How is my epi cycle?

[JG93]

This is a cutting cycle, current stats
Height: 5'10
Weight: 190
BF:18-20%


Calories a day intake: 1500-1926
5 day/w workout (2 on power) 1 off (3 on hypertrophy 1) off



Here is my Cycle and PCT.

Epistane 6 weeks:

Epistane: 30/40/40/40/40/30

Multi vitamin
TUDCA (250mg per cap, how many caps? 2? 500 mg a day?)
Cycle Support
Saw palmetto
Taurine
Protein etc..

Pct:
Pc support
Saw palmetto
Nolva 40/40/20/20
exemistane- on hand just in case
taurine
Multi vit
Protein etc..
TUDCA for the first 2 weeks of PCT(250mg per cap, how many caps? 2? 500mg a day?)


Is a cortisol a necessity?

How does this look? Any changes or additions?

I appreciate it.
My goals:
Lose about 8% BF or more
Gain 15Lbs of lean muscle
Increase strength by 20lbs across the board


This is a first cycle, i have done my research. As always, there is more to do, which i will continue to do.

am i missing anything? anything to change? do better? dosage?

Thanks in advance.

[NACH3]

Your not getting the point where your age(too young) and oral only cycles are a waste of time and money along w/possible life altering events(not always) but your at a much greater risk than one who's waiting til 25+(so your HPTA is fully matured) and your not running testosterone on cycle! I'm not suggesting this as your too young!!

Just get your diet dialed in - when that's in check that is where/when you see results!

Plus PHs are more hepatoxic than AAS - train hard eat bigger

[JG93]

Your not getting the point where your age(too young) and oral only cycles are a waste of time and money along w/possible life altering events(not always) but your at a much greater risk than one who's waiting til 25+(so your HPTA is fully matured) and not running testosterone on any cycle! I'm not suggesting this!

Just get your diet dialed in - when that's in check that is where/when you see results!

Plus PHs are more hepatoxic than AAS - train hard eat bigger

I appreciate it, respect that as well. Im pretty set on cycling though.

i have everything already, just making sure i am 100% correct.

Im not sure i understand the "your not getting the point"? i was never given a point?
I am interested in like i said, one cycle.

also, EPI has great results, from any research i have done. i havent found one bad review on EPI either. few things here and there on the sides, but nothing serious.

either way, thank you.

[uhit]

I appreciate it, respect that as well. Im pretty set on cycling though.

i have everything already, just making sure i am 100% correct.

Im not sure i understand the "your not getting the point"? i was never given a point?
I am interested in like i said, one cycle.

also, EPI has great results, from any research i have done. i havent found one bad review on EPI either. few things here and there on the sides, but nothing serious.

either way, thank you.

How sustainable are the gains post cycle though. The thing is, if you can't gain properly/efficiently at our young age without substances such as AAS... then what the hell do we do in PCT when the drive to go to the gym isn't there and are feeling like crap? It's all nice and dandy that you are using a PH to assist you, but if you can't keep majority of the mass then it's just a waste of time and at 5'10 190lbs with that body fat I can easily see you have room to grow. I'm 5'8 165lbs 12-15% and probably won't cycle until I can hit 170-175lb in the same lean condition I am in now. If that means waiting another year to achieve that goal then so be it, at least I'll know that I can continue progressing after cycling etc and won't have to rely solely on the drugs.

[davidtheman100]

I appreciate it, respect that as well. Im pretty set on cycling though.

i have everything already, just making sure i am 100% correct.

Im not sure i understand the "your not getting the point"? i was never given a point?
I am interested in like i said, one cycle.

also, EPI has great results, from any research i have done. i havent found one bad review on EPI either. few things here and there on the sides, but nothing serious.

either way, thank you.

You cannot build permanent tissue with a weak pro hormone that is meant for hardening at 18-20% bf in 4 weeks.. You will lose all the gains once you come off and your natural testosterone production (That is already high) will be shut down.. And you will further be losing muscle while trying to recover it.. and at your age cycling and risking damage to your developing HTPA you actually may never recover and have low T for life and have a VERY HARD TIME building muscle and keeping fat off when you easily could have learnt how to eat correctly and train correctly in our sections here on this website and make PERMANENT TISSUE GAINS.. Buttt you did not want to... I suggest stopping RIGHT NOW or not doing it because you don't want the issues that could come in the future and the gains will be little to none..

All the people you see doing epistane logs on pro hormone websites are usually fat people who don't know what they're doing or reps who are trying to sell the products and say they'll give crazy results... If you were to ask for my honest opinion i'd say to stick around on this website and whatever questions you have, you either ask someone here (who would be more than happy to help you) or look it up in the search engine here and LEARN LEARN LEARN.. bodybuilding is all about consistency, diet, being able to stimulate the fibers to build muscle and being able to work hard and stay disciplined. Taking a pro hormone at your age to build muscle when you haven't even paid any dues yet is the OPPOSITE of all of that...Which means you will not last if continued!!!! This forum WILL teach you how to GROW GROW GROW and how to eat to grow... They'll teach you how to cut and get to low bodyfat percentages....You'll learn it's all at your disposal..And when you're of age to cycle..You'll be taught how to cycle safely and correctly..You're in the perfect place which many people wish they had when they were younger when they didn't know what they were doing. It all comes down to whether or not you want to take advantage of it Good luck man

[The Deadlifting Dog]

OP,

In order for you to hit you goals of gaining 15lbs of muscle and losing 8% bodyfat you would have to:
Gain 15lbs of muscle while losing 15lbs of fat.
There is no shot in hell that a 6 week cycle of epistane is going to get you those results.
You wouldn't even be able to gain 15lbs of muscle while losing no fat in 6 weeks.

Please do not do your cycle.
You are going to cause more harm than good.
Do some research.

[JG93]

OP,

In order for you to hit you goals of gaining 15lbs of muscle and losing 8% bodyfat you would have to:
Gain 15lbs of muscle while losing 15lbs of fat.
There is no shot in hell that a 6 week cycle of epistane is going to get you those results.
You wouldn't even be able to gain 15lbs of muscle while losing no fat in 6 weeks.

Please do not do your cycle.
You are going to cause more harm than good.
Do some research.

im not going to say i disagree with you, based on you have plentiful experience compared to me.. what i will say,
is that i have seen is a 6 week epistane cycle produce killer results

obviously based on diet, training....
which both of mine are on par.

the epi i believe WILL give me gains, but most improtantly will give me the CUTTING that i want.

most important is cutting, and agree, i would have to gain 15 and lose 15.

more realisticly, i want to tighten the skin, and lose BF.
I think anyone that tells me Epistane Wont do that, is lieing to me..

Again, i appreciate all the knowledge in here.
im not trying to come off hard headed, but all the things im being told, are the really just not weighing enough for me not to.

im not asking anyone should i do it, im asking for advice on how to safely do this.

Thank you.

[Back In Black]

Post before and after pics, no way you are going to get anywhere near losing 15lbs of fat and gaining 15lbs of muscle on this plan, no matter how perfect your diet and training might be.

It won't tighten your skin either.

Way too many risks to you compared to reward benefits, hope you listen to these guys and don't follow your plan though.