Are the benefits of both Var and winny worth stacking?

[Riss86]

Hi all,
I am currently around 18% body fat and have been packing on muscle for the past three months and need some help to lean out. Cardio is on point, running between 15-20 miles a week. Diet is at about 1,200 calories per day with 50-60% of that being protein and low to moderate carb. I know most will say 1,200 is not enough BUT I've tried more calories than that and just gain weight way too easily, very difficult for me to loose even with the amount of cardio. I have access to Clen, Var and Winny. It was recommended that I stack Var and Winny to start cutting up. I cycled with Var a year ago and it was only Var. Suggestions?

[charger69]

You need to provide stats age, height, weight, etc.

First of all, AAS does not burn fat, it preserves muscle during a caloric deficit. At face value, it looks like you have things correct, but lets take a look at the details. 1200 sounds very low.
Provide your diet and your cardio frequency. I am assuming 4-5 miles per day 5 days per week. Do you use a heart rate monitor? If so, how many bpm?

[Riss86]

Age 30
Height 5'4
Weight 135-137

Runs 3x per week 5-6 mile runs. BPM for straight runs are about 158....sprints I can jack it up to 178-181 according to monitor and my heart rate is back to 127 in a minute.

Diet is repetitive, the only thing I have not changed which I am thinking of doing is the timing of when I eat
Morning- 2 full eggs 1 egg white 8am with or without turkey (wake up at 6 am)
Lunch- 3 ounces of chicken usually with a low GI starch squash or other veg 1pm
Isopure protein shake before gym 3pm
Dinner- 3 ounces of chicken in large salad or a repeat of what I had for lunch 6pm
If I get hungry after dinner I sometimes have unsweetened coconut yogurt with crushed almonds in it
THIS IS GENERALLY HOW MONDAY TO FRIDAY LOOKS DURING THE WORK WEEK

*ALSO having thyroid levels checked tomorrow since weight has been so hard to take off

[Batmanreturns]

One could see great results with Var + Winny if the protocols are correct.

I recommend this to guys I work with:
Days 1-3 125p 100c 90 mins pre weights 30f
Day 4 150p 350c 60f

Repeat to desired body fat ..

[Jonbana]

One could see great results with Var + Winny if the protocols are correct.

I recommend this to guys I work with:
Days 1-3 125p 100c 90 mins pre weights 30f
Day 4 150p 350c 60f

Repeat to desired body fat ..

on you're low protein low carb day you have low fats..ok.... on high carb day you have higher fats... make zero sense and 125G of protein when cutting are you nuts? lol

[jstone]

Your only eating 9-12 ounces of chicken a couple eggs and a shake according to this. Thats not 1200 calories. What your eating is only one meal in reality. I was your size in 8th grade. You need to eat more, theres no way what you posted is 1200 calories.

[jstone]

on you're low protein low carb day you have low fats..ok.... on high carb day you have higher fats... make zero sense and 125G of protein when cutting are you nuts? lol

He only weighs 135 pounds so that is close to 1 gram oer pound. I agree he should eat more, but 125 would probably be sufficient.

[Batmanreturns]

on you're low protein low carb day you have low fats..ok.... on high carb day you have higher fats... make zero sense and 125G of protein when cutting are you nuts? lol

Not sure what you're saying bro lol

[songdog]

I would suggest you hit the diet section something isnt right here.I would die on that diet.

[Mr.BB]

Guys the OP is female.

Riss, you shouldnt focus so much on number on the scale, focus on the mirror.

Muscles weight more than fat, the advised cycle for you is anavar only, and if done properly you might gain weight but look much more muscular.

Make sure you know all the side effects, and that you have real anavar as it is the most faked compound out there.

As for the diet, 1200 cals is not sustainable for a healthy active female. Your body will adapt by lowering your metabolism, shutting down non essential things, which can make you very tired and prone to diseases. Plus it will hold on to fat reserves and canabilize muscles, which in turn will further lower the metabolism.

If you eat low carbs it is normal to gain weight immediately after increasing carbs, it is mostly water, as for each extra gram of glycogen stored it will also need to store 4grams of water.

Shutting down your metabolism is not the way to look better, or be healthy, and will make your possible cycle unproductive.

[Batmanreturns]

Guys the OP is female.

Riss, you shouldnt focus so much on number on the scale, focus on the mirror.

Muscles weight more than fat, the advised cycle for you is anavar only, and if done properly you might gain weight but look much more muscular.

