First Cycle for Muscle Atrophy

[wastedmuscle]

Hey all,

Sorry for the lengthy post.

I have been reading this board and others for a bit and my situation is definitely a little different. I have some ideas but need some serious help. I am a 35 yr old male that was born with clubfoot. My feet were literally crushed in the womb. I had surgery on both feet as a baby. My muscles from the knee down have always been extremely weak, atrophy from surgery and casting and this is often very impossible to come back from. The odds have been against me. I am a hardliner in the gym, nearly 17 years and I am relatively okay for a natural lifter. 182 lbs, 6'2", bench 300, pull-ups 36 reps or 90lbs for 5-8 reps, stuff like that. Not totally bad. My diet is well controlled. My testosterone sits in the high 400s.

Lately have noticed strength gains in lower limbs after insane volume but these seem to be halting. In comes cycling.

I want to see if a cycle or two can change my situation for the better. I believe at the very least I will get a little stronger in the lower limbs and this can have a huge positive impact on my kids and I, especially mobility. I believe I will eventually find a doctor willing to prescribe. I have no connections for gear so I am trying aging clinics etc. first.

To the point. What would be a great first cycle for this type of situation? What would a doctor be prone to prescribe in this situation (e.g. Deca, Test, etc)?

Any help would be great. Thanks

[numbere]

Welcome to the forum!

A concern that I have is that AAS can be hard on weak connective tissue. This is do to the fact that an increase in strength comes very rapidly. If one doesn't have several years of training then ligament or tendon tears can occur. Please have a read over the attached thread written by one of our members. After reading post any questions here that you might have. Also, first cycles are test only.

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[wastedmuscle]

Welcome to the forum!

A concern that I have is that AAS can be hard on weak connective tissue. This is do to the fact that an increase in strength comes very rapidly. If one doesn't have several years of training then ligament or tendon tears can occur. Please have a read over the attached thread written by one of our members. After reading post any questions here that you might have. Also, first cycles are test only.

Your concern is my concern too. At the risk of turning this thread into bodybuilding forum I have been training this area of my body for a long time but really stepped it up the last 6 months with a lot of mobility work (very stiff everything) and strength training...to the point of overtraining. Daily work with heavy days too. It is definitely weak connective tissue. Over the years, I most definitely have plateaued. After 17 years of lifting I really do know a plateau and nutrition and hard work alone is not going to fix this.

I read the linked thread as if it were gospel a little while back. This is what I was going to do discuss with the doc, basically lead him in this direction.

Do you think a test cycle will produce muscular gains just like a deca cycle? Is there something better to help prevent or even help strengthen tendons and ligaments?

[william981125]

Your concern is my concern too. At the risk of turning this thread into bodybuilding forum I have been training this area of my body for a long time but really stepped it up the last 6 months with a lot of mobility work (very stiff everything) and strength training...to the point of overtraining. Daily work with heavy days too. It is definitely weak connective tissue. Over the years, I most definitely have plateaued. After 17 years of lifting I really do know a plateau and nutrition and hard work alone is not going to fix this.

I read the linked thread as if it were gospel a little while back. This is what I was going to do discuss with the doc, basically lead him in this direction.

Do you think a test cycle will produce muscular gains just like a deca cycle? Is there something better to help prevent or even help strengthen tendons and ligaments?

I'm not sure about tendons or ligaments but test & deca cycle is also pretty common for first cycles. Just make sure u know what ur doing and since u said u have been training for 17 years then you must know what ur doing. Good luck.

[numbere]

I'm not sure about tendons or ligaments but test & deca cycle is also pretty common for first cycles. Just make sure u know what ur doing and since u said u have been training for 17 years then you must know what ur doing. Good luck.

If you're not sure about something then don't give advise.

You're correct test and deca cycles are common. You know what else is common? People who run a test and deca first cycle who then come here for advise on all the problems they are having.

[Joco71]

Hello and welcome. This^^^^^g2g .

[numbere]

I'm only here to give advise. What you do with that advise is completely your decision. I'm aware that no one knows their body better than themselves. However, connective tissue takes a long time to build. I think one needs about 4-5 years of dedicated training before getting into AAS.

You might want to think twice before speaking about AAS use with your doc. Medical history stays with you forever.

