospital to calm down. the reason I don't just do it is cause IDK if that's what I really want. it's possible stress just builds up and I blow up for a period. Maybe I need a medication for stress instead of for violence and aggression? but anyways yeah I'll get that blood work and type it out here. and I was taking the test booster for nearly a week and noticed results right away before discontinuing the anxiety m3d.

[Allaaro]

I think test boosters are poison....anyone is better off using AAS than some test booster with some weird shit it in. At least you "should" know that test your getting...is test.

Watch dexter...target the bad people and no problems if they go away from me

Seriously though....don't start AAS if you're having mental issues. AAS is like rocket fuel to most problems. Now if you are test levels low, then that fuel is good....but still nobody here can tell you how AAS will react with psychotic/depression meds, since we dont know....hell I think most doc's don't know. So talk to your doc...or find another one, who will go with a trial based test replacement if you qualify off any meds with major check ups...I'd even have an buddy to call ever hour since you are not just dealing with yourself here if your in public...other people can get hurt.

Try keep positive outlook though, as I know it can be hard....my teenage years ****ing sucked until I figured out my problems. But life is better now, but it takes awhile and surround yourself with people who think positive and get rid of all the negative assholes(dont kill em tho...).

[Novice489]

Hey LoardSyke sounds like you have a lot going on. Ordinarily I wouldn't discuss this on a public forum however I have no way to contact you privately and I'm a little worried about your safety. Have you ever been formally diagnosed with Bipolar 1 Disorder? What your describing fits the criteria very well. What you've described is fluctuating between depression (extreme lack of energy, hypersomnia or sleeping too much) and Mania (high energy or agitation, irritability, feelings of freaking out). Have you ever been prescribed Lithium or any other mood stabilizing drug? If your formally diagnosed these medications can help level you out, when you feel like this (manic) it won't be as intense, your thoughts wont feel out of control, and when your down (depressed) you won't sink as low. I've posted the diagnostic criteria for Manic Episode on below. Let me know if you have any questions.

If you feel that my advice is unwanted for any reason please let me know and I will remove this post ASAP.

Manic episodes are characterized by:
A. A distinct period of abnormally and persistently elevated, expansive, or irritable mood, lasting at least 1 week (or any duration if hospitalization is necessary)
B. During the period of mood disturbance, three (or more) of the following symptoms have persisted (4 if the mood is only irritable) and have been present to a significant degree:
(1) increased self-esteem or grandiosity
(2) decreased need for sleep (e.g., feels rested after only 3 hours of sleep)
(3) more talkative than usual or pressure to keep talking
(4) flight of ideas or subjective experience that thoughts are racing
(5) distractibility (i.e., attention too easily drawn to unimportant or irrelevant external stimuli)
(6) increase in goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually) or psychomotor agitation
(7) excessive involvement in pleasurable activities that have a high potential for painful consequences (e.g., engaging in unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions, or foolish business investments)" (APA, 2000, p. 362).

[GlockBAK8811]

Something to look at is any OTHER (Illegal) substance use/abuse. I am a former addict and what you describe sounds very familar to me. If thats the case you really should check into that. Looking for a solution in substances may not be the answer. Take it from someone who knows. Maybe this is not the case for you but if it is think about getting some help.

[austinite]

^ Edit your past immediately please. There is no discussion of those drugs. Please read the rules.

[GlockBAK8811]

Gotcha. My bad.

[Lunk1]

^ Edit your past immediately please. There is no discussion of those drugs. Please read the rules.

I wish I could edit my PAST lol

[GlockBAK8811]

I second that.

[spiralkut]

All i read was the heading, and apart from rec drugs and alcohol AAS might possible be the worst thing you could take. The amount of people that get depression which can lead to suicide from steroids is a lot higher then you could ever imagine.

[John Andrew]

Mate, I am an alcoholic, I turned to the gym to help recover. That was 34 years ago. I have been treated for depression and I know the treatment makes me suicidal. I found a top psychiatrist in Australia who actually asked me yo address a meeting of graduates about the dangers of Prozak and similar anti depressants.

For some of us they are deadly. I found training alone got me through 26 years and I have used steroids 8 years now. They do not affect my moods but I must train. Exercise saved my life, I hope you can use it to benefit you. Please look for some professional help. Too often anger leads to violence and prison. A mental condition could be affected by the use of steroids so I would be careful.

Please look at the benefits of exercise and meditation. Be careful with your life!

