Middle Aged Fattie + Anavar= ?

**40plusnewbie** · 09-29-2008, 09:21 AM

What are people's thoughts on me adding prop to my cycle? Will that be too much since I don't have much lifting experience and might jack a tendon or something? Plus I've never injected prop (I have injected mgf and igf and vit b 12) so am not sure if I will puss out if it's painful. I can get it in powder and make it myself or get it in vials and just refilter to be extra safe.

Will the test make me too agressive with the weights where I might injure myself at this point given my lack of good muscular fitness or will I be able to modulate what I lift so I don't really try to max out lifts?

Thoughts?

**40plusnewbie** · 10-03-2008, 03:32 PM

Got my lab results today. Had Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, Hematoxology panel, Glycohemoglobin, Hepatic Function Panel, Basic Metabolic Panel, PSA, Chemistry (Cholesterol- 136 mg/dL, Triglycerides- 120 mg/dL ouch, Bilirubin, Indirect 0.6 mg/dL, LDH- 162 U/L yuck, Anion Gap? 14), Testosterone; Total, %free, and Free- they look good considering I was drinking whiskey every night for a week prior to the test because I was trying to qualify for a test replacement study

Everything was 'within range'. For some reason my 'mean pletelet volume' is 7.5 and the range listed is 7.5-11.5 fL Maybe it's due to all the supplements I take?

I'll have to research my blood lab results and what they mean.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-03-2008, 05:25 PM

Feedback on this please:

I had been waiting on cholesterol drugs before starting my anavar cycle due to concerns about it raising cholesterol levels.

Well I have my #'s in and my cholesterol is at 136 mg/dL which is excellent I believe. I take no cholesterol medication.

My Triglyceride # is 120 mg/dL, in the high end of the 'normal' range.

Additional info: Those tests were taken 1 month ago when I was 15 lbs. heavier and also before I was doing any cardio.

Also, the week prior to the test I was drinking like 4 or 5 shots of whiskey every night in efforts to lower my test numbers. I have read that alcohol raises triglyceride levels.

So after a little thinking, I am thinking of starting my anavar cycle like tomorrow (or when i get feedback from a few bros). As it stands now I don't think that I can really even take a cholesterol med because mine is so low. I'm not sure how much of a concern the triglyceride number should be but like I said it was after a week of moderate-heavy drinking each night and also before I began any cardio. Now I am doing 40minutes 5-6 days a week.

So I'd like to start the cycle and get either home test kits for triglyceride levels or plan to get a test like 1 month out and 2 months out. I'm going to run the cycle for 10 1/2 weeks at 39mg/day split into 3 doses.

What do you think? (aside from the 'your not ready for cycles, etc' feedback). Given my blood levels and the factors I noted, as well as plans to monitor cholesterol and tri's on cycle does anyone think it's some big risk for me to do this cycle? Like does that triglyceride number scare the sh*t out of you or anything?

Feedback greatly apprecated!

p.s. I won't blame you if I have a stroke lol

**40plusnewbie** · 10-04-2008, 04:24 AM

Well, due to the overwhelming support from baby DSM I started the cycle this morning.

And I don't know if it was due to baby DSM's support, the anavar, or placebo, but the cycling got easier about 35min into it so instead of my usual 40 minutes I did 50 minutes for the first time today. I also feel much more energized/much less tired/worn out then usual after getting off the bike.

I'm off the T3 now so I will be able to begin re-introducing HIIT into the cycling, might give it a few days though, not sure.

Feeling Good!

**40plusnewbie** · 10-04-2008, 05:27 PM

You guys are killing me here with no feedback.

Who thinks I should up the dose? And to what?

**40plusnewbie** · 10-05-2008, 05:10 AM

Woke up with an appetite this am and woke up earlier than usual. I had a scoop of slow digesting protein powder mixed with H2O before bed too.

So I ate, rested for a few, and then did my cardio.

Yesterday I did 9 miles on level 6 resistance in 50 minutes.
This morning I did 10 miles on level 6 in 50 minutes. In the past few weeks I have only been able to up my performance by like .1 mile/day or so. I had a real good sweat too, most yet by far. Many of you might think it's because of the anavar kicking in.

I know better.

It's baby DSM like an angle sitting on my shoulder pushing me to new heights and higher levels of performance.

Right now I'm drinking my am supplement mix which I added a full scoop of creatine to this morning (in addition to the tbsp that was already in there). It's dark green and basically the consistency of scum that you would scrape off of the top of a stagnated pond. I drank 1/2 of the bottle and refilled it with H2O two times and it's still as think as a milk shake lol yum yum a belly full of fun!

**Strategus** · 10-05-2008, 07:10 PM

Visit the squat rack and leg press and see what happens to the appetite the next day.

Just be sure to have the fridge stocked LOL.

(I don't have advice on the anavar though - my experience with the weights is natural).

You oughta at least try a MWF weights split so as to make good use out of that cycle.

Here's just an example - it's hardly gospel.

There are lots of other ways to do it.

Mon - chest and some back

Weds - back and arms

Fri - Leg day

Start out with the big compound exercises and later in the w/o do the smaller movements.

