Ok i have something in my head that has been bothering me for awhile. I see that alot of people tell some of the younger guys not to use roids cause there to young etc. but i want to know how old where you guys when you started and truthfully! yes i know you still got to natural test yadadada..... by the way i started at age 17 and iam 21. and i only have done 2 cycles on my third one now. This is what i recommend for the young guys like myself. dont cycle steroids like some of these beast on the board. Do a good cycle and then train naturally with out hormones etc... for 1-2 yrs then run another cycle . i belive this is a good technique .