i like higher test

[caira1074]

ive been on trt for 4 years now and I like taking 250 300 mg a week I feel better muscle size is awesome, then I came to this site and everyone is on a maybe 100 to 120 mg of test a week seems way low why even be on trt if you are only going to take that much. Ive tried it and feel like crap no sex drive etc. So if my blood work comes out ok whats the big deal, even my hemocratic comes back a t50.0 psa 0.7ng/ml my total test was 1500 and free was 34.6pg/ml, and everything else looks good. what are the negatives of running this much test long term I feel good and was just wondering my estrogen was 34pg/ml iam 39 and just kind of curious how someone could feel good at such a low dose, I even lost muscle when I went down and had absolutely no sex drive, I tried the lower dose but just did not work for me, I even tried hcg 250 3 times a week and test 6omg twice a week a felt ridiculous. someone please tell me how running test like this could possibly be bad if my bloodwork says otherwise, I would like to run lower amounts but I just feel like crap, and the hcg made it worse.

[sweatymoo]

Sox? You gonna field this one brother

[kelkel]

Long term it's not good for the following:

RBC's
Lipids-particularly HDL
Cardio Vascular system
Central Nervous System
Even effects mental states to those with addictive personalities.
A more is better philosophy in the long run usually is not good.

I also guarantee that your ego is playing into this way too much. Keeping your T level down to a normal physiologic level is simply healthier. If your sex drive is lessened when you dose down that's normal and probably temporary. If not, the problem is elsewhere and likely psychological.

If being larger and bodybuilding is your goal simply blast and cruise. But staying at high doses is ill advised.

[GSXRvi6]

ive been on trt for 4 years now and I like taking 250 300 mg a week I feel better muscle size is awesome, then I came to this site and everyone is on a maybe 100 to 120 mg of test a week seems way low why even be on trt if you are only going to take that much. Ive tried it and feel like crap no sex drive etc. So if my blood work comes out ok whats the big deal, even my hemocratic comes back a t50.0 psa 0.7ng/ml my total test was 1500 and free was 34.6pg/ml, and everything else looks good. what are the negatives of running this much test long term I feel good and was just wondering my estrogen was 34pg/ml iam 39 and just kind of curious how someone could feel good at such a low dose, I even lost muscle when I went down and had absolutely no sex drive, I tried the lower dose but just did not work for me, I even tried hcg 250 3 times a week and test 6omg twice a week a felt ridiculous. someone please tell me how running test like this could possibly be bad if my bloodwork says otherwise, I would like to run lower amounts but I just feel like crap, and the hcg made it worse.

If you need your test levels that high to feel good you probably have issues other than low T.

I won't run mine that high because it's not even close to natural levels for me, and the point of TRT for me is to be "normal".

[2Sox]

ive been on trt for 4 years now and I like taking 250 300 mg a week I feel better muscle size is awesome, then I came to this site and everyone is on a maybe 100 to 120 mg of test a week seems way low why even be on trt if you are only going to take that much. Ive tried it and feel like crap no sex drive etc. So if my blood work comes out ok whats the big deal, even my hemocratic comes back a t50.0 psa 0.7ng/ml my total test was 1500 and free was 34.6pg/ml, and everything else looks good. what are the negatives of running this much test long term I feel good and was just wondering my estrogen was 34pg/ml iam 39 and just kind of curious how someone could feel good at such a low dose, I even lost muscle when I went down and had absolutely no sex drive, I tried the lower dose but just did not work for me, I even tried hcg 250 3 times a week and test 6omg twice a week a felt ridiculous. someone please tell me how running test like this could possibly be bad if my bloodwork says otherwise, I would like to run lower amounts but I just feel like crap, and the hcg made it worse.

I have instinctively felt that running T doses as high as you speak of can be harmful - but wasn't quite sure of the details so I'm learning a good deal from Kel's answer above.

At one point, I was averaging 140mg/week and I couldn't think of anything but sex. It was damn uncomfortable and I knew it was terribly unnatural to feel that way. In my view, men were not made to function at that level - physiologically, mentally or emotionally. Didn't take me long to dial it way down!

I agree with Kel and GSX. You sound a bit competitive and there is no need to be because we're all here to help each other. Egos are unnecessary. Your post had a slightly superior tone to it. Maybe if it was worded differently and you had more humility, you'd get more replies.

[Ryanmcd]

I would never run that high of a level unless I had access to sex 24/7 and a gym lol

The best way I can sum it up is what my doc told me, you feel like you are "plugged in" all the time, it's like a 24x7 pre-workout.

