Possible Cycle (few questions)

[Raven10319]

Ok guys some quick backround: I am 20 years old 6'3, 187pounds. (Have trained natural for 5 years) I am looking to gain mass and stregnth here, my goal is to be 200 pounds plus.


I gonna do my first cylce once I figure out how much I need of each thing.

Cycle Idea: (10 week cycle) or if you think it should be longer/shorter let me know.

Enanthate (do not have, how many ml will i need?, also how much per injection, and how often?)

Propionat QV 100 (have 10 ml) will I need more?
(Should I use this as a starter for the Enanthate, or at then end before my PCT? And how much at a time should I take?) (I know you have to use it ED)

Clomid: Gonna use this for my PCT (how many ml will i need, and how much/often/long should i take it?)


Eh lotta questions, but the advice will be greatly appericated

Also one last thing how many ccs is 10ml = to?

[Money Boss Hustla]

May I suggest you do some research...this has been discussed before on this site. Good luck!

[TheSevnthWarrior]

ml's don't mean didley....it's mg's that tell the tale.
1cc=1ml which can have X amount of mg's per ml/cc.
Personally I think you should put the stuff down, and back away slowly, then run like hell, but since 9 outta 10 Newbies don't listen, we'll try and work with it...
I don't suggest Prop for your first time through, but you're gonna try and use it so here:
Weeks 1-10: Test Enanthate @ 250mg (1ml/cc @ 250mg) E4D
Weeks 1-2: Test Propionate @ 50mg (1/2 ml/cc) ED
L-Dex @ .25 ml ED Throughout
Nolva @ 10mg ED Throughout
Tribulus @ 4gm ED Throughout
PCT:
Up Nolva to 20mg ED
Up Tribulus to 6gm ED
Up L-Dex to .5 ml ED
Clomid:
Day one: 300mg (6 tabs @ 50mg)
Days 2-21: 100mg
TSW

[TheSevnthWarrior]

Oh, 1 Bottle of Test=10ml/cc @ 250mg per ml/cc.
Get two of them.
TSW

[einstein1905]

I agree with TSW, but since you want to use the prop, I'd add it in wks 11 and 12 too, and do pct 1-3 days after the last prop shot

[shadowman25]

I'm 26 and just started a cycle a few weeks ago. Kind of wish I would have waited another ten years too. Think about that before you buy your gear.
With the right training at 6'3" 187lbs you could kick tons of ass right now. Unless you have a future in bodybuilding you shouldn't juice. good luck with your decision

[50%Natural]

your goal is to be 200lbs @ 6'3? I think you should buy some food.

[TheSevnthWarrior]

I agree with TSW, but since you want to use the prop, I'd add it in wks 11 and 12 too, and do pct 1-3 days after the last prop shot

Yep, that's the best way to go, I'll never do it any other way...but he only had one bottle of Prop, and if he's short on funds, I'd rather see him spend it on Anti's and PCT.....you know how most of them think.....
Ahh, I'll just get another bottle, I can always get my PCT stuff later right?...lol...
No Flame Raven, but that IS the norm.
TSW

[TheSevnthWarrior]

your goal is to be 200lbs @ 6'3? I think you should buy some food.

LMAO...lol..Food Can be helpful yes.
TSW

[einstein1905]

Yep, that's the best way to go, I'll never do it any other way...but he only had one bottle of Prop, and if he's short on funds, I'd rather see him spend it on Anti's and PCT.....you know how most of them think.....
Ahh, I'll just get another bottle, I can always get my PCT stuff later right?...lol...
No Flame Raven, but that IS the norm.
TSW

You're right. I didn't even consider the amount he had. Definitely choose the anti e's over more test, as they will ultimately be responsible for more gains than extra test would...i.e. efficient, proper pct = gains kept

[50%Natural]

hmm, i'm also wondering how much he got 'took' for on that one bottle of prop.

TSW, i must say you laid out a decent cycle above. However, I wouldn't suggest he front load test prop on his cycle for only two weeks. Fact being that for most the enanthate ester doesn't become active until the 4th week. Unless he has another bottle he would just crash on the prop ester while waiting for the enanthate ester to kick in. Ending on prop is never a bad idea to keep stable blood levels up until pct.

[TheSevnthWarrior]

hmm, i'm also wondering how much he got 'took' for on that one bottle of prop.

TSW, i must say you laid out a decent cycle above. However, I wouldn't suggest he front load test prop on his cycle for only two weeks. Fact being that for most the enanthate ester doesn't become active until the 4th week. Unless he has another bottle he would just crash on the prop ester while waiting for the enanthate ester to kick in. Ending on prop is never a bad idea to keep stable blood levels up until pct.

50.. read school boy , the guy only had one bottle silly rabbit.
Plus, Enanthate will load faster than that, but not enough to see any significant gains.
I guess I could have had him go a little longer since he'll have 20 shots at the 50mg I have him at...he could squeeze out nearly 3 weeks if it wasn't for all the dang waste you get with Prop...losing X amount in the pin ED?
TSW

[50%Natural]

I find it quite frightening that you referred to me as a silly rabbit. I was just noticing the cycle you had laid out where you had him only on 2 weeks of prop...that's all.

