Suggested 2nd Cycle

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I completed the suggested successful first cycle from the sticky two weeks ago and I'm about to start the PCT. I have a couple questions:

-should I continue the Hcg through the PCT or drop it and go with the Clomid and nolva only?

-how long should I wait before cycle number 2? 12 weeks of 16 week?

-is there a suggested 2nd cycle? What compound should I add to test? I prefer to stay away from 19nor steroids. My buddy is a successful bodybuilder and suggested adding EQ. Someone else suggested primo. Thoughts?

Thanks!

[Quester]

Stop HCG 3 days before PCT-The length of time between end of cycle and PCT is determined by the Esters.
BW will tell you when to cycle again. -Bloodwork is cheap with most health insurance.
What you use in acycle is determined by your goal: gain or cut not both.
There's plenty of info on here to answer all of these questions without exposing yourself to harassment for not doing due diligence prior to doing your first cycle.

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Thanks quester. I understand what you're saying but I'm asking because not everything is cut and dry. Many experienced bodybuilders will have varying opinions on the same topic. Take diet for example - some say carbs are find every meal, some say carb cycle, some say Keto. I've been a student of this stuff for years before I even did my first cycle. I'm 31 years old and my goal was to never cycle until I could honestly say I reached the peak of what I could accomplish with proper diet and nutrition naturally. So I have no idea how I am "exposing myself to harassment" haha. Also, I don't know what kind of insurance/doctor you have, but I can't just go get bloodwork any time I want. I was gonna order a test off of privatemdlabs. How do you pull that off?

[magic32]

HCG, Clomid, and Nolva in a first cycle???

Suggestions for 2nd cycle:
Train harder
Diet cleaner
Test/Deca only
Sleep well
Reduce compounds

[magic32]

HCG, Clomid, and Nolva in a first cycle???

Suggestions for 2nd cycle:
Train harder
Diet cleaner
Test/Deca only
Sleep well
Reduce compounds

[Couchlock]

HCG, Clomid, and Nolva in a first cycle???

Suggestions for 2nd cycle:
Train harder
Diet cleaner
Test/Deca only
Sleep well
Reduce compounds

If your using a suppressive hormone, hcg is a must

If your using test esters, Arimidex is a must.

If you want to recover, Clomid and Nolva are a must

[Couchlock]

4 2nd cycle I would run test propionate test cypionate and Winstrol

[tice1212]

How did ur first cycle go? Before and after pictures?

[Couchlock]

How did ur first cycle go? Before and after pictures?

Got pics on ending cycle Monday thread

[Mr.BB]

HCG, Clomid, and Nolva in a first cycle???

Suggestions for 2nd cycle:
Train harder
Diet cleaner
Test/Deca only
Sleep well
Reduce compounds

Its really bad advice to suggest deca on a 2nd cycle to someone who dont want to risk very suppressive compounds. You really need to update yourself, this is 2016 ffs.

OP, add one oral. Dbol if you want to bulk, or winny if you prefer leaner gains.

If you had success with test only there's really no reason to add more compounds. I know it is in our nature to want to experiment more, but make sure you know the risks and possible outcomes.

[tice1212]

Its really bad advice to suggest deca on a 2nd cycle to someone who dont want to risk very suppressive compounds. You really need to update yourself, this is 2016 ffs.

OP, add one oral. Dbol if you want to bulk, or winny if you prefer leaner gains.

If you had success with test only there's really no reason to add more compounds. I know it is in our nature to want to experiment more, but make sure you know the risks and possible outcomes.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Like ur a ar-elite. But I guess that doesn't matter.

Op if I was ur get though this pct. And get ur time off. Realize and understand how to keep the size u gained during this cycle.

2nd cycle I feel is good is to though an oral into the mix

I truly love dbol. The feeling I get off of dbol is incredibly and the strength is great too.

BTW people keep sleeping on these sarms. I have ran a bunch of cycles and 10mg of lgd is pretty impressive

So maybe something like this

1-14wks 500mg test c or e (14 weeks)
1-4wks 40mg of dbol (4weeks)
4-6wks 60mg of dbol (2 more weeks if u can handle the first 4 weeks
6-14wks 10g lgd

Adex 1mg eod

Liv52 tabs

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Thank you all very much for the feedback. Like I said I have been training and obsessively researching and experimenting ways to get the best results naturally for the last 10 years. I decided a few years ago that I was going to try AAS and I've been trying to learn as much as possible. The first cycle went well. No sides besides a little acne. The AI helped keep estrogen in check and I met the goals I had laid out - 10 lbs of lean body mass gained. I went from 3 reps to 10 reps of 225 on the bench. Over 10 reps within 225 on the squat and deadlift. I do a mix of strength and hypertrophic as I am striving for a vintage aesthetic physique.

Tice1212 thanks for listing out a cycle. I will probably try something like that after I take the appropriate time off. I would love post before/after pics but I didn't take any before pics what I can say is that I went from 168lbs to 178lbs while maintaining 14-16%bf (I'm 5'9").

My next goal is to maintain as much lean muscle and strength while dropping body fat to 10%

Mr.BB - you said winny would be a good addition to a cutting cycle - what would be your suggested test/winny/Hcg/arimidex dosages?

Would you suggest just going another test only cycle with clen/dnp/or an ECA stack?

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Tice1212 your back is very impressive by the way. And you have solid conditioning. What type of cardio do you do. I've bounced back and forth between HIIT and steady state. I've also recently tried tabatta style circuits. Still can't seem to reach that 10%/sub 10% bf I'm aiming for.

[kelkel]

The first test only cycle worked for you. What's wrong with another one? Keep it simple.

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Nothing wrong with a test only cycle again but my goal for the next cycle is to keep as much muscle and strength while dropping to 8-10% body fat. If I added a compound to help cut. Would I get anything out of a test only 3rd cycle in the fall?

Also what would you suggest for a basic cutting cycle this summer?

[Couchlock]

Nothing wrong with a test only cycle again but my goal for the next cycle is to keep as much muscle and strength while dropping to 8-10% body fat. If I added a compound to help cut. Would I get anything out of a test only 3rd cycle in the fall?

Also what would you suggest for a basic cutting cycle this summer?

Gains rely on diet, and proper recovery through pct.

Cutting compounds include
Winstrol (stanzolol)
Anavar (oxlandrolone)
Masterone (drostanolone)
Equipose
Of course tren

A few others but these are the bulk of them, no pun intended.