Advice about trenA testP tBol primoA cycle

[Jacques62]

Hello, I'm gonna start a new cycle and I want to hear what you think about the dosages and the cycle itself.
21yo, 178cm, 71kg, 14%BF, previous cycle : 250mg TestE and 200mg Decadurabolin per week during 12 weeks. Adex 0.25mg eod during the 12 weeks. Pct : nolva clomid.
Side effects I had : I gained too much fat, a lot of water retention and a bit of acne. My testosterone recovered in around 3 months.
I did few mk677 or cardarine/stenabolic cycles.

Now my objective is to put like 5kgs mucle while losing some fat tissue at the same time. And I don't want to destroy my cardio.

I plan this :
Week 1-7 : 50mg TrenA eod
Week 1-7 : 20mg Tbol ed
Week 1-8 : 40mg TestP eod
Week 1-8 : 25mg PrimoA ed
Week 1-9 : 0.125mg Caber e3d
Week 1-9 : 0.125mg Adex e3d
Week 1-14 : 20mg Cardarine ed
PCT :
Week 8 : 1000IU hcg ed during 5 days to link last injection with pct
Week 9-13 : Gradually 100mg Clomid and 50mg Nolva to 30mg Clomid and 20mg Nova.

Diet : low fats, high protein and fiber, complex carbs, slightly calories surplus.


What can I except from this ? Do I need liver protection ?

[stocky121]

Hello, I'm gonna start a new cycle and I want to hear what you think about the dosages and the cycle itself.
21yo, 178cm, 71kg, 14%BF, previous cycle : 250mg TestE and 200mg Decadurabolin per week during 12 weeks. Adex 0.25mg eod during the 12 weeks. Pct : nolva clomid.
Side effects I had : I gained too much fat, a lot of water retention and a bit of acne. My testosterone recovered in around 3 months.
I did few mk677 or cardarine/stenabolic cycles.

Now my objective is to put like 5kgs mucle while losing some fat tissue at the same time. And I don't want to destroy my cardio.

I plan this :
Week 1-7 : 50mg TrenA eod
Week 1-7 : 20mg Tbol ed
Week 1-8 : 40mg TestP eod
Week 1-8 : 25mg PrimoA ed
Week 1-9 : 0.125mg Caber e3d
Week 1-9 : 0.125mg Adex e3d
Week 1-14 : 20mg Cardarine ed
PCT :
Week 8 : 1000IU hcg ed during 5 days to link last injection with pct
Week 9-13 : Gradually 100mg Clomid and 50mg Nolva to 30mg Clomid and 20mg Nova.

Diet : low fats, high protein and fiber, complex carbs, slightly calories surplus.


What can I except from this ? Do I need liver protection ?

You are probably not going to want to hear this.
But at 21 year old, 156 pound and 5’10 in height.
I don’t think you should be on cycle. stick around, post, look at the diet and the training threads and over time you will put on 5kg of muscle mass.

[Cuz]

You are probably not going to want to hear this.
But at 21 year old, 156 pound and 5’10 in height.
I don’t think you should be on cycle. stick around, post, look at the diet and the training threads and over time you will put on 5kg of muscle mass.

Agree. Its not the way to go. You will be on trt very early in life

[Jacques62]

I think you are right. But you understand that I'm 21yo and I want to be the best at the beach. I find that it's even better to take steroids young, because my testosterone levels will recover faster, like they did during my first cycle.
However, I will maybe reduce dosages.
Week 1-7 : 40mg TrenA eod (140mg per week)
Week 1-7 : 20mg Tbol ed (140mg per week)
Week 1-8 : 30mg TestP eod (105mg per week)
Week 1-8 : 20mg PrimoA ed (140mg per week)

[stocky121]

I think you are right. But you understand that I'm 21yo and I want to be the best at the beach. I find that it's even better to take steroids young, because my testosterone levels will recover faster, like they did during my first cycle.
However, I will maybe reduce dosages.
Week 1-7 : 40mg TrenA eod (140mg per week)
Week 1-7 : 20mg Tbol ed (140mg per week)
Week 1-8 : 30mg TestP eod (105mg per week)
Week 1-8 : 20mg PrimoA ed (140mg per week)

Of course you do, you want to hit that beach and get some fucking pussy. But like cuz said are you sure you want to fuck up your hormones prematurely for 5 minutes of pleasure?

Anyway, you probably won’t listen to the good advice and do it anyway. I’m not the best person to give you advice about steroids. It’s been about 13 years since the last time I took them and a lot has changed in that time.

First off drop the tren 100%
Next drop an oral I have no experience with either d.bol was my go to cutting or bulking, I loved that shit. I’m guessing you’ll be drinking closer to the end of your cycle? When you go to the beach to get the girls. So take the oral for the first four weeks.
Next up the test to about 400mg per week.

If you’re not going to listen to the original advice, which you should.

Do what I’ve proposed rather than your original cycle.

