Fat stomach, What am I doing? Help please.

[iEKOS]

Hi everyone. I'm going to try and keep is short but I'd rather tell you as much as I can and hope you can guide me please as I'm new to this.

Profile
Age 37
Height 5,5
Weight 80kg

Lat year Jan 2013, i went on a mission to loose lots of weight. I lost 22kg. I went on a strict no sugar and carbs diet. I felt great. I still have had a belly but its more hanging - loose skin and also under my arms. So after shedding the fat, I decided to hit the gum and repack with muscle. I always wanted to look good and have some kind of definition. My mind is fixed and I'm determined.
After pumping solid 5 days a week for 5 month, I'm seeing small changes but I didn't feel good. The recovery was slow and I'm in pain all the time (joint pains, wrist pains). The drive was just not there. After lots of hesitation, I decided to take some stuff from a friend. I asked him to give me stuff that's not gona make me massive over night (I'm a short guy).

Here is what I have

Primobolan 400mg per week
Sustanon 250mg every two weeks.
This is my fourth week.

Work out in the Gym

One or two body part a day (5-6 days) for about 1 hr - 1.5 hrs)
Sometimes 20min cardio at the end (been slacking lately).
Badminton twice a week.

Yes, its helped thus far and I've already had some comments from the wife and friends etc (which is great). i feel stronger and my pump is making me feel great, however, I was told to start eating good carbs at the right time and small meals more often. So I did.

Since three days now, my stomach is getting big. I feel it. I feel bloated but I can see it big. It's scaring the shit out of me. I don't want a stomach no more. Its taken allot of hard work to get rid and now I see it back and its upsetting me.

Question I have

1) What the hell am I doing wrong. Shall I stop the m.eds? Is it the carbs. Shall I stop the carbs? An I eating too much. I feel sad I swear.
2) Should I do more cardio to combat the belly? I look frigin pregnant if i relax it.
3) The m.eds are really starting to make my upper body big. If I get too big, can I shed by lots or cardio? As i said, I'm short and I don't want to look wrong.
4) After the 12weeks cycle, then what should I take. I read something about getting my body's normal test to start working again, I goto take something?

Well, thank you for reading and I hope you guys can guide me as I really am lost

[Temporary Accnt]

Stop everything and head straight over to the Nutritional Forum and Exercise forum. AAS will not help you at this point. And the "cycle" youre on is horrible and poorly planned.

Edit; your friend is an idiot.

[Buster Brown]

That is a horrible cycle plan that you are following. First thing you need to do is read the educational thread titled how to plan and execute a successful first cycle. No idea what your diet looks like but you need to have a solid diet plan in check to either bulk, cut, or maintain. You need to visit the diet section and figure out your tdee and get your macros in line. It sounds like you train hard but there are 23 other hours in the day that you need to be doing the right thing in order to achieve results. If your stomach is getting bigger it sounds like you are bloated. Could be your sodium intake, food choices, or both. One shot of Tes every two weeks will do nothing in terms of gaining muscle that you will keep and primo at 400 mgs a week.....well, if its a ugl grade primo chances are you are really running eq and if it is pharm grade you need to be running alot more. Your first cycle should be Tes only..... please read the articles and sections i mentioned.

[iEKOS]

OK,

Fist thank you for your advice. I will start reading 'how to plan and execute a successful first cycle'.

Do I stop the cycle now or finish it? And please brief why its horrible. What will happen if I continue?

Thank you.

[tice1212]

Hi everyone. I'm going to try and keep is short but I'd rather tell you as much as I can and hope you can guide me please as I'm new to this.

Profile
Age 37
Height 5,5
Weight 80kg

Lat year Jan 2013, i went on a mission to loose lots of weight. I lost 22kg. I went on a strict no sugar and carbs diet. I felt great. I still have had a belly but its more hanging - loose skin and also under my arms. So after shedding the fat, I decided to hit the gum and repack with muscle. I always wanted to look good and have some kind of definition. My mind is fixed and I'm determined.
After pumping solid 5 days a week for 5 month, I'm seeing small changes but I didn't feel good. The recovery was slow and I'm in pain all the time (joint pains, wrist pains). The drive was just not there. After lots of hesitation, I decided to take some stuff from a friend. I asked him to give me stuff that's not gona make me massive over night (I'm a short guy).

Here is what I have

Primobolan 400mg per week
Sustanon 250mg every two weeks.
This is my fourth week.

Work out in the Gym

One or two body part a day (5-6 days) for about 1 hr - 1.5 hrs)
Sometimes 20min cardio at the end (been slacking lately).
Badminton twice a week.

