Aveed?

[Bodacious]

Anyone on here take this? If so how does it work? Do you have to take HGC and an AI with it?
5 shots a year that's seems like a pretty good plan.

[FakeLove]

It's a good product in that sense. I'm currently on Nebido, which is the same product made by other manufacturer. And the third brand of testosterone undecanoate is Reandron. So you can find quite a bit of information about using them by googling. With Nebido and Reandron it's 1000mg per shot while I believe Aveed is 750mg.

What I personally don't like about it in my case, is that it peaks quite high while the trough is very low. And being E2 sensitive it's really hard to control. This could improve over the time, but would take patience. A lots of it when thinking the injection frequency and when the manufacturer studies say that the steady levels are reached in between 3rd and 5th injections. But that's just my case, don't let it necessarily affect to your decision.

HCG you can use with it like with any other esters, good protocols available for that. Using it with long ester you don't need to worry about timing of it that much.

I have to take AI unfortunately, but there's many who don't need. You just need to find out yourself if you manage without. Still, it's a good idea to have it on hand if needed.

But if you feel good while on it and don't run into any problems, injecting only a couple of times per year being on trt is quite a good thing.

There's a thread started by me about Nebido on this forum, if you're interested. It contains some lab data.

[Simon1972]

i havent reserched this at all, i assumed test injected subQ gets absorbed over a longer period compared to IM injections, so this may minimise the spike??

[human project]

i havent reserched this at all, i assumed test injected subQ gets absorbed over a longer period compared to IM injections, so this may minimise the spike??

I've herd that sub q test injections result in a lower amount of conversion to estrogen... I don't know it this is true tho I just remember reading it somewhere.. I'm sure a quick google search should shed some light on the topic

[lovbyts]

I've herd that sub q test injections result in a lower amount of conversion to estrogen... I don't know it this is true tho I just remember reading it somewhere.. I'm sure a quick google search should shed some light on the topic

Yes for 2 reasons. 1 it absorbs slower through the fat than muscle and most people who do it also cut their amount in 1/2 and inject 2x a week thus lowering spikes and less chance of estrogen conversion.

[Simon1972]

Yes for 2 reasons. 1 it absorbs slower through the fat than muscle and most people who do it also cut their amount in 1/2 and inject 2x a week thus lowering spikes and less chance of estrogen conversion.

so based on that reasoning alone, would one benefit from a subQ for both conversion and slowing down absorption/lowering spike?

humanproject--->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n98L...ature=youtu.be

yes you read right.

[lovbyts]

^^^^ watched the video. That's what I said.

[Simon1972]

^^^^ watched the video. That's what I said.

ok ok..credit to you too lovbyts

[FakeLove]

Undecanoate is quite expensive and while subQ automatically means more frequent injections it feels like it wouldn't make sense to do frequent subQ's with a slow ester? At least when there's cheaper options available, that are proven to work on that purpose. I've seen a lab data of only one patient doing subQ Undecanoate injections and accumulation became a problem there quite fast, so he switched back to IM injections. Other information about it being used subQ I haven't found.

In terms of practicality Undecanoate would be a really convenient to use (even IM) if you respond to it like the manufacturer says you should. Meaning at peak it would take you close to the range max and at trough you would still be around mid range or slightly below. That would be still controllable and would mean only few injections per year.

Even though it didn't work for me with a standard protocol, I believe on this forum there's happy users injecting every 8 to 12 weeks.