Make sure you know all the side effects, and that you have real anavar as it is the most faked compound out there.

As for the diet, 1200 cals is not sustainable for a healthy active female. Your body will adapt by lowering your metabolism, shutting down non essential things, which can make you very tired and prone to diseases. Plus it will hold on to fat reserves and canabilize muscles, which in turn will further lower the metabolism.

If you eat low carbs it is normal to gain weight immediately after increasing carbs, it is mostly water, as for each extra gram of glycogen stored it will also need to store 4grams of water.

Shutting down your metabolism is not the way to look better, or be healthy, and will make your possible cycle unproductive.

lol at the OP is female, were to busy being right about everything to notice ..

I'm a fan of alternating high and low calories days, or carb cycling, to avoid metabolic issues

Any science to back up the body using muscle muscle for energy when there is available fat?
The only situation I can think of this happening is when the heart rate is too high to oxidize body fat, depleted.

[wellshii]

Heavy exercise at your height shows your tdee at 2,486 calories a day. The diet you listed puts you at 905 calories a day(i actually over estimated a little just for safe measure like sauces etc).
Your asking to stack DHT derived AAS and your female? Please read the diet section as well as google terms like
BMR,TDEE, cutting etc. I would like to tell you everything on this one post,but that would require a pretty lengthy post and hours on my end.
If you get your hormones checked,they might be out of whack just due to the starvation mode your body may be in.
Also I hope your taking a multi with iron,iodime,choline and omegas 3 and 6 for that huge nutrient deficiency you'll soon be in(if your already not. )
In summary, lower your TDEE and up your macros.
Do some more research regarding dieting .

[charger69]

[QUOTE="Mr.BB"]Guys the OP is female.
LOL. Missed that.

[Juced_porkchop]

Hi all,
I am currently around 18% body fat and have been packing on muscle for the past three months and need some help to lean out. Cardio is on point, running between 15-20 miles a week. Diet is at about 1,200 calories per day with 50-60% of that being protein and low to moderate carb. I know most will say 1,200 is not enough BUT I've tried more calories than that and just gain weight way too easily, very difficult for me to loose even with the amount of cardio. I have access to Clen, Var and Winny. It was recommended that I stack Var and Winny to start cutting up. I cycled with Var a year ago and it was only Var. Suggestions?

the thing is when you eat too little you go into starvation mode and fatloss stalls as your body tried to hold onto everything, so if you up cals you will gain more as your body adjusts, but longterm you will actually lose more.
you are eating too little IMO. and you can lose fat with no cardio. only reason i rec cardio is simply for health. i can get ripped without any cardio just from diet and lifting heavy and eating decent amount of food (way more than 1200cal)
you ARE starving yourself and i feel thats the issue here. yess you will notice gain as you eat more but you need to give your body time to adjust as it comes out of starvation mode.
also i rec having 1 cheat day a week where you eat alot. also i rec looking into "carb cycling for fatloss" ofcourse the cal # matters but manipulating carbs i found helps boost fatloss.
i would not run any cycle with no test (means what you mention) or think it will fix your issue here.
good luck

[Juced_porkchop]

ignore my comment on test, i did not realize you where female.
but you deff need more healthy fats and food in general. add fresh olive oil to everything IMO eat more nuts. generally go atleast 2x more food than what you are right now IMO

[Batmanreturns]

ignore my comment on test, i did not realize you where female.
but you deff need more healthy fats and food in general. add fresh olive oil to everything IMO eat more nuts. generally go atleast 2x more food than what you are right now IMO

I can't help myself I apologize in advance ..

OP I brought you a handful of nuts to eat

[jstone]

Thanks Mr.BB for pointing out riss is a female. I didn't see that anywhere in the post. Like everyone has said eat more food. Your weight is fine dont worry about it, and 18% bodyfat isn't very high for a female. Like juced_porkchop said your body is holding onto the fat because its not getting enough food.

Try consuming ateast 4-5 smaller meals per day to start. Eat your protein, and greans first. That way if your full your only missing out on some of your carbs. You can also implement a carb cut off time. Like 6pm after that time only eat protein, and fats. Vegetables dont really count towards you carbs for the day. So after 6pm only eat protein, and veggies with some fats. If you can add in some fasted cardio in the morning.

As far as using AAS, I think you can acheive what you want without them. All these compounds can have side effects that are irreversible. Even if your running the compounds that are generally considered safe for women.