[Cuz]

I think you are right. But you understand that I'm 21yo and I want to be the best at the beach. I find that it's even better to take steroids young, because my testosterone levels will recover faster, like they did during my first cycle.
However, I will maybe reduce dosages.
Week 1-7 : 40mg TrenA eod (140mg per week)
Week 1-7 : 20mg Tbol ed (140mg per week)
Week 1-8 : 30mg TestP eod (105mg per week)
Week 1-8 : 20mg PrimoA ed (140mg per week)

Beach? Is it summer where you are? Where I am the temp is dropping like crazy. You are using all short esters, short esters are primarily ran 4-6 weeks and 8 weeks on tren ace id nevrr advise unless you compete and going for a pro card. You can look good with hard training, test, diet and a little cardio in the form of whatever you choose. Listen to the vets here, you’re 21. You still have natural potential left

[Honkey_Kong]

I think you are right. But you understand that I'm 21yo and I want to be the best at the beach. I find that it's even better to take steroids young, because my testosterone levels will recover faster, like they did during my first cycle.
However, I will maybe reduce dosages.
Week 1-7 : 40mg TrenA eod (140mg per week)
Week 1-7 : 20mg Tbol ed (140mg per week)
Week 1-8 : 30mg TestP eod (105mg per week)
Week 1-8 : 20mg PrimoA ed (140mg per week)

You're 21, which means you still have your whole life ahead of you. Learn to how to diet and train. You're 5'10 and 150lbs at 14% BF right? That means if you had 0% fat, you'd weigh 129 lbs. And you've already done a cycle!

The best advice you can get from anyone is to take the money you would've spent on gear and hire a sports nutritionist and a decent trainer.

[XnavyHMCS]

Sounds like a "bored Kimbo sock account"...

[Honkey_Kong]

Sounds like a "bored Kimbo sock account"...

I guess he can't go back to posting videos of his 1RM 100kg squat.

[Jacques62]

I don't want to use Dianabol because of its water retention properties.
I am crazy and I will do this cycle anyway, with trenbolone. I trained 4 years naturally and doubled my results with a single 12 weeks TestE Deca cycle, I want to do a final cycle to get my maximum natural potential for my twenties because it's now that I can enjoy it the most, not when I will be your age.
I will start 12th january.

Assuming I'm older and I achieved my natural potential, do you think it's better to
reduce TrenA and TestP dosages while adding PrimoA,
OR
remove PrimoA and use higher dosages of TrenA and TestP ?

[stocky121]

I don't want to use Dianabol because of its water retention properties.
I am crazy and I will do this cycle anyway, with trenbolone. I trained 4 years naturally and doubled my results with a single 12 weeks TestE Deca cycle, I want to do a final cycle to get my maximum natural potential for my twenties because it's now that I can enjoy it the most, not when I will be your age.
I will start 12th january.

Assuming I'm older and I achieved my natural potential, do you think it's better to
reduce TrenA and TestP dosages while adding PrimoA,
OR
remove PrimoA and use higher dosages of TrenA and TestP ?

Firstly I’m absolutely not advising you to take d.bol.

Secondly dam I’m not saying that old

Thirdly you got better gains off your cycle that you said you got fat and bloat off, Then 4 years of training natural? Then your diet and training is way off.

And lastly I knew you would do a cycle anyway because you’re young and you don’t have the experience and wisdom that comes with age.

My best advice I can give you is come on the board, read, post and learn.

[Honkey_Kong]

I don't want to use Dianabol because of its water retention properties.
I am crazy and I will do this cycle anyway, with trenbolone. I trained 4 years naturally and doubled my results with a single 12 weeks TestE Deca cycle, I want to do a final cycle to get my maximum natural potential for my twenties because it's now that I can enjoy it the most, not when I will be your age.
I will start 12th january.

Assuming I'm older and I achieved my natural potential, do you think it's better to
reduce TrenA and TestP dosages while adding PrimoA,
OR
remove PrimoA and use higher dosages of TrenA and TestP ?

Let's pretend you're 40 years old. You're 150 lbs. You're not at anyone's "natural potential."

[XnavyHMCS]

Firstly I’m absolutely not advising you to take d.bol.

Secondly dam I’m not saying that old

Thirdly you got better gains off your cycle that you said you got fat and bloat off, Then 4 years of training natural? Then your diet and training is way off.

And lastly I knew you would do a cycle anyway because you’re young and you don’t have the experience and wisdom that comes with age.

My best advice I can give you is come on the board, read, post and learn.

Like a lot of us...

I am reluctant to futilely advise the young guys on AAS; I ran my first cycle when I was a senior in HS...
You are most likely correct' his mind is made up.

[stocky121]

Like a lot of us...

I am reluctant to futilely advise the young guys on AAS; I ran my first cycle when I was a senior in HS...
You are most likely correct' his mind is made up.

We have all been young and dumb and some point, I’m no different.

[Honkey_Kong]

Like a lot of us...

I am reluctant to futilely advise the young guys on AAS; I ran my first cycle when I was a senior in HS...
You are most likely correct' his mind is made up.

Whether his mind is made up or not. The guy doesn't know how to diet and probably doesn't know how to train. All the gear in the world isn't going to fix that. Any gains are going to be minimal and he'll likely lose them as quickly as they came. Great thing to risk his health for.

[XnavyHMCS]

Whether his mind is made up or not. The guy doesn't know how to diet and probably doesn't know how to train. All the gear in the world isn't going to fix that. Any gains are going to be minimal and he'll likely lose them as quickly as they came. Great thing to risk his health for.

Amen brother...!!!

H&K is giving the gospel here, gents.

[tbjake34]

ok so youve done some research which is good. But the thing is you have a lot of compounds here and you have no experience with them, so you have no idea how these will affect you. My advice, Testosterone is king and the sides are manageable. Id run some test, and an oral you said tbol so lets go with that one. and then run adex if needed. Keep it simple bro, the more you take gear you will understand what that means.

Edit: remember diet and hard fucking training is what builds muscle. If you are going to eat like a bird then gear will do nothing for you but give you side effects. Learn how to eat and train and you will be amazed how much progress you can make with minimal gear at your size.