Female, 16 Week Cutting Cycle: EQ + Primo + Var (+Clen)

[ambernightly]

Starting a log for my cutting cycle. Here are the basics details. I'll add more info later including a steroid plot.

• 100mg/week Primo front load, then 50mg/week (injectable)
• 100mg/week EQ front load, then 50mg/week
• 5-10mg/ED Anavar (pharma)
• 4-6mg/ED Beta-Alanine
• 4-6mg/ED L-Glutamine
• 3mg/ED Taurine
• Either no creatine or only creatine that comes in pre-workout supplement drinks
• Clen for two weeks at a time with two weeks off in between
• Adjust my estradiol valerate injection from 10mg/week to 5mg/week or potentially 0mg and let EQ's conversion to estrogen handle my E2 levels. Ovaries removed in my 20s so have to supplement estrogen myself for life.

Just had blood work done last week so I'll post the relevant info to the thread soon.

[BG]

Very interesting. How about some pre-stats and previous cycles. Ill have your name turned pink.

[bloodchoke]

Cool! Subscribed. Maybe I'll learn something about cycling choices for women.

[ambernightly]

Very interesting. How about some pre-stats and previous cycles. Ill have your name turned pink.

Sure thing.

Height: 5'10"
Start weight 7/30: 168lbs
Fitbit scale reports 29.6% body fat
Measurements (bust, waist, hips, cup): 38", 30", 38", 34D

Past cycle examples (listing all of them would be lengthy so here are some):

This past winter/spring: 10 weeks EQ 300-600mg/week titrated + 4 weeks 20mg/ED Var + 4 weeks 100mg/ED Anadrol + 1 week 600mg Tren-E (details in the females on then thread)... got to 192lbs on this cycle before cut, eating 160-240g/day of protein. I have a bunch of logs of BP, HR, average workout times, etc... and bloods during this cycle.
A while back: 8 weeks 600mg/week EQ + 8 weeks 200mg/week Deca (400 front loaded first week)
Another while back: same thing as the one above
Etc: 10 weeks 100mg/week Primo (injectable) + 8 weeks 10mg/ED Var

[ambernightly]

So, injection day was Wednesday. Today is Saturday. Here are some notes on my mood changes that just started to be evident. First I'll list my usual mood levels from being off cycle and the "usual me". That way we have baselines to compare progress to. Figure that scale 1-10 is having 1 be pleasant and 10 being roid rage equivalent... if it's not a number scale then it will be described for comparison.

Tendency for aggression: 6/10
Typical interest in sex when E2 and T are in female levels: 2-4/week, sometimes more?
Emotional type: I've been told that I'm cold and detached by default, very focused on my goals, yet caring and generous with very select people. Socially quiet but demonstrative when around people that I make time for.
Anxiety: previously a fair amount but generally none as long as I'm active and getting exercise
Depression: see anxiety... haven't had it in a long time.
Diet: strict and aware of macros, love micro nutrition analysis
General personality: highly technical, intense energy, on the high end of the femininity scale
Typical gym time: 5-6 days/week, 1.5-2 hours a day
Typical sleep time: 6-8 hours with sleep meds, otherwise chronic insomnia
Other things relevant to BP, HR, etc: prescribed 40mg/ED Adderall-XR + 20mg/day Proprananol
Typical BP: 128/64
Resting HR: 60-70
BMR: 1650cal
Smoker: nope
Alcohol: nope
Soda: 2-6/month
Diet: really healthy, mmmhmm

So anyway, let's get to the changes. My energy level is 150% of off-cycle and I'm staying up several hours later per night listening to metal instead of my usual (some manner of electronic music). This also ways happens when I get EQ energy. For comparison, Anadrol and Deca make me want to listen to gangsta rap for some reason. Who knows... EQ also makes me want to listen to pay-trance because 180bpm is fun for running fast. Tren made me just want to **** and lift all the time, I didn't care about music as much.

I've been converting the 20mg Vars into 10mg caps so I can split doses day/night for better saturation curve. Have not started taking Clen yet, waiting for a sore throat to go away :/ ... been taking 120mg/day pseudo-ephedrine to deal with congestion from lingering cold. Spent a bunch of time shopping for makeup and new bras... always fun to get those piercing stares from out of shape women when walking around confident and strong.