It's okay for a short time but to be like this for say 6+ months I think it would blow out you CNS and just drain you body in the long run. But for a 2-3 month run I say hell ya


Also I have a great sex drive @ a lvl of 5-600, 800-100 even better, 1200+ I need a to with a sex addict. If you have to be @ 1500 to have that sex drive you have something else going on like a lot of porn or something else is off.

[Ccdiesel]

Long term it's not good for the following:

RBC's
Lipids-particularly HDL
Cardio Vascular system
Central Nervous System
Even effects mental states to those with addictive personalities.
A more is better philosophy in the long run usually is not good.

I also guarantee that your ego is playing into this way too much. Keeping your T level down to a normal physiologic level is simply healthier. If your sex drive is lessened when you dose down that's normal and probably temporary. If not, the problem is elsewhere and likely psychological.

If being larger and bodybuilding is your goal simply blast and cruise. But staying at high doses is ill advised.

Wouldn't high trt levels and blasting any other compound further suppress what little natural test production he has? Or have any fertility effects? Not sure if that's a concern for the OP but just a thought.

[kelkel]

Cc there's really no "partial" shut down. 100mg of test will shut you down. That said, compounding it with more really doesn't make you more shut down. Fertility can be impacted but keep in mind many top level body builders who run literally grams (multiple) of AAS per week routinely pop out kids.

[Ccdiesel]

Cc there's really no "partial" shut down. 100mg of test will shut you down. That said, compounding it with more really doesn't make you more shut down. Fertility can be impacted but keep in mind many top level body builders who run literally grams (multiple) of AAS per week routinely pop out kids.

Thanks Kel, that makes sense, and I think that makes sense from my own bloodwork. LH and Fsh dropped within 3 weeks to the bottom of the reference range.

[SEOINAGE]

Caira, maybe 100-120 won't work for you. You need to go off of blood work here. Maybe you need around 170-180 to be in proper ranges. You won't know without blood work. For me I can't go lower than 150-160 without crashing.

[Low Testosterone]

High testosterone levels aren't a concern if blood isn't getting thick, lipids are good and estradiol isn't out of whack along with any other health issues. If all is good and the individual feels good there shouldn't be an issue for concern. However, that's not always the case when someone's using higher end doses of testosterone for long periods of time. Now there are men who do require higher than average testosterone doses, but very few ever need more than 200mg/wk, and the majority do not need 200mg/wk to alleviate all symptoms and feel fantastic.

Here's a good real life example of how different we all are. I may have shared this before, I don't remember.

Myself and one other guy here at the office. We both took 200mg of testosterone per week. 6 days after an injection my levels are below 200 ng/dl even at a 200mg dose. 7 days after an injection, the other man is still hovering close to 1000 ng/dl. Since that time, I have actually dropped my dose and split it to 60mg/2x/wk. I now hover around 750-850 at any given time of the week and feel fantastic. I forgot to mention, I'm also extremely good looking

[2Sox]

Myself and one other guy here at the office. We both took 200mg of testosterone per week. 6 days after an injection my levels are below 200 ng/dl even at a 200mg dose. 7 days after an injection, the other man is still hovering close to 1000 ng/dl. Since that time, I have actually dropped my dose and split it to 60mg/2x/wk. I now hover around 750-850 at any given time of the week and feel fantastic. I forgot to mention, I'm also extremely good looking

Why did you levels go up when you dose went down? What is the explanation - the science behind this?

[Low Testosterone]

Why did you levels go up when you dose went down? What is the explanation - the science behind this?

From what I've seen over the years, you can take the same dose of testosterone and give it to 20 men and you will have 20 different outcomes in terms of where there levels are and how fast or slow their levels fall after an injection. If you look at peak times, the average is 48-72hrs after an injection, which means the peak is different for everyone and some will peak outside of that average a little sooner or a little later. Generally, from what I've seen, those that peak faster usually crash faster and are typically the ones who benefit from twice weekly injections more so than anyone else. I guess the long and short is we all metabolize testosterone at different rates. And I should have clarified in my last post, my levels peaked well on 200mg once per week, they simply fell rapidly.

[2Sox]

And I should have clarified in my last post, my levels peaked well on 200mg once per week, they simply fell rapidly.

What did they peak to?

[Beethoven]

From what I've seen over the years, you can take the same dose of testosterone and give it to 20 men and you will have 20 different outcomes in terms of where there levels are and how fast or slow their levels fall after an injection. If you look at peak times, the average is 48-72hrs after an injection, which means the peak is different for everyone and some will peak outside of that average a little sooner or a little later. Generally, from what I've seen, those that peak faster usually crash faster and are typically the ones who benefit from twice weekly injections more so than anyone else. I guess the long and short is we all metabolize testosterone at different rates. And I should have clarified in my last post, my levels peaked well on 200mg once per week, they simply fell rapidly.

