Need Veteran Assistance!!!!

[Boneslapper2002]

I am looking into doing a TEST and HGH Cycle:

Blood Work:
Pre-Cycle
Mid Cycle
Post Cycle

Test 500 mg once EW for a 12 Week cycle dose will be split into 250mg E4 days
.5 mg adex EOD on cycle
250 iu HCG EOD on cycle
2 weeks after last pin PCT starts with:
40/20/20/20/20 Nolvadex
75/50/50/50 Clomid

Backup for Prolactin
Cabergoline (Dostinex)

HGH -For gaining lean muscle and substantially improving body composition
Weeks 1-4 = HGH 5 IU’s split into two injections ED
Week 5 = HGH 6 IU’s split into two injections ED
Week 6 = HGH 7 IU’s split into two injections ED
Week 7 = HGH 8 IU’s split into two injections ED
Week 8 thru Week 30 = HGH 10 IU’s split into two injections ED

Being that I am 49 yrs. old 5'9 219 lbs. 26% BF. I plan to inject the HGH both early morning around 4 am to 6 am and 8am to 10am due to this post I read which states. "For those that are between their late 20’s and early 50’s, there is still a reasonable chance that your own endogenous production of HGH is at a reasonable level. The best time to take and injection, this being the case, would be early morning …. After your body’s own release of HGH in the night. If you get up to go to the bathroom in the early morning (3 -5am), this is probably the perfect time to take a couple of units of HGH. This will be the least disruptive time to take an injection of HGH. The second best time would be first thing in the morning when you wake up."

Supplements I am taking now:

Chromium Picolinate 800 mcg ED
Orange Extract Powder (10 mg Synephrine) 20 mg ED
EGCG (Green Tea Extract 600 mg ED
Biotin 10K mcg ED
One A Day Multi vitamin ED

Please tell me if the above regimen sounds gtg.
1) Am I missing anything?
2) Is it ok to pin ED for with HGH?
3) Is the dose and frequency ok?
3) Do I need additional Lab Test for HGH?

Veteran thoughts please!!!

[ScotchGuard02]

I am looking into doing a TEST and HGH Cycle:

Blood Work:
Pre-Cycle
Mid Cycle
Post Cycle

Test 500 mg once EW for a 12 Week cycle dose will be split into 250mg E4 days
.5 mg adex EOD on cycle
250 iu HCG EOD on cycle
2 weeks after last pin PCT starts with:
40/20/20/20/20 Nolvadex
75/50/50/50 Clomid

Backup for Prolactin
Cabergoline (Dostinex) You're not taking a 19-nor compound. You don't need Caber. However, I do take a small amount every week. It helps me recover quicker after sex.

HGH -For gaining lean muscle and substantially improving body composition At 49, you'll find other WAY more important benefits from HGH. Better skin, better sleep, better concentration, less joint pain, etc.
Weeks 1-4 = HGH 5 IU’s split into two injections ED I would start with 2iu/ed. Just one shot of 2iu in the morning as soon as you wake up. Then increase by 1iu/ed until you hit 5iu/ed
Week 5 = HGH 6 IU’s split into two injections ED
Week 6 = HGH 7 IU’s split into two injections ED
Week 7 = HGH 8 IU’s split into two injections ED
Week 8 thru Week 30 = HGH 10 IU’s split into two injections ED At 10iu/ed you'll see some awesome results. You'll see your six packs even after a wild and crazy pizza party. LOL

Being that I am 49 yrs. old 5'9 219 lbs. 26% BF. I plan to inject the HGH both early morning around 4 am to 6 am and 8am to 10am due to this post I read which states. "For those that are between their late 20’s and early 50’s, there is still a reasonable chance that your own endogenous production of HGH is at a reasonable level. The best time to take and injection, this being the case, would be early morning …. After your body’s own release of HGH in the night. If you get up to go to the bathroom in the early morning (3 -5am), this is probably the perfect time to take a couple of units of HGH. This will be the least disruptive time to take an injection of HGH. The second best time would be first thing in the morning when you wake up."

My advice would be to run only HGH until your body fat is down to about 10%. At about 10% body fat, start your Test Cycle. At 26% body fat, there is too much chance of something going wrong during your Test cycle. BTW, endogenous production of HGH in my case (I'm in my 50's) just sucks. My personal observation is that the endogenous HGH level is below satisfactory in the 40's.

Supplements I am taking now:

Chromium Picolinate 800 mcg ED
Orange Extract Powder (10 mg Synephrine) 20 mg ED
EGCG (Green Tea Extract 600 mg ED
Biotin 10K mcg ED
One A Day Multi vitamin ED
Look into BCAA and NAC for liver support.

Please tell me if the above regimen sounds gtg.
1) Am I missing anything? My comments are in-line.
2) Is it ok to pin ED for with HGH? Yes, consistency is the name of the game in HGH. Same time everyday is best.
3) Is the dose and frequency ok? Test dosage looks good.
3) Do I need additional Lab Test for HGH? Nah, HGH is "shoot and forget" type of compound. You can test for IGF-1 45 min after a large HGH inject to see if the level changes. If you trust your source, you should be GTG.

Veteran thoughts please!!!

Natural HGH pulses throughout the day. The biggest pulse is during REM sleep. Thus the theory that first thing in the morning after the REM cycle is the best time to pin HGH. That's when I pin HGH.

Parting thought. Run the HGH for as long as you can afford it. The minimum IMO would be 1 year.

