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Age: 20
Height 5' 8''
Weight 192
Bodyfat around 15%
Plan is test e for 10 weeks at 500 mg and tren ace at 200 mg a week for weeks 3-8. Im 4 days into this cycle, questions are should I run an AI through the whole cycle? Would letro be OK? If so at what dosage, and for pct clomid and nova? If someone could pm on where to find these legit that'd be great.
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Looks like this will be a helpful forum.
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it's just a really bad idea, and the fact that you've already started this cycle and are NOW asking these questions...is just plain dumb...
what are your goals?
read: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html
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Okay then.
1. You are far to young to be running a cycle of ANY kind!!! There are serious risk you face at cycling at such an early age. You risk irreversible effect to your endocrine system, ED, as well as many other undesirable consequences. There have been MANY guys come on here that are screwed up for the rest of their lives from cycling to young. http://forums.steroid.com/educationa...-steroids.html
2. Tren Ace is considered an advanced steroid and should NEVER be taken in a first cycle. D-bol is okay, but the fewer compounds you have the better. If you start running into sides you can't handle, how do you know which one is effecting you negatively. You don't. The best way to avoid this is start with Test only. Once you know how that effect you, add another compound and see how that effects you, and so on.
3. Test E and Tren A is not a good choice. You have one long ester and one short ester. This will mean that you'll be running the tren by itself for many weeks before the test kicks in. SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR DICK - CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA WORK!!!
4. You should ALWAYS use AI for your entire cycle. NO EXCEPTIONS!!!
5. Letro is not a good choice for an AI - you should be using A-Dex or Aromasin.
6. Clomid and Nolva are correct for PCT - but you're not allowed to ask for sources. It's against the rules!!!
7. No mention of caber at all.
8. Most importantly - you're asking all these questions after you've started your cycle and without any source. You're not prepared, you're completely off, you haven't researched a damn thing, and your entire post shows complete and utter irresponsibility.
So why didn't I say all of these things to begin with? Because I highly doubt you'll make the responsible call and drop this cycle now. So I'm more than likely wasting my breath, or in this case keystrokes.
Last edited by slfmade; 03-28-2014 at 12:18 AM.
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This is my second cycle actually, and if you would have read I said I was taking test e for 2 weeks before starting tren, I couldn't get tren e so I took what I could. And actually I have done tons of research, nothing wrong with asking it with my exact stats, thought that's what this forums for. I didn't run and AI on my last cycle, test e and DECA dura, and had no gyno etc. That's why I asked if I should. Did I get lucky? Probably, idk why you see the need to completely bash me for my age, I am not looking for an easy way out, I put hard work in the gym and with my diet. Hell I just benched 360 at 5' 7" " at 20 YO with no gear.
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I can tell you why this kid is running a cycle prob. He's in college, prob a sophomore or maybe a jr. He sees all the big guys working out and wants to be just like them. So hey, f*** everything and let's do test & tren...
Man when will kids ever learn.
Look for the sticky "young and steroids".
And if you're going to ignore us then check out Austinite's sticky "My first cycle- planning end executing" it covers pct dosage and what to do about that AI.
Good luck brochacho.
~Base
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Actually active army for 3 years now... And I outlift most grown men, not going to ignore you guys because I'm shaking all the BS of what or who you think I am, because you have it wrong.
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Well sounds like you're a billy bad ass. Check out that link I told you about, the my first cycle. Good luck heavy lifter.Originally Posted by ufc94champ
~Base
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BULLSHIT!!! You haven't done research or you would know these things!!!!!!! These are simple basic necessities that with even the slightest bit of research you would find. I'm not even gonna respond to all the new things that are wrong with your post above. I'm not bashing you for your age. It's a proven fact that your endocrine system has NOT fully developed until ages 24-25. Therefor you're taking a major risk that you will have hormonal problems for the rest of your life. Many kids come here just like you, they don't listen to us, run their cycles anyway, and comeback months later in tears because they are depressed, exhausted, can't get their dick hard, and sometimes suicidal. I'm just trying to help you out kid, but as I said earlier you won't take my advice as I already see you trying to justify it.
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I started out young too so am in no position to slate, but I will agree that tren is a nasty steroid, I've used it many times and had great results but more sides than with any other I've used before.
Certainly expect to lose the life in your chap down below, raised blood pressure, sweating like never before and can say goodbye to any cardio you usually do.
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Couldn't agree with slfmade any more! Took the words out of my mouth, probably better stated though.
Dude, honestly being 20 and starting to cycle is to young. By the time you're 25, if your first cycle goes well, you would prob have done 5 cycles. That's if you do only 1 a year, and you'll prob squeeze in 2. So that's 10 cycles by 25yo. Your endocrine is going to be sooooo done & messed up by then...
I'm just saying, if you don't mind being on TRT till your shriveled up and 6 feet under, go for it. If you give a damn about your health, and life, wait man.
Just trying to be some honest help.
~Base
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Part of being a grown up is listening to the advice of more experienced people. When I first came on this site I wanted to try my first cycle, I researched and researched and research some more. Years later it was finally time for me to do my first cycle. I wanted to go balls to the wall, but the experienced guys here told me to take it slow so I did. Recently I decided to run another cycle and I really wanted to give tren ace a shot. I even went so far as to buy everything. Again the guys here told me to take it slow and get experience with other compounds first. Now I'm a 31 year old man that has his shit together and thinks he knows best most of the time but I listened to these guys and I'm taking it slow again. The fact that I'm able to recognize that there's smarter people out there than me and I should listen to the advice of the experienced people is what makes me a man. "Sure that and a pair of testicles"
So I encourage you to listen to us. We know what we're talking about, we've been in your shoes. Don't be a child....be a man and listen to the more knowledgeable people around you.
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If the tren is that bad I'll just cut it, kinda glad I got tren ace so it could potentially be out faster, I appreciate the advice, I understand the risks at my age. All I was looking for is reassurance on a pct and AI, and possibly where to find it.
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So you want our advice on pct and AI, but you don't wanta listen to our advice about stopping this cycle. What is it about "you're too young and you're going to screw yourself up" do you not understand? You're not stupid are you? So why not just stop and lift without the steroids for a few more years?
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Yeah, because according to you you benched 350 or 360 or whatever number you pulled out of the sky. If that's true sounds like your test levels are still ramping, so why roids?
And you're so quick to say your diet is in check. Maybe that's your problem.
~Base
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