Low t you are absolutely spot on. I'm on 100 mg per week and am in the process to up my dose because I still feel a bit low. But I'm going up slowly and want to use the least amount possible because of the sides. I have had problems with hematocrit levels being high and a bit with my estradiol levels jumping also. I have done 200 mg a week and yeah it feels great but wouldn't want to be on it long term either, besides the obvious sides work would get in the way of sex and working out.

[Low Testosterone]

What did they peak to?

900-1000 36hrs after an injection.
During this little test phase where me and another guy were tracking this, neither was taking HCG or anastrozole, testosterone only.

[caira1074]

when you say blast and cruise how do you do that on trt is it a once a week or twice week when blasting and does hcg play a role along with arimidex just curious. thanks for the info. I also did not mean to come across with a superior tone, iam just wondering why when I tried the lower amounts why I would lose my sex drive and motivation and muscle etc is all. And I would think 300 350 would be considered high not 200 250 maybe I don't know, I just know when iam in the 1000-1200 range I feel better but if getting there takes around 200 220 then my health is more important and I would consider just stopping trt all together cause for me it just feels the same if I take 100 120 a week,

[slates]

My only concern with having very high testosterone for long periods of time is earlier onset of prostate cancer. Prostate cancer is very treatable, but treatment often means the end of your sex life.

[kelkel]

Testosterone doesn't cause prostate cancer.

[Rida5d]

High testosterone levels aren't a concern if blood isn't getting thick, lipids are good and estradiol isn't out of whack along with any other health issues. If all is good and the individual feels good there shouldn't be an issue for concern. However, that's not always the case when someone's using higher end doses of testosterone for long periods of time. Now there are men who do require higher than average testosterone doses, but very few ever need more than 200mg/wk, and the majority do not need 200mg/wk to alleviate all symptoms and feel fantastic.

Here's a good real life example of how different we all are. I may have shared this before, I don't remember.

Myself and one other guy here at the office. We both took 200mg of testosterone per week. 6 days after an injection my levels are below 200 ng/dl even at a 200mg dose. 7 days after an injection, the other man is still hovering close to 1000 ng/dl. Since that time, I have actually dropped my dose and split it to 60mg/2x/wk. I now hover around 750-850 at any given time of the week and feel fantastic. I forgot to mention, I'm also extremely good looking

Would injecting 3 times a week AND lowering the dosages yield better results?
Hope I'm not hijacking the thread.

[kelkel]

You should not need 3 injections per week unless you're a hyper-excreter.

[Rida5d]

You should not need 3 injections per week unless you're a hyper-excreter.

Thnx kelkel , I just went into the term hyper excreter and now I know what it means.
I though that 3 lower dosages a week might lead to less (peaks) and may be less Aromatse activity..

[2Sox]

Thnx kelkel , I just went into the term hyper excreter and now I know what it means.
I though that 3 lower dosages a week might lead to less (peaks) and may be less Aromatse activity..

Some men actually do inject more frequently and with a much lower dose for exactly this reason. I recall hearing someone on this forum who injects 20mg ED. He loved it, but IMO, this is a little excessive. At present, I inject 24mg EOD and I'm waiting to get my bloods done to see how it's working.

As many have pointed out, the ideal is to get your levels to where you feel good, E2 is under control and you don't need an aromatase inhibitor. And by the way, on the advice of Kel and others I've lowered my dose to try to achieve this goal.

[kelkel]

Remember guys a little rise and fall is expected and ok. We don't have to be a perfectly straight line, so to speak. Main thing like Sox said, E2 control is paramount. Keep it as simple and effective as possible to make your life easier.

[Ccdiesel]

Remember guys a little rise and fall is expected and ok. We don't have to be a perfectly straight line, so to speak. Main thing like Sox said, E2 control is paramount. Keep it as simple and effective as possible to make your life easier.

Kel,

What trt protocol have you been on? Just curious if you don't mind me asking.

[booku]

hyper responder here, 100 mg test only and 1259 ng/dL 24 hours after injection, wonder what my level would be at 300 mg a week blast...

[xcraider37]

hyper responder here, 100 mg test only and 1259 ng/dL 24 hours after injection, wonder what my level would be at 300 mg a week blast...

Any idea what your level is day of or before next shot? I don't think your 24 hour results are that unusual.