My E2 is way too high right now, over 600 pg/mL because my last cycle still had aromatization going on but I was injecting 10mg/week estradiol valerate (like I always do because of a hysterectomy)... probably should have injected 5mg to account for the elevated E2 from my last run of EQ. I'm ordering some amiridex to deal with that and not injecting any estradiol until two weeks from now then I'll do bloods and see where E2 is at.

Day: 5
Time: 1:38am
BP Systolic: 117
BP Diastolic: 86
Resting HR: 128
Weight: 168
Body Fat: 29.6
Cals in: 1280
Cals out: NaN
Protein: 180
Carbs: NaN
Fat: NaN
Mood: overall great
Energy: 150/100
Sleep: 6hr
Caffeine: 100mg
Clen: 0mcg
Water: 128oz
Anger: 0/10
Happiness: 7.5/10
Focus: 7/10
Vitamins: 2x Optimum Nutrition, Opti Women
D3: 2000iu
Vit-C: 1000mg
L-Glutamine: 0mg
Liver support: 2x Purus Labs Organ Shield
Omega-3: 500 EPA/ 250 DHA
Glucosamine Sulfate: 750mg
Taurine: 0mg
Beta Alanine: 0mg
Anavar: 20mg/split
Propranalol: 40mg
Adderall XR: 40mg

[ambernightly]

Here's my current starting pics. It was 2am and the lighting sucked but... What can you do?

This is not post workout, I'm was just about to go to sleep and doing the evening routine of caesin and meds.

[bloodchoke]

That's 29.6% bf?? I would have guessed waaaaay lower.

[ambernightly]

That's 29.6% bf?? I would have guessed waaaaay lower.

Same here. I think the fitbit scale is not calibrated or something. My legs are super defined as well... Not much fat on me anywhere.

[bloodchoke]

Same here. I think the fitbit scale is not calibrated or something. My legs are super defined as well... Not much fat on me anywhere.

Yeah, I can't imagine your legs not being well defined if your torso looks like that. If you live near a Complete Nutrition, they'll let you stand on their body composition analysis machine for nothing. If you're as committed and focused as everything about this thread would lead a reasonable person to believe that you are, you're going to be so shredded at 8 weeks. Cheers!

[megang]

you are leaner than I am through the midsection and my scale said around 15%.....

[NACH3]

you are leaner than I am through the midsection and my scale said around 15%.....

I was just about to say your most likely around 15ish as megang stated - w/a good mid section! 29% my a$$ -- you look great!

And very interesting as I said b4! I assume Your going for more size - LBM and adding "s to everywhere but midsection -

[davesah1]

This one is gonna be interesting.

"Emotional type: I've been told that I'm cold and detached by default, very focused on my goals, yet caring and generous with very select people. Socially quiet but demonstrative when around people that I make time for.
Anxiety: previously a fair amount but generally none as long as I'm active and getting exercise "

Aww its like we're an e-harmony match.

My 5'8" ass will be following, Shaq.

[GirlyGymRat]

Subbed! I will be hanging on you every post! Thx for sharing!

[ambernightly]

Not much to note today other than that I started Clen at 80mcg and have increased protein. Here are some macros from the Fitbit premium app. Medications and vitamins remain standard except I did not take propranolol since I went to the gym today for 1.5hr and don't want my HR lowered. Sleep was 3am-8:30am or there about. Had a couple of instances of wooziness due to Clen and the jitters but I'm used to that.

1500 calories in
2598 calories out
57% protein = 216g
30% fat = 50g
13% carbs = 50g
Morning BP 131/80 @113bpm (post two cups of coffee)
Evening BP 119/76 @90bpm
Mood: all good!

[bloodchoke]

Have you ran clen before? Do you have a thermometer? It might be interesting to track how your body temp changes as you increment the dose. I've ran it two different ways: 8 weeks, increasing the dose by 20 mg every two weeks and the typical two week on two week off cycle quickly incrementing the dose. I couldn't really say how effective each way was since there were a lot of things going on besides just the addition of clen but I think I prefer the 2-on / 2-off but I actually like a manageable degree of side effects so I'm not guessing whether or not my gear is bunk.

