Oral with least heart complications?

[davidtheman100]

If you were to take 30mg ED - 40mg ED a day of winny/anavar over the corse of 5-8 weeks could that potentially cause heart enlargement in someone who does high intensity cardio for 3-4 hrs/day?

Would something like D-bol be better and less hurtful to the heart?

What would be the best of those 3 to reach my goals with least likely to hurt my heart in anyway?
As i'd have a different PCT variety of supplements for each one.
Goals: Gain 5-8 lbs of solid muscle in that course of 5-8 weeks?

Stats
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 175
BF: 7-9%
Age: 22

PS: DEF worried about my heart because the 3-4 hrs of high intensity cardio is something 99% of steroid users DO NOT experience.

[Times Roman]

well, the good news is that mostly everyone here will tell you to wait with ANY steroids until your hormonal system has fully developed, usually in your mid twenties.

[lovbyts]

You are only worried about your heat? What about your liver? Liver will be mostly effected using orals.

Read the profile of each of the orals and injectables. Then read the stickies at the top like the young and steroids and my 1st cycle planning by Austinite. Those will answer a lot of your questions and hopefully open your eyes to what you should and should not be doing.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

[davidtheman100]

I was planning on taking omega 3 fish oil pills and glucosamine a couple weeks before and during the cycle while staying hydrated at all times too. For PCT i though nolva would be good because that's what i've read is effective for these orals. I also heard i should be eating alot of antioxidants like strawberries, plumbs and apples to take some of the stress off of my liver. The reason i was most concerned with the heart problems is because it seems like little to nobody does that high amount of cardio while on the gear and i couldn't just find information like that as easily because of the low ratio of people doing so.

[lovbyts]

are you planning on running winny & anavar? You do know they will suppress your natural test introduction dont you?
Are you planning on running test with these? HCG? PCT?

What about liver support?

[davidtheman100]

I'm a divison 1 basketball player and i'm in my offseason going into my senior year. i've heard that alot of athletes in endurance-based sports have a history of taking winny-only cycles that have had good results basing back to the 80's. So if possible, i'd like to do only that. I've heard liv52 and milk thistle help keep the liver damage to a minimum so i'd consider either of those post-cycle. I've also heard that clomid for 2 weeks after a winstrol cycle should be more than enough if i'm just running it alone? On the forums theres been alot of talk about how winny is useless if you're over 10% bodyfat but i'm under and am not expecting to gain 10-20 lbs of muscle in my time taking these orals just about 5-8. As for testosterone suppression, would i just be able to visit my doctor post cycle for my tests and he'll just see that i have low testosterone and prescribe me prescription shot's so that there will be little to no problems with my eligibility going into the season? If that is a problem, would a test booster like animal pack work?

[lovbyts]

1st thing I would do is take a look at the guys who use to do that and see what kind of shape they are in now, see how many have long term issues. Winny dries out your joints.

You had better check your rules for drug testing because all it takes is one surprise test and your finished.

Milk thistle is very weak, liv52 is better and NAC is even better as well as a lot of water of course.

If you doctor gave you a shot of testosterone it would make things even worse. It's not like B12 or a supplement you can add to. Every little bit of testosterone your body detects in your system it will produce less and it sees winny and anavar as test even though they are not so your system stops producing testosterone which will limit gains and can cause big sexual sides such as ED for your entire cycle or for months after until you fully recover.

I'm not sure what the proper PCT for oral only is since we always suggest to NEVER run an oral alone.

You have to look at this long term and decide if the risks are really worth it.

[davidtheman100]

Alright will do. So as far as restoring my testosterone after it's suppressed, other than stacking test with the orals are there any other ways to do it effectively? It's to the point where at 5'9" 175 with 7-9% bodyfat i've read that naturally it's the basic max peak of bodyfat to muscle ratio. Moving forward without steroids i would have to add a higher bodyfat percentage which i feel like i can't afford to do, and wouldn't want to do.

What would exactly make you frown upon oral only cycles especially if these two in particular (var and winny) are known for making you keep most of your gains gradually other than the liver toxicity associated with it?

[davidtheman100]

I'm also very concerned with the drying of my joints especially if i'm going to be sweating doing high cardio for 3-4 hours straight. That is why i'm planning on using the glucosamine and omega 3 fish oil previous and during the cycle to lubricate my joints and bring 5-6 bottles of water with me while i play ball.