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    New guy thoughts; long post, sorry!

    First off, a brief intro: 44 y/o; 5'-10"; 204 lb, ~11 or 12% bf; married 14 yrs to an extremely good looking, sexy and sexually enthusiastic woman who loves me (and vice versa); borderline type 2 diabetic with blood sugar level of 97 when checked by original doc; on hrt about 6 months now.

    What led me to hrt was primarily erectile dysfunction. Bottom line is I couldn't get it up or keep it up reliably. This has been an ongoing and progressively worse problem for several years. I guess I don't have to tell y'all what that does to a man's ego and to a wife's as well. Other symptoms include what I was calling "chronic fatigue". Along that line I should say I was diagnosed with sleep apnea a number of years ago and had a couple of surgical procedures done which radically improved that condition, though I haven't felt rested in probably a decade or more even after that. I also developed insomnia the last couple of years, which reached a level of torture.

    New in my area, went to doc selected more or less randomly who's in network, asked to be tested for low T. Level came back at ~400ng/dl, was told that's in normal range of 300-1200 and not my problem. Was also told the various "helpers" (can't name them or my post will be deleted, as i discovered after spending 30 or so minutes composing it last night) wouldn't be effective because one "has to be in the mood for them to work." He then went on to say the cause is probably psychosomatic and I should dig into that.

    A few months after getting the brush off from him I went to one of the locally advertised HRT clinics and was tested again, this time total T came back at 395, same as before. But considering my symptoms I got treatment.

    Initially put me on 150 mg/wk which brought the number up to the mid 500's and fantastic ED improvement, though not completely eradicated. Also continued to feel tired all the time. Dose has been increased over time and in steps to current which is 180mg/week.

    Meanwhile, the ED has returned worse than ever. I now can't get it up or keep it up without some medical assistance, and that gives me heartburn something terrible! I feel pretty good most of the time, as far as fatigue goes, and I sleep like the dead most of the time.

    Estrogen has been a science project. At first wasn't given anything for it but after first bloodwork at 4 weeks was given Anastrozole, 0.5 mg 2x/wk. This was supposed to solve the lingering intermittent ED issues, as estrogen level crept up (originally in mid 20's, had crept up to low 30's). Next blood test showed estrogen pretty low, low 20's, and increasing ED led to suspect maybe estrogen was too low, so suggested stop Anastrozole, which I did. E level went back up to 34, and by this time ED is so bad I'm using little blue helpers or else have no luck at all. Doc has me taking zinc, as he says it's a milder E blocker. But this F's with my stomach and hasn't helped the ED one bit.

    I've thought about cycling off, then restarting since I had such good results initially but that's been advised against, and i don't want to give up the great sleep, feeling rested, or the gains I've made in the gym.

    However, I also have terrible acne on chest and back.

    And also, just as bad or worse is that on top of the ED, my sex drive has dropped off as well! This may be simply the result of performance anxiety more than anything, but it's a fact. And the clinic doc is stumped. He has no idea. Only total T and E have been checked, not free T; PSA levels are consistently checked, that remains at 1.0 (range 0 to 4.0).

    SOOOO, from some of the reading I've done, I suspect that while my current total serum T level is around 800, I may have low Free T. Between that and the mid 30's estrogen I've been thinking of starting the Anastrozole again but at 0.5 mg/week to moderate the E in the mid to upper 20's.

    Then I read 2Sox's post on Aromasin, and i think I'm gonna get some of that and try it, if I can find it. I'm also going to have doc draw blood and do a more thorough test panel including free t, SHBG and whatever else should be looked at. I'll try to dig that up from other posts, I've read it several times.

    I also have an appt with a urologist, but am now thinking i should maybe see an endocrinologist instead.

    I am amazed that there is more knowledge of hormones among bodybuilders than there is among docs, including hrt specialist docs!

    Thanx for reading through the long post! Please give me your thoughts, if you think I'm on the right track.

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    Welcome, we would be able to help better if you post up bloodwork. From what I understand free T is the more important of the two. The AI your dr is giving you is what I take, try taking .25 mg 24 hrs after test inject. How often are you injecting test. Every 3.5 days is the best, that keeps your blood levels better and will help with the estrogen spikes. I'm sure others will chime in here, your at the right place, post up that bw and let the experts advise you.

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    Another thing I seen, everyone is different when it comes to e levels but depending on your labs scale 25-35 is the prime levels for estrogen. I feel best myself at around 32, but I know some guys who like it higher. You have to find that best level for you.

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    You should post complete BW. Free t is more important than total but your dose was kind of high for what most of us either started with or are on. E2 can definitely be a factor as some of those symptoms I had and were a result of E2. I had also bumped up my dose and it didn't work. Dialing in your E2 and free test will do it.

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    Posting blood work will help immensely.
    Until then, injecting half your dose twice / week may help keep your T & E levels more stable. It could also help in slightly lowering you E levels.
    As for your AI - I agree with the previous poster. 1/4 2x / week and see where your E numbers are.
    Blood work is the "tell all". Get it posted here so it can be reviewed. Give changes in protocol 4 weeks or so and get re-tested to check progress.
    Be patient - you'll get there!

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    I'll post up what I have, but as I said, doc has never tested for free T. I'm going to have to get bw again and specifically ask for it.

