M1t FAQ

[nsa]

If your libido and energy level is low you should up your test booster. So if its still not back then increase the dose of clomid, in your case i would take as much time off as needed and start taking clomid again at 100 mg ED until your test levels are back to normal.

[flexin-rph]

Clomid 100mg ed along w/ the m1t or by itself along w/ some trib? Also, should I d/c the nolva now?

[nsa]

You can drop the nolvadex and use clomid with tribulus. Clomid is also a anti-estrogen, not as strong as nolvadex, but its main use is to increase test levels.

[birsling]

Let your body talk to you bro. I would hit up about 5g ED of Trib, that seemed to help me get back up to speed. I wouldn't cycle again until you FEEL ready, or go get some blood tests and check your levels, could be just mental.

[nsa]

Could be mental, but with something like that why risk it? See if you can get a blood test.

[birsling]

Bump for the newbies. Have we not yet established sticky-ness?

[pimpjuice]

I agree with NSA. Midget shouldnt touch any AAS until at least a few months of workingout

[Marc Angelo]

I agree that a person who is a newbie, or lacking muscle development, or is not well educated about the side effects, repercusions, consequences etc, of M1t or Steroids should stay away from them. However, some people are going to use them regardless of our opinions. I am not sure that by saying "this is not for newbies"/"go to another chat", or "go back and lift some more" (not that anyone has said that) will help the person asking the question.

[nsa]

I personally think that young people and/or inexperienced lifters should not use things like AAS or m1t, but if you are going to use them regardless just make sure you do your research and learn as much as you possibly can about the compounds you want to use.

[brian11]

this is a big ass thread! great info and advice though! mad props nsa

[userabuser]

Hmm, maybe now if some of you posted your results of the cycle.
I'm in my second week of pct and have not lost any gains. However, I did not experiance gains like some have. My bench is up 30lbs though and my other lifts did about that sort of gain as well.

I got a bit fat on cycle cuz I ate like a stinking pig. I'm trying to lose it and keep my gains at the same time on pct. So far, so good.
BTW, I did not gain alot of water.

[birsling]

I would definitely recommend a hefty intake, but a relatively clean one also. If you got very fat, I would say you could have cleaned up your diet just a little bit. Eat a lot, but you should still be eating for quality. JMO though

[Marc Angelo]

The problem with "cleaning up your diet" is that some supplements make me so hungry that I am ravenous, and there is n diet that works at that time. Some of us have a tricky metabolism that even If I eat salad with dressing on the side I am capable of putting 5 pounds, no exageration. But I hear it diet is the importance and preparing oneself before those ravenous moments.

[nsa]

Self control is always important for your diet, also alot of people who have heavy water retention also have very high sodium diets.

[jgg1221]

if i take M1-T alone will my gains stay hard after? or do i need to stack it

[birsling]

Stacking is a very proven method with a lot of good results to back it up. I would recommend putting the plan that is already set forth into action. Obviously do what you want, but NSA (and others) put a lot of time and effort into researching a working plan. THis thread makes it easy for everyone to know the pros and cons. In conclusion, stack it to minimize sides and maximize gain.

[DirtyDog]

I did a 2 week cycle the same as this posts cycle but without the 4-ad and gained 7lb with increases in all my lifts. During PCT I lost 1lb but it was back by the time I had finished.

Experienced no sides and didn't feel any different at all, until I started PCT when I couldn't finish my workouts and my strength went down for the first 6 days then everything was back to normal.

Im going to do my next cycle stacking with 4-ad and will probably put the M1T up to 15mg a day.

Is it ok to start my cycle taking 15mg a day or should I start with a smaller dose and build up to 15mg?

[nsa]

What are your stats?

[DirtyDog]

Im 174 lb, 6ft tall, 4.9% body fat. 3 years lifting experience, very active with a stupidly fast metabolism if thats makes any difference?

Cheers

[nsa]

I would start at 10 mg and work up. Thats not that much muscle mass for that height so you still have plenty to gain, you don't need to go higher than 10mg ED of m1t to make gains unless your over 200 or so.

[DirtyDog]

Nice one dude,

Thanks

[birsling]

DD, I am 200lbs and saw gains with 10mg. NSA knows his sh*t, stick with his stack and you will do well.

[PunyKid]

Ok, from all the research and reading up I've done on this product, it seems pretty clear that the structure of this compund inhibits it from breaking down in the liver and that it does not aromatize or convert to estrogen. Ok, I am right so far, huh? So, here is my question: What is the point of taking the Milk Thistle and the Clomid or Nolvadex? The way I see it, Milk Thistle is just a waste of money since M1T bypasses the liver. And, also, the Clomid and Nolvadex is a very big waste of money since this product won't be doing any converting to estrogen. This is the way I see it. But, please correct me if I am wrong, as I am quite new to steroid cylces. Also, I plan on doing my cycle 2 weeks on and then 2 weeks off. I have the bottle of M1T right here in front of me and it says in BOLD PRINT: Do NOT use this product for longer than 2 continuous weeks without taking a 2 week break form use. So, I'm just sticking with the recommened use to be on the safe side. Unless anyone can give me enough convincing to change my mind, I plan to run a 2 week on cycle/2 week off cycle with some Trib thrown in for PCT to bring my Test levels back to normal. This should be suffiecient enough. I'll let everyone know my results. Oh, btw I am 5' 8'' and I weigh 168 lbs., just to give y'all an idea of my stats. Thanks for the help.