[TheSevnthWarrior]

I find it quite frightening that you referred to me as a silly rabbit. I was just noticing the cycle you had laid out where you had him only on 2 weeks of prop...that's all.

ROFLMAO!....I knew you'd like that....I did that cuz I remember the first time I called you silly! Ooooh, that was great....

[einstein1905]

ROFLMAO!....I knew you'd like that....I did that cuz I remember the first time I called you silly! Ooooh, that was great....

I just realized that you cut short your location in your profile so that all your posts don't require my having to scroll across the page everytime to read

[Da Bull]

You guys are doing some good late night whoring I see...........LOLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!

[einstein1905]

You guys are doing some good late night whoring I see...........LOLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!

Whoring...he says
There was a member that joined yesterday that has over 2k posts already....now that's whoring

[TheSevnthWarrior]

I just realized that you cut short your location in your profile so that all your posts don't require my having to scroll across the page everytime to read

Hey, did you do that Einstein?...I didn't I swear....I would have though but I didn't know it was having that effect

[einstein1905]

Hey, did you do that Einstein?...I didn't I swear....I would have though but I didn't know it was having that effect

Nope...it wasn't me. I assumed you did it. Hmmmm

[Da Bull]

Whoring...he says
There was a member that joined yesterday that has over 2k posts already....now that's whoring

LOL...that was just a user name change...

[einstein1905]

LOL...that was just a user name change...

aahhhh. Well, I can't pronounce his new name

[TheSevnthWarrior]

Whoring...he says
There was a member that joined yesterday that has over 2k posts already....now that's whoring

What?!?!?...

[50%Natural]

You guys are doing some good late night whoring I see...........LOLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!

TSW thinks he gets a prize for becoming an anabolic member or something so i just humor him

[TheSevnthWarrior]

LOL...that was just a user name change...

Who who..lets gossip!

[50%Natural]

I was wondering who that was too....oh oh, i wanna know. might as well spill the beans dabull, this thread was hijacked long ago

[TheSevnthWarrior]

TSW thinks he gets a prize for becoming an anabolic member or something so i just humor him

I just figure i'll keep followin' you, followin' me, and it'll be here soon.
I figured out I can find 100 of you posts by going back to my recent posts
TSW
Now what kinda prize do I get??...Oh I love prizes...this is such a great board!

[Da Bull]

Who who..lets gossip!

[TheSevnthWarrior]

I was wondering who that was too....oh oh, i wanna know. might as well spill the beans dabull, this thread was hijacked long ago

Yeah what was this thread anyway

[TheSevnthWarrior]

I was wondering who that was too....oh oh, i wanna know. might as well spill the beans dabull, this thread was hijacked long ago

It's Scotty huh?

[50%Natural]

I just figure i'll keep followin' you, followin' me, and it'll be here soon.
I figured out I can find 100 of you posts by going back to my recent posts
TSW
Now what kinda prize do I get??...Oh I love prizes...this is such a great board!

This pic

[TheSevnthWarrior]

BTW...speakin' of whoring, I'm eating those little tiny mushrooms with butter....man those are good!

[einstein1905]

That's either a Hitler smiley or a ziplip smiley....I can't tell....maybe it's a hint

[TheSevnthWarrior]

This pic

COOL!
I'm blowin' it up and hangin' it on my wall for motivation!
"I won this on AR!"
TSW

[50%Natural]

BTW...speakin' of whoring, I'm eating those little tiny mushrooms with butter....man those are good!

cool, i went to red lobster earlier and had:
15 cheese sticks(the entire order)
ceaser salad
half a serving of lobster bisq
30 shrimp(10 fried, 10 lemon peper, 10 scampi)
and some fries

ummm, ummm

[Da Bull]

That's either a Hitler smiley or a ziplip smiley....I can't tell....maybe it's a hint

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

eh.... why don't you guys tell the kid to wait untill he can do some RESEARCH and has the money for gear... right now I have all of my compounds for my cycle except my anti-e's and PCT... so of course I'm waiting... but on top of that before I start my cycle I'm going to buy $1300 in supplements so that I can afford a lot of food while on... from what I've read most don't eat enough and I will be ****ed if that is gonna be me!!! BUY YOUR SH1T... ALL OF IT... don't half @ss it.... do it right... then make sure you have enough food and supplements.... im having to save a lot of $$$$$$... but o well I'm gonna be like 280lbs of my first cycle... hehe... even if you guys don't agree.... I will be!!! anyways you might want to concider something more like this for your cycle even though I'm gonna get flamed!!! drop the winstrol if you want... and/or the prop and deca... i like them all.... (@ 6000+ calories a day I should be HUGE)

Test and Deca Cycle... maybe some extras too...