[ambernightly]

Have you ran clen before? Do you have a thermometer? It might be interesting to track how your body temp changes as you increment the dose. I've ran it two different ways: 8 weeks, increasing the dose by 20 mg every two weeks and the typical two week on two week off cycle quickly incrementing the dose. I couldn't really say how effective each way was since there were a lot of things going on besides just the addition of clen but I think I prefer the 2-on / 2-off but I actually like a manageable degree of side effects so I'm not guessing whether or not my gear is bunk.

I've run two, three? cycles before. Each two weeks long with two weeks in between. First cycle I started conservatively at 20mcg/day titrating up by 10-20mcg per day as needed until I got shaky hands and then stayed at whatever level I was at until the sides went away, then increased dose again. My comfortable max is ~160mcg for the last three days of cycle but I've gone as high as 200mcg once or twice.

I do have a nice fancy temporal thermometer but it's in storage and I don't want to buy another one at the consumer grade level. At this point in my fitness obsession I'm quite literally looking at used vitals machines on eBay - where a doctors office upgrades or equipment comes off of lease. I'm always pretty serious about analytics and I don't mind spending money on good gear or equipment. That way I can track BP, temp, HR and other stats with real medical grade equipment every day 2-3/day.

Knocked myself out last night and only woke up once for facilities. But it was that kind of med sleep where you wake up feeling not rested even though it went from 12am-7:45am. Got up, made coffee and protein shake, making some wild rice for breakfast. Did ab workouts on the floor of the living room and realized that I need a new yoga mat in a serious way. Zoooooom.... love that EQ energy right after waking up even after a crap sleep.

[bloodchoke]

I use the 5/8" thick yoga mat. Much more comfortable for knees, elbows, tailbone. A lot more bulky to store, though.
Zoooooom on, madam!

[ambernightly]

Ok, here's the blood work from the same day that I started my cycle. Got blood drawn, drove home, injected. I know some things are not ideal, and they will be fixed shortly.

Here's my Test levels with some history just for fun. These are in ng/dL measurements.

5/19/14 <3 <0.2
8/19/14 5 <0.2
11/3/14 <3 <0.2
1/19/15 19 <0.2
3/11/15 <3 2.5
5/20/15 259 43.7
7/29/15 138 0.053

E2 in pg/mL - as you can see I have had some wildly fluctuating levels here due to, well... medical stuff. Hence a bottle of amiridex on the way.
8/12/14 1494.0
8/14/14 703.9
8/19/14 52.7
1/19/15 519.2
3/11/15 96.1
5/20/15 604.4
7/29/15 1467


5'Nucleotidase 0 - 10 U/L 2
GGT 5 - 55 U/L 5

Component Standard Range Your Value Flag
Cholesterol <200 mg/dL 123
Triglycerides <150 mg/dL 70
HDL Cholesterol >40 mg/dL 49
LDL Cholesterol <130 mg/dL 60
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio <5.0 2.5
LDL/HDL RATIO 1.00 - 3.50 1.22
VLDL Cholesterol (Calculated) 5 - 40 mg/dL 14

Prolactin History
Non-Pregnant 2.2-30.3
Pregnant 8.1-347.6
Post-Menopausal 0.7-31.5
Note: New methodology, normal ranges may have changed.
5/19/14 39.4
8/19/14 35.3
11/3/14 23.9
1/19/15 47.5
3/11/15 33.0
7/29/15 14.0

Component Standard Range Your Value Flag
Sodium 136 - 145 mmol/L 141
Potassium 3.5 - 5.1 mmol/L 4.1
Chloride 98 - 107 mmol/L 102
CO2 (Bicarbonate) 21 - 32 mmol/L 32
Glucose 70 - 100 mg/dL 93
Urea Nitrogen (BUN) 6 - 25 mg/dL 7
Creatinine 0.40 - 0.80 mg/dL 0.53
Note New Normal Range
IDMS-traceable method
GFR Est-Other >60 See Cmnt 123
GFR Est-African American >60 See Cmnt 143
Units: mL/min/1.73 m2. Estimated glomerular filtration rate values are
calculated using the CKD-EPI equation
Calcium 8.2 - 10.2 mg/dL 8.9
Total Protein 6.4 - 8.2 g/dL 7.2
Albumin 3.2 - 4.7 g/dL 3.8
Bilirubin Total <1.1 mg/dL 0.3
Alkaline Phosphatase 26 - 137 U/L 50
AST 0 - 37 U/L 28
ALT 12 - 78 U/L 31