[AR's King Silabolin]

26%. Ur way too fat for aas. Dont even think about it. Any Vets, who you want so bad, who disagree can suck my....

[01dragonslayer]

What is your workout routine consist of currently?....and for how long? Have you've tried to drop as much BF naturally through a good cardio regiment and diet? No need for caber in this cycle.

[DocToxin8]

Dropping body fat before cycle would be very preferable.

Since you're 49 though, I can see the point in using a lower dose of test along with some hGH (and AI and hCG) for a longer period of time to get fit and drop BF. But then we're talking the road to TRT for life.

Just remember that higher BF will mean both higher level of aromatization,
this in itself isn't the biggest problem due to AI.
What is more a problem is that all AAS will cause unfavorable changes in lipid profile. While this doesn't have to lead to atherosclerosis of body fat is low, there's a much higher chance if BF is high. 70% of your total body fat is moved from inside the fat cells to outside them and back again in just one day, so fat isn't static. It is in fact more apply called an organ. (Able to produce and secrete hormones, etc)

However, low levels of test (which mean keeping them a bit higher than with TRT or high TRT dose) doesn't have to change the lipid profile.
So it doesn't have to be unhealthy. But again, we're talking TRT for life if you follow this approach.

Doing a cycle now, as proposed by you, just know there are much more risks than if you manage to drop BF first.

[Quester]

Does HGH have a feedback loop? If taking exo, would endo production shutdown? I read something about nutrient timing and HiiT, olympic i.e hi-intensity type workouts to increase HGH production. Although, HGH was increased at the time of workout, less was produced at night.

[Boneslapper2002]

Natural HGH pulses throughout the day. The biggest pulse is during REM sleep. Thus the theory that first thing in the morning after the REM cycle is the best time to pin HGH. That's when I pin HGH.

Parting thought. Run the HGH for as long as you can afford it. The minimum IMO would be 1 year.

Thanks scotch for the advice!!!!

[Boneslapper2002]

What is your workout routine consist of currently?....and for how long? Have you've tried to drop as much BF naturally through a good cardio regiment and diet? No need for caber in this cycle.

I have been working out consistently for a year I have lost 60 lbs i am not sure if those % body fat machines are accurate at my gym because everyone tells me that I definitely don't look like I am 26% body fat. I eat maybe 90% clean I feel like I have been at a long plateau because my weight and % body fat is moving slow.
Workout Regimen:
Run 1 mile 3 days a week
Elliptical High Intense 30 min 6 days a week
Stair Master 1 day a week
Hot Sauna 20 min 5-6 days a week
Legs 3-4 days a week
Can't do upper body right now due to rotator cuff surgery 2 months ago

Diet:
3-4 light meals:
Chicken Breast, Fish, Salmon or Tuna 100grams
Green Veggies
Whey Protein 60-90 grams
Almond Milk 10oz
1-2 apple or orange
Water 1 gal

[Boneslapper2002]

Dropping body fat before cycle would be very preferable.

Since you're 49 though, I can see the point in using a lower dose of test along with some hGH (and AI and hCG) for a longer period of time to get fit and drop BF. But then we're talking the road to TRT for life.

Just remember that higher BF will mean both higher level of aromatization,
this in itself isn't the biggest problem due to AI.
What is more a problem is that all AAS will cause unfavorable changes in lipid profile. While this doesn't have to lead to atherosclerosis of body fat is low, there's a much higher chance if BF is high. 70% of your total body fat is moved from inside the fat cells to outside them and back again in just one day, so fat isn't static. It is in fact more apply called an organ. (Able to produce and secrete hormones, etc)

However, low levels of test (which mean keeping them a bit higher than with TRT or high TRT dose) doesn't have to change the lipid profile.
So it doesn't have to be unhealthy. But again, we're talking TRT for life if you follow this approach.

Doing a cycle now, as proposed by you, just know there are much more risks than if you manage to drop BF first.

So if I am monitoring all of my Labs pre, Mid, and post cycle and going to my doctor's appointment e 3 months, along with taken all of my ancillaries and PCTs I still stand the risk of being on a TRT for life? Would I be able to catch this through BW? What is a safe dose to take that will not change my lipid profile?

[01dragonslayer]

I have been working out consistently for a year I have lost 60 lbs i am not sure if those % body fat machines are accurate at my gym because everyone tells me that I definitely don't look like I am 26% body fat. I eat maybe 90% clean I feel like I have been at a long plateau because my weight and % body fat is moving slow.
Workout Regimen:
Run 1 mile 3 days a week
Elliptical High Intense 30 min 6 days a week
Stair Master 1 day a week
Hot Sauna 20 min 5-6 days a week
Legs 3-4 days a week
Can't do upper body right now due to rotator cuff surgery 2 months ago

Diet:
3-4 light meals:
Chicken Breast, Fish, Salmon or Tuna 100grams
Green Veggies
Whey Protein 60-90 grams
Almond Milk 10oz
1-2 apple or orange
Water 1 gal

You seem disciplined but my only issue would be your restriction of not be able to workout your upper body. IMO I would hold off on your cycle until you can incorporate an upper and lower body strength routine....probaly not what you wanted to here but I why cycle if you can't include all muscle groups....it would kinda be like wasting half your gear. I wish you the best during your shoulder recovery but I believe your desire and and drive will be greater once you have fully recovered.

[songdog]

Yeah bro don't rush the rotor cuff or you will be getting it redone.