2nd cycle sanity check

[aKF0p9oe]

Age: 30
Weight: 167lbs
Height: 6'
Body type: Ecto
Training experience: 4yrs
AAS experience: 1 10wk cycle Test E, Deca, DBol


I've been reading and putting together a 12wk cycle for my second go around, and here's what I've come up with. I thought I'd sanity check things with you all before I order anything.



My last cycle went pretty well, but I think that I was running too much arimidex (.5mg ED), so I scaled that back a touch this time around. There were a few other rookie mistakes but nothing dangerous. I also didn't pay nearly enough attention to nutrition, but I've learned my lesson(s). Working on a detailed meal plan now.

Any an all thoughts and suggestions are welcome. Thanks!

[Badgers]

Any reason your skipping Clomid? I also think it´s way to many compounds for a 2nd cycle. Straigth up test would be more then enough, diet and rest is where it´s at. Thats gonna give you way more! You also need to look into liver protection, Austinite have a good article covering that.

Other then that it looks good, do blood work before you start ofc. it´s a good idea to monitor blood pressure during your cycle aswell.

[AlphaMike]

One or two compounds would be enough for a second cycle. Why aren't you taking clomid during PCT? You're incredibly skinny to have already cycled before, what were your stats before 1st cycle and what did you run?

[MartyMcFly]

Age: 30
Weight: 167lbs
Height: 6'
Body type: Ecto
Training experience: 4yrs
AAS experience: 1 10wk cycle Test E, Deca, DBol


I've been reading and putting together a 12wk cycle for my second go around, and here's what I've come up with. I thought I'd sanity check things with you all before I order anything.



My last cycle went pretty well, but I think that I was running too much arimidex (.5mg ED), so I scaled that back a touch this time around. There were a few other rookie mistakes but nothing dangerous. I also didn't pay nearly enough attention to nutrition, but I've learned my lesson(s). Working on a detailed meal plan now.

Any an all thoughts and suggestions are welcome. Thanks!

I would work real hard on the nutrition, I'm 5'8" and 165 and I think I'm tiny. At 6ft, that would be real small even if you have seriously low bodyfat. What did you weigh before your first cycle?

[aKF0p9oe]

I'll look into the Clomid. I really didn't think I needed it in addition to the Nolva, but I'll do some more reading on it.

My first cycle was a well-intentioned failure. While I didn't go into it completely blind, there was a lot that I had yet to learn. I started at 160lbs I believe, hit 178lbs at around 7-8wks and plateaued. Strength went way up, around 50-80% depending on the exercise. I've kept those strength gains but am sorry and sad to honestly admit that I botched the PCT by simply continuing Arimidex for about 10 days off and on before haphazardly starting a Nolva regimen of 10mg/day for around 3wks. Even missed a few doses. I dunno WTF I was thinking with that dose, except that it was above and beyond what was called for in the pre-designed stack I was following (from a well known source), so I figured it must be better than nothing. Came to realize later the 40/40/20/20 standard and face-palmed..

I had gotten a cold bug that held on for about 3 weeks during the cycle, which wrecked my appetite towards the end. That, along with terrible nutrition (I seriously forget to eat) and the borked PCT erased 10lbs of gains in no time post cycle. Not only that, but I must have had low test for some time afterwards, because I really felt weak and small and even emotional for several weeks after my cycle.

It wasn't all for naught, though. I did keep 7lbs of honest to god lean mass, gained a lot of strength, and learned that the details and consistency are at least as important as the hormones themselves. And that force-feeding is going to be necessary in my case.

To that end, I plan on setting up a 3500 calorie meal plan (the most I can realistically expect myself to eat consistently without resorting to complete garbage foods), and sticking to it for at least 2 weeks before any pinning to ingrain some good eating habits.

Test/Deca/DBol was surely overly-ambitious for a first cycle, but I really had no noticeable sides except for sensitive nipples from time to time, along with some hair-thinning (a DBol signature I've come to learn). I may also run finasteride this time if I can get a legit script. Since the cycle was well-tolerated by my body last time, I wanted to keep it similar but with an Anadrol kickstart instead and more deca (was only running 250mg/wk last time, and for only 10wks = probably useless).

Thank you all for the replies

Edit to add: My goal, at least for now and the near future, is a strong and lean 185lbs, which I don't think is unreasonable. We'll see after reaching that goal and holding it for a good 6 months whether or not stretching for 200lbs afterwards is feasible for someone who can go 6hrs without feeling hungry.

[bass]

Any reason your skipping Clomid? I also think it´s way to many compounds for a 2nd cycle. Straigth up test would be more then enough, diet and rest is where it´s at. Thats gonna give you way more! You also need to look into liver protection, Austinite have a good article covering that.

Other then that it looks good, do blood work before you start ofc. it´s a good idea to monitor blood pressure during your cycle aswell.

^^^ This, and get Clomid.

[fit2bOld]

A cycle won't do a thing till you fix your diet, Mc Fly hit it on the head. All the juice in the world won't do crap if your not eating properly.