Component Standard Range Your Value Flag
WBC 4.0 - 11.0 K/uL 10.2
RBC 3.90 - 5.40 M/uL 4.38
Hemoglobin 12.0 - 15.5 g/dL 12.7
Hematocrit 35.0 - 47.0 % 38.8
MCV 80.0 - 100.0 fL 89
MCH 27.0 - 33.0 pg 29.0
MCHC 31.0 - 36.0 g/dL 32.7
RDW <16.4 % 13.4
Platelet Count 150 - 400 K/uL 334
Differential Type Automated
Neutrophil % 49.0 - 74.0 % 65
Lymphocyte % 26.0 - 46.0 % 23 L
Monocyte % 2.0 - 12.0 % 10
Eosinophil % 0.0 - 5.0 % 2
Basophil % 0.0 - 2.0 % 0
Abs Neutrophil 2.0 - 8.0 K/uL 6.7
Abs Lymphocyte 1.0 - 5.1 K/uL 2.3
Abs Monocyte 0.0 - 0.8 K/uL 1.0 H
Abs Eosinophil 0.0 - 0.5 K/uL 0.2
Abs Basophil 0.0 - 0.2 K/uL 0.0

Vitamin D, 25-HYDROXY 30 - 100 ng/mL 35
This Total 25-OHD assay measures the sum of 25-hydroxy (D2 and D3) vitamin D
metabolites. Therapy indications are based on Total 25-OHD, as follows:
Deficiency: Less than 20 ng/mL
Insufficiency: 20-29 ng/mL
Sufficiency Level: 30-100 ng/mL
Possible Toxicity: Greater than 100 ng/mL

[ambernightly]

Quick question for the experts here.... I'm considering switching EQ to Masteron (front it with Prop and then switch to Enanthate). Thoughts? Good idea or bad idea? I love EQ and the stuff I have is remarkably pure and 300mg/ml so there's no issue with it technically, I'm just considering if there would be benefits to swapping it to Mast for this cut.

[ambernightly]

Here's some fun stats for the thread. Morning coffee time and I'm on the fitbit premium dashboard (seems like a decent use of money so far - I have the Flex and ChargeHR + Aria scale).

This is from late May till yesterday. I usually use the TickrX heart rate strap to log detailed calories burnt when I'm actually at the gym + the ChargeHR or Flex bands when around town/sleeping/etc. Some of the TickrX data isn't sync'd to the fitbit dashboard or we'd see more 5-6,000cal days. I found a sync app for the data but have to mess with it more. Anyway... fun stats. You can see two flat line periods in the graph when I had a cold and didn't do much those days



Here you can see elevation/floors climbed. The 300+ floor days were mountaineering trips of larger significance. The 100+ days were mountaineering on easier days with less elevation gain to the summit or high point.

[ambernightly]

As promised, here's the steroid plot as planned thus far. I've decided to stick with 20mg/ED Var instead of what's mentioned in my first post because... why not?

Steroidplot - Shared cycle

[ambernightly]

Oh look, it's another post by me. For some reason the UI won't let me edit posts to add content so I have to keep adding new replies. Why is this? I should be able to edit my own posts

Here are my legs for comparison about the body fat % issue. I'm all legs... 32" inseam on a 5'10" - 5'11" girl

[GirlyGymRat]

Your bf % is not anywhere near % 19!!!

[ambernightly]

Your bf % is not anywhere near % 19!!!

You're absolutely correct! I spent some time messing around in the fitbit scale's dashboard settings and had to switch my body type from "Regular" to "Lean", which has a statement attached to it of "This mode is for athletes and anyone else who has low body fat."

So now it reports today's stat as 16.3% BF

Other relevant news to the thread progress: I started my first cycle of Insulin! Currently doing 5iu post workout. Will experiment a bit with pre/post workout dosing and gather stats on glucose with a new little purse sized monitoring device (Accu-Check UltraMini).

Spent another 1:45 at the gym today. Good stuff.

[< <Samson> >]

You're a beast!


Straight hardcore for sure


Will follow for sure

[ironbeck]

Here's my current starting pics. It was 2am and the lighting sucked but... What can you do?

This is not post workout, I'm was just about to go to sleep and doing the evening routine of caesin and meds.