[userabuser]

As I understand it, tribulus doesn't not promote test level increases. Clomid does. My bottle of m1t says one month. My other bottle says nothing. (UL)

I am not an expert on the liver thing with m1t, but I do follow the advise of those here that are more informed than I. And Milk Thistle is cheap and can't hurt.

[nsa]

Do yourselves a favor and read the original post in this thread...

[flexin-rph]

Any problems running a 6-week cycle this time (I'm 2 weeks into my 2nd cycle)? I am
running the 4-derm & milk thistle & hawthorne berry also. Any input w/ experience is
appreciated.

[nsa]

Your going to use it for 6 weeks? I don't have any experience with that length and haven't heard much about it. I would assume that length would be alright, but i can not say for certain.

[flexin-rph]

I'm not certain on the 6 week run as of just yet, I just wanted to check it out if I did decide to go for it.

[PunyKid]

NSA, I did read the original post. This is the reason I am asking. I am confused. You said yourself in the original post that it is not brokendown by the liver and that it does not convert to estrogen. So, I do not understand what the need for the anti-estrogens and the milk thistle are for. Could you please explain.

[nsa]

It doesn't breakdown because it is methylated, this is bad for your liver. So you need milk thistle. You need nolvadex because 4-ad aromatizes just like any other testosterone.

[DirtyDog]

Not forgetting you get the estrogen rebound when you come off the M1T. Another reason why you need the Nolvadex.

[Soldier of Misfortune]

As Ive said before, why would you question an obviously very researched cycle stack and try to come up with your own concoctions? Everything put into that stack has a purpose and is clearly explained in the original post.

[birsling]

As Ive said before, why would you question an obviously very researched cycle stack and try to come up with your own concoctions? Everything put into that stack has a purpose and is clearly explained in the original post.

I don't understand this also. I lot of time, energy, and knowledge goes into this. Somebody else has done YOUR homework, and a number of people have proven the experiment. I think that possibly the most dangerous thing about any cycle is listed by PunyKid above. The idea that you should be worried about something for your safety being a waste of money. NEVER, I repeat, NEVER take any cycle without everything being purchased up front, never worry about what it costs (if you are worried, you are not in position to use that cycle, so wait), and always be well educated prior to taking the plunge (good job to all who are asking questions).

[nsa]

You should not just take someones word over the internet about something like this, but many people have used the sample cycle i wrote and had great gains and very little sides. The people who have had problems have mostly been people who decided not to use something that i recomended in the sample cycle. Everything in that stack is there for a reason. I am not making gaining anything by you spending money on extra supplements. I was only trying to spread what i know so people dion't mess themselves up and finding out the hard way how do stack it.

[DevilsDeity]

bump

[GQSuperman]

mods...is there a reason this isn't stickied? what's the hold up?

[PunyKid]

The only reason I had said that I was gonna just run the M1T and the Tribulus was b/c that was what my brother told me. He knows a lot more than me, but he doesn't divulge any of his secrets to me. You all probablly know him because he posts on this board almost everyday, but he won't tell me what his username is b/c "I'm gonna give him a bad reputation and right now he is in good with a lot of people on this board". So, I guess he was just telling me that to get me off his back. Anyways, I'm just gonna try the original cycle posted by NSA, but I have 3 questions: 1.)Why is the milk thistle taken after your cycle is finished and not during it? 2.)I already have the Tribulus so I want to use it. Can I substite it for the Clomid? (I don't really want to use the Clomid, b/c my brother took some before and broke out with the worst case of acne you ever seen). 3.)Where can I get the Nolvadex?...everyone tells me it is better than Clomid. I guess I should stack it with the Tribulus? (CAN'T GET IT OFF OF THE WEBSITE MENTIONED EARLIER, they only have Clomid) 4.)Why does it say TRANSDERMAL 4-AD? What's this? Can I just use the regular kind? 5.)How has the acne and the hair loss been reported with any of this stuff on this cycle? These are my 2 big problem areas. Please let me know. Thanks, for all the help...can't wait to get all roided up!

[nsa]

1. Milk thistle run during a cycle of orals has been shown to effect the results slightly. If your gonna run a high dose or 2 orals you should definately run milk thistle. You could run milk thistle during the cycle if you want, the difference isn't really noticeable much. But at 10 mg ED of M1T your not going to destroy your liver in that time so you can do it without milk thistle, provided you are not drinking alcohol or anything else bad for your liver.

[nsa]

2. Tribulus IMO will not cut it for pct at all. You can use it during a long injectable AAS cycle to keep your testes in check. M1t is extremely suppresive of your hpta even in 4 weeks. Everyone reacts slightly different from things, I personally don't break out from clomid. I added winstrol this time and im breaking out everywhere. Everyone is different, even you and your brother...

[nsa]

3. Look at the top of the page. Get it there. And its different than clomid. I like clomid alot better than nolvadex if i had to pick one. Nolvadex is a real good anti-e but clomid acts like an anti-e too plus it boosts your test levels more than anything else i know of.