Yes, its helped thus far and I've already had some comments from the wife and friends etc (which is great). i feel stronger and my pump is making me feel great, however, I was told to start eating good carbs at the right time and small meals more often. So I did.

Since three days now, my stomach is getting big. I feel it. I feel bloated but I can see it big. It's scaring the shit out of me. I don't want a stomach no more. Its taken allot of hard work to get rid and now I see it back and its upsetting me.

Question I have

1) What the hell am I doing wrong. Shall I stop the m.eds? Is it the carbs. Shall I stop the carbs? An I eating too much. I feel sad I swear.
2) Should I do more cardio to combat the belly? I look frigin pregnant if i relax it.
3) The m.eds are really starting to make my upper body big. If I get too big, can I shed by lots or cardio? As i said, I'm short and I don't want to look wrong.
4) After the 12weeks cycle, then what should I take. I read something about getting my body's normal test to start working again, I goto take something?

Well, thank you for reading and I hope you guys can guide me as I really am lost

Bro there is so much wrong here.. IMO i think u should get off of the drugs and start pct ( now u say what's pct mean?!) well my friend this is the think that is going to get ur normal test levels back.. But u don't know what a proper PCT is because u never did any research to see what kind of drugs ur putting in ur body.. Start ur put two weeks after ur last injection..
Proper pct:
Clomid @ 75,50,50,50
Nolva @ 40, 20,20,20
U can get ur pct from the site sponsor. Ar-r quality stuff

Primo is not going to do much at 400mg a week plus only at 12 weeks.. Maybe u will see something if u ran 400mg for 16 weeks (but don't do that because u will cause me harm then good)

Sustanon 250mg every two weeks is nothing that trt levels (do u know what trt is? Testosterone replacement treatment)

My guess that ur bloating is because ur not running an AI (what does AI mean?! Aromatase inhibitor) research what it does if u don't have one or know what it is..

Great job on ur losing weight. But there could be several reasons why the weight loss has came to a halt.
1. Ur eating over ur TDEE
2. U have slowed down ur metabolism
3. Ur eating the wrong foods
4. Ur training properly
The list goes on

IMO
1.I would stop the drugs go on pct
2. Research, research and more research what drugs ur putting into ur body and what they do
3. Find ur tdee. See if ur eating that total in a day (if ur eating over that number then lower 500 calories below ur tdee : if ur eating below ur tdee and are stuck up ur cardio and slowly add in calories until ur metabolism is back up to par.
4. Plan a prop cycle and come back here and post it and see what people think. (we are only here to help u beside lovbtys he will steer you in the wrong direction jk Haha inside joke)

[iEKOS]

OK, thank you soo much for your answers and I'm soo glad I cam here. THANK YOU.

I'm soo peeed with myself now. I normally don't just gulp and I tend to research. The friend is very close and I trust him. I'm in the UK and the gear is from our NHS (National Health Service) which I assumed its the best in quality and trusted his advice etc etc. You learn something new every day.

1) First I will stop. Today I stabbed (4th week just Primobolan). My worry is, understanding what EXACTLY I need and the right amount of PCT to get me back to normal (sigh). I have noidea what Clomid 75,50,50,50 and Nolva 40, 20,20,20 means Can you please explain what the numbers mean as I read more about it. I feel like a dick
2) By taking what I have, have i caused problems in my body (long term)?

Once again, thank you.

[tice1212]

OK, thank you soo much for your answers and I'm soo glad I cam here. THANK YOU.

I'm soo peeed with myself now. I normally don't just gulp and I tend to research. The friend is very close and I trust him. I'm in the UK and the gear is from our NHS (National Health Service) which I assumed its the best in quality and trusted his advice etc etc. You learn something new every day.

1) First I will stop. Today I stabbed (4th week just Primobolan). My worry is, understanding what EXACTLY I need and the right amount of PCT to get me back to normal (sigh). I have noidea what Clomid 75,50,50,50 and Nolva 40, 20,20,20 means Can you please explain what the numbers mean as I read more about it. I feel like a dick
2) By taking what I have, have i caused problems in my body (long term)?

Once again, thank you.

Everything will be ok bro. now lets fix this..

Have u used the sust yet? Or just the primo?

1.Pct: the numbers are the milligrams. And each number is 7 days of that dosage.. So this shows u 4 weeks..
Clomid@ 75mg, 50mg, 50mg, 50mg

Nolva@ 40mg, 20mg, 20mg, 20mg
Go to the site sponsor ar-r and get ur pct or ur source..