29% bf??? not by these pics, more like 12-15% judging on upper body only.

[ambernightly]

Quick update for the end of the work week. Pics below!

• Right shoulder join is a bit sore, lingering from a fight I got into in Vegas in mid-July. Trying to take it easy on that but nothing seems to help.
• Been focusing a lot on abs and core this week, adding 30-45min/day of just abs/core in addition to my usual 1-1.5hr of weights and 30min cardio. I sort of also count weights as cardio since I keep my HR between 150-165bpm the entire time I'm lifting... I don't take a lot of rests. I'm focusing on high reps (25-50) and lower weights.
• Slin cycle is going well. I'm doing 4iu in the morning after abs, then 4iu 30 min before the end of my afternoon workout at the gym: followed by 60g simple carbs (basically 32oz gatorade) at 15min post-injection and then a carb heavy meal at 30min post-injection (usually pasta+chicken or rice+vegetables or a Pro Meal bar). Great results from this routine thus far.
• Dropped Anavar down to 10mg/day split into 5mg doses morning/evening. Had to recap a bunch of 20mg pills into 5mg pills... that's some tedious bullshit but worth the time.
• Only negative side so far was some upper bicep acne this week that i've been treating with Vitamin E oil - it's working really well, then in the shower I scrub with Neutrogena salacilic-acid cleanser.
• Blood pressure has been in pre-hypertensive zone for several days but only at certain hours. It's probably due to EQ and an SSRI or the Adderall that I take all working in conjunction... so I take 40mg propranolol post-workout to combat that in the short term. Also helps with shaky hands from Clen.
• Am up to 120mcg of Clen per day. Working great... love that Clen. Love it.
• Got some Modafinil (Provigil) and took one before the gym today - crushed it for two hours. Might add that to my daily routine. Great focus.
• Still running a 500-800cal deficit every day to tone this body up and cut cut cut. Having great naps as a result. Sleep cycle still sucks ass but that's nothing new.
• Added Creatine+AAKG+Glutamine+Taurine to my daily supps. I've started buying bulk and will be capping my own stuff... tired of this whole $5-7/day nonsense for supps. With bulk I can get it to $1.5-1.8/day. My AAS and Slin + Clen is running me $5.71/day at the moment. This will change slightly if I switch EQ for Mast... but only by tens of cents.

Feeling great! Here are some pics of my progress. First one is from today, second is from this past Wednesday.

[ambernightly]

Here's a spreadsheet post of my current cycle info. I track more data but this is sufficient without being overwhelming.

Date	Week	Oral - morning	Oral - evening	AAS-1	AAS-2	Clen	Insulin	Stim 1	Stim 2	Estradiol
7/29/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var	100mg Primo	100mg EQ			40mg		10mg IM
7/30/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var					40mg
7/31/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var					40mg
8/1/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var					40mg
8/2/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var			50mcg
8/3/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var			80mcg		20mg
8/4/2015	1	10mg Var	10mg Var	100mg Primo	100mg EQ	80mcg	0iu/5iu	40mg
8/5/2015	2	5mg Var	5mg Var			80mcg	5iu/3iu	40mg
8/6/2015	2	5mg Var	5mg Var			115mcg	4iu/4iu	40mg
8/7/2015	2	5mg Var + 50mg aDrol	5mg Var			120mcg	4iu/4iu	40mg	Modafinil

[GirlyGymRat]

Looks like u had a good week girl!!!!

[ambernightly]

Looks like u had a good week girl!!!!

Yep, it's been a fantastic week! Here are some more fun stats and pics... BF % is down in the 12s

I'm going to modify the doses based on my blood work. The EQ simply stays in my system for far too long after the cycle is over and it's making my endocrinologist freak out. So I'll be replacing it with a front load of Mast-P and then following up with Mast-E. Here's the plot info and graph (attached). This makes the curves as close to smooth as I can get them. I don't like high peaks and valleys in my hormone fluctuations. This is all about consistency. Note: I decided to take 20mg/ED anavar at first to get this train rolling... then switch down to 10mg/ED one the injectables started getting to peak plasma concentrations.