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    alot of guys on trt are also on cialis (like me). my ed got tons better when i started trt and cialis - i didn't have the estrogen issues you have tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartman314 View Post
    alot of guys on trt are also on cialis (like me). my ed got tons better when i started trt and cialis - i didn't have the estrogen issues you have tho.
    I'm not in Cialis yet but, a little Viagra every now and then is good.

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    I am using one of those, the latter, now. At this point I have nothing without it. Absolutely nothing. It gets the stick working, and well, but gives me serious heartburn (50 mg; I tried 25 and it did nothing whatsoever) and having to pop a pill in advance and then wait 30 min or so is a drag. I may try the other as a daily dose kind of thing at 5 or 10 mg and see what happens. But ultimately I'd like to get the hormones dialed in and not need it.

    So here's the complete bw from when I started this; every result has different tests on it, except T and E levels; those are done consistently:
    9/17/13: baseline:
    Serum T: 395 ng/dL
    Estradiol: 18.6pg/mL
    PSA: 0.7 ng/mL

    Started with 150 mg/week upon receiving these results.

    10/12/13
    T: 599
    E: 18

    Increased to 170 mg/week at this point; added HCG + B12, pretty sure at 250 mg (I think 250 mg HCG, not sure how much B12)

    12/20/13:
    T: 1430
    E: 41.4
    PSA: 0.8
    Hemoglobin: 17.2 g/dL

    No change in protocol at this point)

    Above is an anomoly: I really think the lab mixed up the samples, because no changes were made except the addition of anastrozole before the next test:

    1/10/14:
    T: 783
    E: 25

    Because of my increasing ED problems increased dose to 180 mg/week; at some point started taking home a HCG + B12 250 mg syringe for midweek use. Also dropped anastrozole, the idea being perhaps E level was too low, possibly causing ED.

    3/4/14:
    T: 868
    E: 34.4
    Prolactin: 19.8 ng/dL (flagged high; range 4.0-15.2)
    PSA: 1.0 ng/mL
    Hemoglobin: 17.6 g/dL

    At this point, doc advised supplementing w zinc as E blocker, thinking it's less effective than anastrozole and hoping to find a middle ground there. I just stopped aking the zinc today (4/3) because it kills my stomach: heartburn, bloating, gas... cinstant burping and farting... and zero improvement in sexual performance.

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    I spoke with Doc today and asked about free T, SHBG conversion to DHT. Also discussed stopping zinc; he prescribed tam... something or other, a different E blocker. I can't post the name of any of this stuff, being a new member. Also discussed a different AI I read about last night. He is going to read up on that.

    Vis-a-vis DHT conversion and SHBG binding, he says not much can be done about that. But I just read about a couple things that do just that! It seems that the DHT blocker would get rid of the acne (and get me off the antibiotic he has me on, which is only semi effective). The other would stop the SHBG binding and free up more test.

    Also, prolactin is high: isn't this an issue and couldn't it be causing or contributing to ED???

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    Btw, this is a fantastic forum, great source of info. However, I'd love to post the names of some of these 'pharmaceuticals' I've read about; but as a new mwmbwe I am blocked from doing so. I spent about 30 minutes the other night composing a detailed intro, including history, current scripts, etc. When I went to post it I was blocked, it sent me back to the previous page and deleted my entire post, giving me no chance to edit. That THOROUGHLY pissed me off!!!

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    Post the reference ranges for BW. Different labs have different ranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMW14 View Post
    Btw, this is a fantastic forum, great source of info. However, I'd love to post the names of some of these 'pharmaceuticals' I've read about; but as a new mwmbwe I am blocked from doing so. I spent about 30 minutes the other night composing a detailed intro, including history, current scripts, etc. When I went to post it I was blocked, it sent me back to the previous page and deleted my entire post, giving me no chance to edit. That THOROUGHLY pissed me off!!!
    This is a great resource. You would be hard pressed to find better people and information here. I came across this site purely by accident, maybe karma, but what I have learned has been great. And the learning never stops.

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    Here are the ranges:
    Test: 348-1200 ng/dL
    Estradiol: 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
    PSA: 0.0-4.0 ng/mL
    Hemoglobin: g/dL
    Prolactin: 4.0-15.2 ng/mL

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    Ok, according to Wikipedia, which I know people say can't be relied upon, high prolactin levels in males causes impotence. And mine is 5 ng/dL over the range! It was only checked this last round of BW but I suspect it's been steadily rising all along. So now I have to find out how to control that.....

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    Parlodel, or bromocriptine, is apparently effective for treating high prolactin, according to another thread I found on this forum. I'm going to see what I can do about getting some of that and see what that does. Pretty sure doc will call in a script for me on that.

    My estrogen level is somewhat elevated but not out of range... I wonder if I should leave the estrogen level alone. I have no nipple sensitivity or swelling, nothing like that. I am thinking maybe doc has been barking up the wrong tree worrying about the estradiol level and oblivious to the prolactin!

    If this solves the ED problem that would be fantastic! After reading about the role and function of prolactin in the body: the "sexual gratification" hormone that sort of "deactivated" dopamine, the arousal hormone, a feeling that I've not been able to put my finger on now makes perfect sense: I feel like I'm"extra flaccid" the longer this goes on. With prolactin level so high, no wonder. The Sarge thinks he's just done a good job and should be resting!! Jeez, what a revelation!

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