2. Since it has only been 4 weeks u can still jump start ur natural test pretty fast..

[iEKOS]

Ahh ok, got it.

So this is what I took so far:

Week 1: Primo 400 + Sust 250
Week 2: Primo 400
Week 3: Primo 400 + Sust 250
This Week: Primo 400

Rephrase: PS. My doctor is one my best friend (no he didn't give me the stuff). I think he can help reverse the process and get the Clomid & Nolva (after I get a telling off). Maybe he can prescribe me as it probably will be free in the UK.

[tice1212]

Ahh ok, got it.

So this is what I took so far:

Week 1: Primo 400 + Sust 250
Week 2: Primo 400
Week 3: Primo 400 + Sust 250
This Week: Primo 400

PS. My doctor is my best friend. I think he can help (after I get a telling off). Maybe he can prescribe me as it probably will be free in the UK.

Wow he prescribed ur primo?

[iEKOS]

No no.. he doesn't know. The gym friend gave me the stuff. The doctor friend will kill me once he finds out dude but he could get me the stuff your recommending to get me right again.. But if he can't or I choose not to tell him, what do I need?

So, I took:

Week 1: Primo 400 + Sust 250
Week 2: Primo 400
Week 3: Primo 400 + Sust 250
This Week: Primo 400

[Times Roman]

Did I read that right? only five months in the gym?

if so, not nearly enough time. You will end up hurting or injuring yourself. You need a few solid years in the gym just to toughen up your connective tissue. Muscular strength responds nicely to AAS, but tendon/ligament strength, not so much. in fact, many newbs hurt themselves and end up with shoulder or elbow pains or worse because of lack of time in the gym.

Give yourself three to (preferably) five years in the gym before thinking of steroids. It took you 37 years to get to where you are today. Don't expect miracles in the next few months.

[iEKOS]

Did I read that right? only five months in the gym?

if so, not nearly enough time. You will end up hurting or injuring yourself. You need a few solid years in the gym just to toughen up your connective tissue. Muscular strength responds nicely to AAS, but tendon/ligament strength, not so much. in fact, many newbs hurt themselves and end up with shoulder or elbow pains or worse because of lack of time in the gym.

Give yourself three to (preferably) five years in the gym before thinking of steroids. It took you 37 years to get to where you are today. Don't expect miracles in the next few months.

I hear ya and I feel stupid.

I did it not to take a short cut but due to the pain and recovery. It took me two or three days to stop my joints from hurting and I dunno, I assumed the gear would help me recover quicker so I can get back in.

I'm whipping the board clean and starting again. First I need to reverse what I've done then move to look at Nutritional, Weight Loss and Exercise.

AT: tice1212's or anyone else, What PCT's am I taking please considering what I've used so far?

[tice1212]

I hear ya and I feel stupid.

I did it not to take a short cut but due to the pain and recovery. It took me two or three days to stop my joints from hurting and I dunno, I assumed the gear would help me recover quicker so I can get back in.

I'm whipping the board clean and starting again. First I need to reverse what I've done then move to look at Nutritional, Weight Loss and Exercise.

AT: tice1212's or anyone else, What PCT's am I taking please considering what I've used so far?

I gave u the put line what pct to use.. Start two weeks after ur last sust injection..

[iEKOS]

I gave u the put line what pct to use.. Start two weeks after ur last sust injection..

Ok,

Please remember, I've only taken the Sust 250 only twice. So your recommendation is final?

Thanks allot dude, really appreciate everyones advice and help.

[got fina?]

First let me start by saying the cycle you are on is wrong and not benefiting you in any way. It is not your fault however, since you are determined to fight back this fat and you had no where to turn to, so you listened to this friend. I do give you tons of credit though for wanting to change and the results you have made thus far are great.

The reason why you should stop this cycle ASAP is because you nor your friend have the slightest idea what you are doing. You also don't know how to finish this cycle with a PCT. This will end up back firing and you will end up looking worse that you do now. Im also guessing you are doing this cycle at a high percentage of body fat. This is a huge mistake IMO, and will backfire big time as well as giving you almost nothing in the looks department. It might just make your strength go up a little, but your body fat will remain the same and you will end up looking like a puffy version of your current self. Which already sounds like its happening by you stating that your stomach, which took so much work to loose, is coming back big time!

I also think the biggest changes you will see are going to start now, since you have found this forum and no longer need to take advice from people that don't know too much, like this friend that gave you these steroids and advised you on how to take them.

Start by jumping off of this cycle and doing a PCT. Post cycle therapy. This will get your test and other numbers back to where they should be naturally, pretty quickly. After reading on how to do this PCT, go see doc and get blood work so we know all is back to normal.