Steroid Schedule

• 20 mg Anavar, taken every day from week 1 through week 1.
• 10 mg Anavar, taken every day from week 2 through week 16.
• 100 mg Equipoise, taken every 7 days from week 1 through week 2.
• 50 mg Equipoise, taken every 2 days from week 2 through week 3.
• 100 mg Primobolan Injectable, taken every 7 days from week 1 through week 2.
• 25 mg Primobolan Injectable, taken every 3 days from week 2 through week 3.
• 40 mg Primobolan Injectable, taken every 3 days from week 3 through week 16.
• 10 mg Masteron Propionate, taken every 2 days from week 4 through week 5.
• 30 mg Masteron Enanthate, taken every 2 days from week 5 through week 16.

Steroid Plot Graph


Body fat is down down down!

[GirlyGymRat]

Interesting graph on steroid release. Is this an app? I am very interested in learning more on this aspect if you are willing to share!

[tarmyg]

@GirlyGymRat: Steroidplot - Plot your cycle

[GirlyGymRat]

@GirlyGymRat: Steroidplot - Plot your cycle

Thx!!!!

[bloodchoke]

@GirlyGymRat: Steroidplot - Plot your cycle

Setting your total cycle time for two weeks longer than your actual cycle allows you to plot how you taper from the compounds, too. Good stuff!

[GirlyGymRat]

Setting your total cycle time for two weeks longer than your actual cycle allows you to plot how you taper from the compounds, too. Good stuff!

I haven't figured out how to add more then one compound but I was on my phone. I will look at this when I have more time. Appreciate the insight!

[bloodchoke]

I haven't figured out how to add more then one compound but I was on my phone. I will look at this when I have more time. Appreciate the insight!

It depends on your browser. When I use Tor, it doesn't work. With Firefox, it works perfectly.

[ambernightly]

Important note for the thread and anyone taking insulin... I didn't see this in the main Insulin Book thread over in the specific forum for that compound... but L-Arginine (or AAKG supps) will lower blood glucose levels by approx 30-40 points and put the user into hypoglycemic range really quickly - like within 5-10min. **** that, thanks for ruining my morning l-arginine.

Other than that things are going well. Still cutting well, focusing on abs. Have a great progress pic but it has a prominent nipple in the photo so I'll have to edit or re-take it. I'm surprised with how toned I'm getting - so quickly. Will post diet macros for the week later on....

Oh, also didn't get any sleep last night. Was buzzing around doing body weight exercises and organizing food prep stuff. Had glucose crash around 8am as mentioned above, didn't go work out as planned, ate lots of carbs. Engaged in lots of Equipoise based poising in front of the mirror doing the pony show bullshit like EQ always makes me partake in

[GirlyGymRat]

Important note for the thread and anyone taking insulin... I didn't see this in the main Insulin Book thread over in the specific forum for that compound... but L-Arginine (or AAKG supps) will lower blood glucose levels by approx 30-40 points and put the user into hypoglycemic range really quickly - like within 5-10min. **** that, thanks for ruining my morning l-arginine. Other than that things are going well. Still cutting well, focusing on abs. Have a great progress pic but it has a prominent nipple in the photo so I'll have to edit or re-take it. I'm surprised with how toned I'm getting - so quickly. Will post diet macros for the week later on.... Oh, also didn't get any sleep last night. Was buzzing around doing body weight exercises and organizing food prep stuff. Had glucose crash around 8am as mentioned above, didn't go work out as planned, ate lots of carbs. Engaged in lots of Equipoise based poising in front of the mirror doing the pony show bullshit like EQ always makes me partake in

Appreciate the insight. EQ is on my short list....

[bloodchoke]

Important note for the thread and anyone taking insulin... I didn't see this in the main Insulin Book thread over in the specific forum for that compound... but L-Arginine (or AAKG supps) will lower blood glucose levels by approx 30-40 points and put the user into hypoglycemic range really quickly - like within 5-10min. **** that, thanks for ruining my morning l-arginine.

Interesting.

Oh, also didn't get any sleep last night. Was buzzing around doing body weight exercises and organizing food prep stuff. Had glucose crash around 8am as mentioned above, didn't go work out as planned, ate lots of carbs. Engaged in lots of Equipoise based poising in front of the mirror doing the pony show bullshit like EQ always makes me partake in

Does EQ affect your appetite? I've read that it makes some people ravenous like stoners in a Jack in the Box parking lot.

[PrettyPlease?]

Very interesting thread. Subscribed.

Keep up the great work ambernightly!