Weeks 1-13 Test E. 500mg/week
Weeks 1-4 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
Weeks 1-12 Deca 400mg/week
Weeks 10-15 Winstrol 50mg/ED
Weeks 1-14 Nolvadex 10mg/ED
15-18 Nolvadex 20mg/ED
Weeks 1-15 L-dex .25mg/ED
Weeks 15-18 Clomid: Day 1 300mg, Day 2-11 100mg/ED, Day 12-21 50mg/ED
Weeks 1-18 B6 200mg/ED
Weeks 1-18 B-12/EOD (ordered a bottle not sure what dose yet

Compounds Needed:

(Mexico)
Test E= 6500 mg Enantat QV250 10ml or 50ml Vials (need 26ml)
Deca= 4800 mg Deca QV200 QV300 (need 24ml at QV200 or 16ml at QV300)
Winstrol= 1750 mg
Injectable
Stan QV 50mg/ml and 100mg/ml- Denkall Stanzolic 50mg/mL and 100mg/mL
(need 35mL at 50mg/mL and 17.5mL at 100mg/mL)
Oral
Denkall Stanzolic 10mg Tablet (175 tablets)

(Ordering from PNP)
Nolvadex = 1400 mg Liquifen 20mg/mL 50mL (2 bottles= 2000mg)
L-dex = 26.25 Liquidex 30mL (1 bottle= 30mg)
Clomid= 1800 mg Clomiphene Citrate 50mg/50mL (1 bottle= 2500mg)
=$205.00

(Health Store)
B6= 25,200 mg
Liver Pills (Saw Palmetto, Milk Thistle, NAC, LIV52, Tyler, ALA)

[shadowman25]

that cycle is some kinda monster........

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

its pretty aint it??? lot of time and thought and of course.... the desire to be big... I know running a test only cycle first is a good idea but this MAY be the only bulking cycle I can ever do... at this time my gf has me commited to doing only 1 bulking and 1 cutting cycle... so that doesn't leave me with much choice.... im gonna f*ck the sh1t outta my virgin receptors leaving them looking like a saigon Wh0RE!!! hehehehehe... so if I'm 220 right now.... do you guys think I can put on 60 with that????

[Da Bull]

eh.... why don't you guys tell the kid to wait untill he can do some RESEARCH and has the money for gear... right now I have all of my compounds for my cycle except my anti-e's and PCT... so of course I'm waiting... but on top of that before I start my cycle I'm going to buy $1300 in supplements so that I can afford a lot of food while on... from what I've read most don't eat enough and I will be ****ed if that is gonna be me!!! BUY YOUR SH1T... ALL OF IT... don't half @ss it.... do it right... then make sure you have enough food and supplements.... im having to save a lot of $$$$$$... but o well I'm gonna be like 280lbs of my first cycle... hehe... even if you guys don't agree.... I will be!!! anyways you might want to concider something more like this for your cycle even though I'm gonna get flamed!!! drop the winstrol if you want... and/or the prop and deca... i like them all.... (@ 6000+ calories a day I should be HUGE)

Test and Deca Cycle... maybe some extras too...

Weeks 1-13 Test E. 500mg/week
Weeks 1-4 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
Weeks 1-12 Deca 400mg/week
Weeks 10-15 Winstrol 50mg/ED
Weeks 1-14 Nolvadex 10mg/ED
15-18 Nolvadex 20mg/ED
Weeks 1-15 L-dex .25mg/ED
Weeks 15-18 Clomid: Day 1 300mg, Day 2-11 100mg/ED, Day 12-21 50mg/ED
Weeks 1-18 B6 200mg/ED
Weeks 1-18 B-12/EOD (ordered a bottle not sure what dose yet

Compounds Needed:

(Mexico)
Test E= 6500 mg Enantat QV250 10ml or 50ml Vials (need 26ml)
Deca= 4800 mg Deca QV200 QV300 (need 24ml at QV200 or 16ml at QV300)
Winstrol= 1750 mg
Injectable
Stan QV 50mg/ml and 100mg/ml- Denkall Stanzolic 50mg/mL and 100mg/mL
(need 35mL at 50mg/mL and 17.5mL at 100mg/mL)
Oral
Denkall Stanzolic 10mg Tablet (175 tablets)

(Ordering from PNP)
Nolvadex = 1400 mg Liquifen 20mg/mL 50mL (2 bottles= 2000mg)
L-dex = 26.25 Liquidex 30mL (1 bottle= 30mg)
Clomid= 1800 mg Clomiphene Citrate 50mg/50mL (1 bottle= 2500mg)
=$205.00

(Health Store)
B6= 25,200 mg
Liver Pills (Saw Palmetto, Milk Thistle, NAC, LIV52, Tyler, ALA)

You didn't change anything in the cycle did you??Looks the same to me,but I could be wrong.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

I added the prop... I wasn't planning on going that route... I was thinking of front loading with the test E since I have a 50mL vial but I couldn't get anyones advice on how to do it... or even someone that said they have done it... so I guess I'll have to do the prop... I added the B-12... ordered it today but don't know how much to take... I REALLY need to stimulate appetite... I was thinking of coming down with the prop too... what do you think??? when would I want to start taking it again?