One reason test only should be a first cycle is because you will likely see no more gains from a test and deca cycle. You will likely see increased side effects. Save the deca for a future cycle when your body becomes less responsive to only test and you know you to better handle the various side effects. If one diets correctly and trains hard the muscle gains from a first test cycle can be astonishing.

[wastedmuscle]

I'm only here to give advise. What you do with that advise is completely your decision. I'm aware that no one knows their body better than themselves. However, connective tissue takes a long time to build. I think one needs about 4-5 years of dedicated training before getting into AAS.

You might want to think twice before speaking about AAS use with your doc. Medical history stays with you forever.

One reason test only should be a first cycle is because you will likely see no more gains from a test and deca cycle. You will likely see increased side effects. Save the deca for a future cycle when your body becomes less responsive to only test and you know you to better handle the various side effects. If one diets correctly and trains hard the muscle gains from a first test cycle can be astonishing.

Thanks again, I really appreciate any input. This is something that has been on my mind for a decade or two. I really have trained the hell out of them for years and years but we all know that the muscles of the lower leg do not respond easy and then you add in my misfortunes and I now have a double negative going on making it really hard to overcome. I started paying my dues in the gym a long time ago. I am a serious natural lifter (soon to be unnatural I guess). Basically the point is...I want you folks to know I am listening and 100% agree with the need to put years of work in before trying a cycle. I am nervous as hell.

I want to add two inches of muscle from the calve (super high insertion) to the ankle. This is the goal and I realize it will take a ton of time and effort with the help of some Test. I am not excited to approach a doctor about this but my wife is a nurse and insists I go this route. Where I grew up was a juicers haven with literally espn world's strongmen lifting (boy do they look sickly now). I had connections there, I have none where I am located.

[wastedmuscle]

Forgot to add, has anyone here approached a doctor about this sort of thing? Are they cool with prescribing Testosterone enanthate at 500 mg a week (two injections per week like the stickied post above suggests)? I have a feeling it is not going to be easy to get a prescription exactly on par with what the sticked post suggests. I only want a short term run of two or so cycles. I am not even sure how to say that to a doctor. I know I will likely have to go to one of those aging clinics you can do televisits with.

[bigdil511]

Forgot to add, has anyone here approached a doctor about this sort of thing? Are they cool with prescribing Testosterone enanthate at 500 mg a week (two injections per week like the stickied post above suggests)? I have a feeling it is not going to be easy to get a prescription exactly on par with what the sticked post suggests. I only want a short term run of two or so cycles. I am not even sure how to say that to a doctor. I know I will likely have to go to one of those aging clinics you can do televisits with.

are you serious? A doctor won't give you a script for cycling doses. What you're talking about is trt and the most you're likely to get is 200 per week. Dont tell a dr you want to cycle that's a real bad move imo.

[wastedmuscle]

are you serious? A doctor won't give you a script for cycling doses. What you're talking about is trt and the most you're likely to get is 200 per week. Dont tell a dr you want to cycle that's a real bad move imo.

I suck at this so I am definitely serious. Even for muscle wasting disorders I can't say something like this? Also, is 200 mg going to do anything for muscle growth? Maybe 200 would be good that way the weaker tissues are not pushed to hard? Again I suck at this part. Thanks

[wastedmuscle]

Alright guys, update time.

So I have a medical doctor that has verified my muscle atrophy. He noted this in a physical and gave me the paper work to take with me to a test clinic. This test clinic is pretty popular (don't want to disclose source at this time or ever really). The doctor is willing to hear me out. They provide scripts from their compounding pharmacy. I am guessing that if I get a certain amount of test up front I could just stack it an run a basic test cycle anyways. I truly don't want problems. I just want to reclaim functionality and size.

I feel like as long as I am honest in stating that yes I mildly lower test levels and yes I want to build my atrophied muscles then maybe the doc will be will to prescribe a real muscle building protocol. I have a legit documented reason for seeking anabolic intervention.

How would you go about discussing?

If all else fails I will be forced to use an UGL. Funny how the U.S. system of medicine is so hell bent against anabolic even if the anabolics are used for the very reason they're suppose to be prescribed. Now some poor idiot like me has to consider going the UGL route instead of safe monitoring. SMH.