I will be my own guinea pig- Is there any other solution?

[apple2go]

Hello guys,

my long story is here: http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...early-20s.html

I have had symptoms for 3+ years now since I was 19. I used only prohormones and 'natural' testosterone boosters. I regret it now, maybe they did the mess.


In the past 3 months I had 2 different doctors. 1 of them was a complete jerk so I left him after 2 consultation, the 2nd one was better but said "I don't have the opportunity to do some labwork etc but go there and they will be able to test everything". **** MY LIFE. It's been about 3 years and nothing happened? I had maybe 6-7 doctors or more, I pay insurance, but the doctors I visited are not covered by it, so I spend about 2.5k$ to doctors who didn't tell anything just sent me from place to place and it is said they are the best doctors here!! I could have bought some clothes, went to a nice holiday but no... I gave it to doctors. They did everything, like MRI and shit, and they claim everything is okay, my LH, FSH is low, but my test is ok.

I have enough of this shit, I want my life, sex drive, erection, focus, calmness, positiveness etc back! I have become a bitch, I'm irritable, sometimes(its more and more frequent) very depressed, altought I never had any depression issue in my life. I cannot concentrate on my work, I don't have motivation, energy, confidence, I tolerate stress very badly and I can list my nasty symptoms for days. Nothing bad happened in my life that could make this shit, I mean no psychological reason to this.

So I'm very desperate, I'm planning on doing an experiment by myself, I make a TRT cycle for 8 weeks and see if my testosterone is the problem or not. The exact plan is not figured out yet, I wish to get you oppinion guys about whether it is a good idea, or not.

I would do it for 8 weeks, and every 2 weeks I would do a labwork in order to see my test levels along with some lh, fsh, estradiol etc. It's too bad that I'm going to the USA for 1 month so I can start this in July or have to figure out another way, like prescribe test with a doctor.


What you guys think?


Cheers,
Apple2go

[hawk14dl]

Do you have your blood work? Your levels with ranges, that will get more responses

[apple2go]

Yes I have a lot, maybe 8-10 different bw(maybe I should change the cost I wrote here, because this cost 800-1000$ alone with no docs FML). Yet, nothing changed, every bw is very similar.

2014.january
Ft4: 18,76 range: 12-22
FT3: 6,15 range: 3,1-6,8
Dvit: 159 range: 75-250 (I hadn't comsumed my d vit 4 days before bw! So it should be better, I take 2000iu 2/day with meal)
FSH: 2,9 range: 1,5-12,4
LH: 4,2 range: 1,7-8,6
Prolactin: 177,4 range: 86-324
e2: 72,8 range: 28-156
Total test 18,35 range: 11,4-27,9
Free test: 2,18 range: 1,6-2,9
SHBG: 31,7 range: 13.0-71
RT3: 0,29 range: 0,09-0,35



2014 february:
TSH: 5.18 range:0,27-4,2

ACTH 2,7 range: 1,1-10,12

I didn't write kidney, liver etc functions because everything is good, they tested it several times too.

[apple2go]

2014 february:
Kreatinin: 92 range:59-105
GOT: 27 range:3-40
GPT:31 range: 3-41
Gamma-GT:18 range: 8-61
TSH: 5,65 range:0,27-4,2
FT4:20 range:12-22
Thyreoglobulin:6,7 range:1,4-78
FSHL: 3,2 range:1,2-12,40
LHL: 4,2 range:1,7-8,60
Prolactin: 202 range:86-324
Testosterone (total). 17,18 range: 11,4-27,9
Anti TPO: <5 range: 0,0-34,0

[hawk14dl]

Honestly, unless im reading wrong your values are pretty good. Free t is high in the reference range and total t is in the middle. Thyroid values are good.

I doubt you'll find any drs willing to help you man. Besides your age, your values are all well within "acceptable" range.

I personally wouldn't suggest trt. Besides that, your trial plan is all wrong. 8 weeks isn't long enough to tell if you're doing any thing. Blood work every 2 weeks is foolish and a waste of money. Testing fsh and lh while on exogenous test, well I can save you a few bucks here: those values will be 0 or close to it.

There's something else going on. I don't think test is your problem.

[apple2go]

But what then?

MRI didn't show any adenoma or stuff like that. What is your guess? What can cause this mess?

[ebstein]

I may be a novice, but 72.8 for your e2 seems high.

[hawk14dl]

It's a different scale then most of us use. It may be a little high but not overly so.

Op, I'm not sure what else it could be. Not a dr. I've just seem a lot of blood work in here. Comparably you're about where I am WITH my trt.

Hopefully one of our medical experts will chime in

[2Sox]

I'd like to bump this up. I think it would be valuable to find out what's going on.

[CobraMustangSVT]

For February 2014,
Am I reading it wrong or does it look like your TSH reads 5.18 and the scale goes from .27 to 4.2?

[Rusty11]

For February 2014,
Am I reading it wrong or does it look like your TSH reads 5.18 and the scale goes from .27 to 4.2?

Yes. I know for a fact that hypothyroidism will cause every symptom that the op is experiencing. With all those drs., none of them have done a complete thyroid workup? Your tsh is high.

[hawk14dl]

His t3 and t4 values are excellent. Could he still have hypothyroidism even considering?