[aKF0p9oe]

Thank you all. I've really taken the nutrition advice to heart and will implement a solid meal plan very shortly. I won't repeat that mistake again, I can assure you.

I went ahead and deleted the Deca from the plan in the interest of simplicity, as suggested.

I front-loaded the dosage for the Test E. Please check that the dosages make sense. I can't find a half-life calculator anywhere since roidcalc.com is down.

Also, I added Clomid to the plan and changed the Nolva schedule to 40/20/20/20. The revised cycle plan is below for your review.



Looking a little better?

[Back In Black]

Seriously you need to learn to eat before you consider running a cycle. And you need to do a lot more research on AAS and ancillary use anyway. Have you even read any of our stickies?

6 foot and 167lbs after 1 cycle already? Please forget your plan and learn to eat. Visit our nutrition forum.

[Professor81]

If I was in your shoes, I would do EQ and Test E or C. The EQ is going to really boost your appetite at week4. Since eating is an issue, front load the EQ for 2 Weeks before you start your test. This allows the EQ to start entering your system when you start your test. Run your test 2 weeks past your EQ, HCG post cycle and/or proviron. You will be hungry as hell, develop no sides, and retain the majority of your gains.

[Back In Black]

If I was in your shoes, I would do EQ and Test E or C. The EQ is going to really boost your appetite at week4. Since eating is an issue, front load the EQ for 2 Weeks before you start your test. This allows the EQ to start entering your system when you start your test. Run your test 2 weeks past your EQ, HCG post cycle and/or proviron. You will be hungry as hell, develop no sides, and retain the majority of your gains.

No, no, no, no, no.

[Hazard]

Seriously you need to learn to eat before you consider running a cycle. And you need to do a lot more research on AAS and ancillary use anyway. Have you even read any of our stickies?

6 foot and 167lbs after 1 cycle already? Please forget your plan and learn to eat. Visit our nutrition forum.

^^^^ this

I was 175 at 6'1 in high school man. I was ridiculously skinny. Your diet IS your problem..... Hands down. That needs to be fixed or you'll just spin your wheels while also altering your body chemistry.

If I was in your shoes, I would do EQ and Test E or C. The EQ is going to really boost your appetite at week4. Since eating is an issue, front load the EQ for 2 Weeks before you start your test. This allows the EQ to start entering your system when you start your test. Run your test 2 weeks past your EQ, HCG post cycle and/or proviron. You will be hungry as hell, develop no sides, and retain the majority of your gains.

Not this...... Please disregard this advice. What will happen when he stops the EQ, has no appetite, and his testosterone is in the dirt? He'll lose everything. He's no where near his genetic potential...... He needs to fix his diet issues before anything.

[Bert]

Eat more

[aKF0p9oe]

Have you even read any of our stickies?

Assuming that this question isn't overtly rhetorical, yes I have. The PCT plan is Nolva 40/20/20/20 and Clomid 75/50/50/50. I got this advice from many threads on this site..

Regarding the nutrition comments; I really do get it. I admitted in the OP and a subsequent reply that poor nutrition was the primary factor in my lackluster results the first time around. Again, I'm working on a 3500 calorie per day diet and intend to put it into place for a few weeks at least before anything else. On this point, I don't know how else to say it. I hear you. I've spent a few hours reading up on nutrition for the past few days and plan to keep reading.

I'm not pinning tomorrow or anything. I'm not in any big hurry here. Nothing is imminent. Hehe, I'm here to learn!

[Back In Black]

Your PCT is fine.

Your cycle and ancillaries are wrong. You say you are going to scale back your AI but it is no different. HCG isn't an EOD dosing schedule and starting test at 800mg and tapering down for the period?

I think you should start a thread in the nutrition forum and get a flan that you can follow for several months before you start your cycle. When you start that thread I'd be interested to see where this 3500 calories come from. Your nutrition plan should be good all the time not just in and around the cycle.

[aKF0p9oe]

Your PCT is fine.

Your cycle and ancillaries are wrong. You say you are going to scale back your AI but it is no different. HCG isn't an EOD dosing schedule and starting test at 800mg and tapering down for the period?

I think you should start a thread in the nutrition forum and get a flan that you can follow for several months before you start your cycle. When you start that thread I'd be interested to see where this 3500 calories come from. Your nutrition plan should be good all the time not just in and around the cycle.

Will do. Could you elaborate on the front-loading issue? I'm more likely to do 4wks 750mg, 4wks 500mg, and 4wks 250mg for the sake of ease of dosage. Do I need to taper the AI as well? I thought that the point of front-loading was to even out blood concentrations of Test, such that the AI regimen could be even as well. I'd be happy to reduce the AI if suggested. .25mg EOD?

Thanks, BIB

BTW, after a little more reading, it looks like 2600-2700 calories is going to be my initial target, which should be a far more attainable goal from day to day. Steady as she goes..

[Back In Black]

Read the stickies.

Then come back and tell us if you think tapering your dose is what you should do.