I wish you only good luck and hope you find your solution. Kindest regards, John

[LordSyke]

Ok I called and asked for the Blood work earlier today. it should arrive sometime next week. I used to be wicked Bi Polar as a teen up until age 20. it just went away on it's own. I had it, I started taken Risperdome then I had it just alittle bit. then I year later I started feeling like crap and have ever since this going on 2 and a half years now. I very rarely get manic and if I do it's in the evening after drinking caffeine but caffeine really makes me manic just once in awhile. and I only get the actual horny feeling once or twice a week. I can be around hott girls, though they're not interested in me and get no feelings in the pants. I'll admire them but no real thoughts about sex. Maybe I do have that Bipolar 1 disorder and I'm going through a long cycle of depression? and maybe in like a year or two I'll be a manic mess instead?

Oh and yes I see a doctor. they tell me it's because I have a hard life and don't get out in the world that I feel like this.

[Ashop]

Okay I've been depressed since like age 20. as a teen I was highly bi polar then I mellowed out and I've been like down, easily bored, unable to feel joy when something good happens to me ect. I've noticed testosterone boosters really seem to help however I don't like the idea of taking two huge pills every single day for a month, then discontinuing for a month. would it be possible to get steroids and take them in low doses only like once or twice a week and only have to stop them for a few weeks at a time? I just want enough to effect my mood. I'm not looking to cheat to get a physic I want or dose to get really huge. I just want to feel how I used to feel. So should I consume low doses or steroids instead of a testosterone booster? and could I cycle it close to how I have in mind? or just look for a good quality testosterone booster that gives the power at only one pill instead of two big ones and accept I need to take a large break from it?

Have you ever had lab work done to check your natural hormone levels?

[LordSyke]

yes and they said they where all normal though it's possible they missed something.

[Novice489]

Ok I called and asked for the Blood work earlier today. it should arrive sometime next week. I used to be wicked Bi Polar as a teen up until age 20. it just went away on it's own. I had it, I started taken Risperdome then I had it just alittle bit. then I year later I started feeling like crap and have ever since this going on 2 and a half years now. I very rarely get manic and if I do it's in the evening after drinking caffeine but caffeine really makes me manic just once in awhile. and I only get the actual horny feeling once or twice a week. I can be around hott girls, though they're not interested in me and get no feelings in the pants. I'll admire them but no real thoughts about sex. Maybe I do have that Bipolar 1 disorder and I'm going through a long cycle of depression? and maybe in like a year or two I'll be a manic mess instead?

Oh and yes I see a doctor. they tell me it's because I have a hard life and don't get out in the world that I feel like this.

Glad to hear you haven't had a full blown manic episode in a while. Bipolar I is a life long neurological condition with a strong genetic component. It may however go into full remission (i.e you won't have any symptoms for a while). If your initial diagnosis was correct and there are no other substances involved, it is likely that what your currently experiencing is somehow related your Bipolar diagnosis. That being said understanding your hormones and how they can effect your mental well being is also very important.

[LordSyke]

I got the results

L testosterone 254

Sex Binding Glob 13

Testosterone free 66

testosterone % free 2.6

Free T4 0.94

TSH3G 1.06

the rest is just vitamins and stuff like AST WBC and MPV.

Yeah you're right looks like they only tested my testosterone and vitamin levels.

they didn't take my claim seriously that I may be over or underproducing something else like male estrogen.

or I worded it wrong over the phone and they didn't send the complete blood work.

[LordSyke]

I bumped again as it appears to be dieing.

[Novice489]

Something seems off with your numbers. Did you enter them right? If your free test is 66 and that accounts for 2.6% of your testosterone your total should be 2538 not 254. In which case both your Test and Free Test are above normal levels. Did you do your labs while on a pro hormone?

[StinkyFinga]

My guess is he meant 6.6

[Novice489]

My guess is he meant 6.6

That would make more sense.

[ghost14]

I was diagnosed bipolar in my early twenties. Although the psych doctor had some doubts, and checked my thyroid many times, but result were misinterpretated. I have found a good endocrinologist, diagnosed as sub clinical hypothyroidism and treated daily with T4 since then. No more depression, nor bipolar behavior, no more antidepressants nor mood suppressants.

If something like test booster helped you, I would dig deeper into this direction, maybe there is something about this. And if one doc says there is not anything, find another one and another one.

[LordSyke]

No it really says 66. it says the reference range is 47 to 244

and I don't recall taking the test boosters during this? or maybe I just started them at got the blood work first week taking them. though I'm sure I didn't.

[LordSyke]

double post crap/