Go to the diet section on this forum, and start reading up on cutting diets. You can also look at the "how to cut sample diet" and get an idea of how you diet will look like.
Once you have designed a cutting diet, continue going to the gym, of course and follow this cutting diet to the letter.

Once you have dropped enough body fat where you are sitting at around 12-14 % body fat, you can come back to the cycling section of the forum and take it from there. BTW, all you will need for you PCT can be bought from the site sponsor AR-R.

With the determination you are showing to poses, I think you will be successful at achieving your goals. It just sucks having this great determination and not having the knowledge to get there. It drove me nuts at one point too. Until i found this great forum, years ago and mastered the art of dieting. So know that you are on the right track now.

Good luck dude!!

[Times Roman]

I hear ya and I feel stupid.

I did it not to take a short cut but due to the pain and recovery. It took me two or three days to stop my joints from hurting and I dunno, I assumed the gear would help me recover quicker so I can get back in.

I'm whipping the board clean and starting again. First I need to reverse what I've done then move to look at Nutritional, Weight Loss and Exercise.

AT: tice1212's or anyone else, What PCT's am I taking please considering what I've used so far?

Use the right tool for the right job. You are on the right track, just wrong compound. If you are injured, or are rehabbing, suggest TB500. I call it the "healing peptide". It's pretty damn good actually, and many here will agree, I'm sure.

If you would like to find out more about this compound, follow the link in my signature. Of all the people I've suggested trying, and actually have, there have been at least a couple of dozen that I know of that have tried it, and maybe only one or maybe two that said it didn't do much for them. But the rest said either completely healed in a short amount of time, or significant relief in a short amount of time.

Good luck!
---Roman

[iEKOS]

Thank you all. I've found my new family. I feel better this morning knowing what direction to take.

I'm going to do as I'm told. I've made an appointment with the doctors this morning.

Also on AR-R, I can't find the dosage I need? I've found Clomid at 75ml 35mg/ml. I have noidea what the numbers are. Also I can't find Nolva. The search brings up too many variations Can someone please link me the exact product and how many to get me back on track please. Also, are these oral?

Also, I'm in the UK. Will they ship to the UK? Or am I better finding a UK supplier?

[bifda]

The nolvadex is liquid tamox on AR site, but I looked earlier, it cost just as much as the product to ship so I'd find a uk supplier.

I'm in the uk too and was considering the tamox, but I can't justify paying that much.
GL

[iEKOS]

UPDATE:

Hi guys,

So, I went to see my doctor (who is also a close friennd of mine). Told him what I took (Got a telling off..).. I asked if I can be put on something to put my levels back to norm (PCT). Also directed him to all the research I did. Gave him the full story. I was hoping he would have given me something but it was a no. He told me many of his patients have gone through this and it all depended on the length of time I took it. In my case it's been 4 weeks. His words: "you haven't been on the stuff long enough for any other treatment". In 4 weeks, he wants to do a blood test (if I complain of any problems, eg not getting it up) then re-evaluate.

I didn't order from AR-R as the shipping cost is the same as the product and a little scared about customs here in the UK as I've been told it WILL get stopped?

What the fek do I do? It's bugging the hell out of me now. PCT my self or listen to the doctor? Whats my new family suggesting?

[derekkpapa1]

Of coarse the doc is taking the protocol approach.
ideal would be to get your hands on some nolva/clomid but if you don't have it now and have to order it online by the time you get it could be weeks.
At this point keep training eating clean get blood work as doc suggest and hopefully everything comes back normal as possible.
research and plan your first real cycle out next time and make sure you have everything you need before you start.
good luck let us know

[iEKOS]

Of coarse the doc is taking the protocol approach.
ideal would be to get your hands on some nolva/clomid but if you don't have it now and have to order it online by the time you get it could be weeks.
At this point keep training eating clean get blood work as doc suggest and hopefully everything comes back normal as possible.
research and plan your first real cycle out next time and make sure you have everything you need before you start.
good luck let us know

Thank you for that.

I just had a thought, I could ask around at the gym from one of the big lads. See if someone can get some, but that means I'm ignoring the doc? He's saying I haven't been on it long enough to stop anything and rather take more stuff then needed?

So the question really is, do I ignore him (as he is taking this obvious caution protocol), or take nolva and clomid?

I sound like a moaning bitch but I goto be sure dude..

[Temporary Accnt]

Your GP gave you sound advice. You dont need any SERM's - you'll be fine. Post up your blood work in a few weeks.