Example.
Mon.
3 sets bench 8-12 reps
3 sets incline 10-12 reps
3 sets overhead press 8-12 reps
maybe 2 sets behind-the-neck 10-12 reps
Sit-down row 8-12 reps

Tues.
Cardio your choice

Weds.
3 sets deadlift - 10-12 reps
3 sets BB Rows - 8-12 reps
2 sets DB Rows -8-12 reps
2 or 3 sets cable crossovers 10-12 reps
2 or 3 sets tricep pulldown -8-12reps
2 sets BB curls or DB hammer your choice - 8-12 reps

Thurs.
Cardio your choice

Fri.
3 sets squats

9-12 reps
3 sets leg press 8-12 reps
2 or 3 sets DB step ups 9-12 reps
2 sets your choice flat bench or overhead press higher reps lower weight e.g. 10-15 reps
2 sets leg extensions 10-14 reps
1 set ab crunches 15-20 reps if desired
1 set BB or DB curls 8-12 reps if desired

Sat.
Rest after leg day LOL. EAT. You will see why.

Sun.
Rest - EAT

I tried to indicate higher reps in the exercises like incline bench where accessory muscles/tendons like the rotator cuff and tendons are really important. Deadlifts (spinal erectorsin lower back) and overhead presses also use the smaller mucles/tendons quite a bit.

Your strength should go up fast on the anavar and you want to avoid the muscles outrunning the tendons. The way to avoid injury is to be sure to keep your reps at 8 or above. If you're at all uncomfortable with a strength increase, keep the reps to 10-12.

During your first week if you're just learning form (have you lifted before?) you will probably want to light weight with lots of reps.

Don't forget to do a warmup set or two for each exercise.

If you can get a buddy to spot on bench and incline, that is best. Make sure to eat sufficient macros esp. protein and get plenty of sleep. The two rest days after leg day also help to prevent injury.

BTW I'm over 40 also but female (not pink yet LOL). Am trying out DHEA now along with multivit etc. No anavar etc. yet. Am trying to go for my natural potential first. One of the reasons to lift naturally for a couple of years is to allow the accessory muscles and tendons to develop in tandem with the larger muscles.

Good luck!

P.S. The creatine should work nicely!

**40plusnewbie** · 10-06-2008, 05:01 AM

Thanks for all the feedback! I've only lifted for 3 months, it was this year and I haven't lifted for 3 months (a little when younger but quit quickly due to lack of results-unfortunately I didn't understand the connection between diet and developing muscular hypertrophy).

I think I'm going to take a week or 2 just to prime my muscles with baby weights. And I'm certainly not gonna push it during the cycle, I made that mistake at age 25 when I picked up weights for the first time in like 7 years and injured myself.

My main goal is a nice tight six-pack, prob won't get there by the end of this cycle but as long as I'm on my way....

I really want to lean down and then build from there later down the road.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-06-2008, 05:04 AM

BTW yesterday I decided to up the dose so I'm taking 52mg/day which will be divided into 4 doses spread out through the day.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-06-2008, 05:02 PM

I've been playing around with very light weights the past 2 days, want to take it slower with the weights rather than faster. I've got plenty of time to bulk on muscle, that's not what this cycle is about for me. I can feel a plesant feeling in some of the muscles I just did a very light workout on which is cool.

I've had some lower back pain (mild but it's there) over the past couple of weeks and think it might be from the big change in my routine sitting on the stationary bike every morning. It's not nerve pain thank God, I had a brief stint of that about 5 years ago and got past it with streaching. So I"ve been doing some streaching too, it's something I've done from time to time over the years as I took martial arts when I was a kid and got into the habbit then.

I've upped my creatine intake to 2 scoops/day and my appetite has seemed to increase a little recently, maybe it's b/c I stopped the T3 and just stopped the clen a cpl days ago (going to cycle benadryl without the clen, equal time on and off) but still eating healthy.

Also got a nice shipment of some whey protein today, a couple bottles of a nice multi, a couple 25g jars of idebenone, and some really nice liquid fish oil in a bottle, complete 3-6-9 *****'s.

**Strategus** · 10-06-2008, 09:18 PM

I'm not surprised the muscles feel good after lifting. Sometimes they will feel really good right after gym (endorphins) and the next day you'll be sore! (and hungry).

Since you're running anavar, your body is probably already reacting the way it would if you had already lifted for a year or two.

I got lower back pain during my first few months of lifting. At the time, I didn't know what it was, but after worrying whether I had torn something, I looked it up and found that it was the spinal erectors. The problem went away after a rest week and some time for the spinal erectors to catch up with the larger muscles. Make sure you are sleeping in a comfortable, balanced position.

The spinal erectors are rather small muscles, and when a person first starts working out, they usually lag. If you look at a bb'r (natural or on gear either way) you'll see nice definition in the lower back that's rare for an average person to have.

Stretching is great, and whey and fish oil are great. They're sort of a daily routine...

Right now, concentrate on form. If you're at a gym, ask folks to check your range of motion on the various lifts while doing light weights. Squats can be a little tricky to go down far enough.

Good luck!

**40plusnewbie** · 10-06-2008, 11:39 PM

I woke up hungry at 1am. I read anavar decreased a lot of ppl's appetite.... it's either increasing mine or my body is reacting to the d/c of T3 and break from clen (used both only very short term). I have neve woken up hungry in the past, even when I was very fat and not lifting or when I was lifting a few months ago.

I"m not really using much energy in the weights I've lifted over the past couple of days, I'm just playing with baby weights (8lb and 30lb dumbbells) and have only done a set or 2 for different muscle groups.....

So I took 3/4 scoop of slow digest protein with h2o, I had taken 1/2 scoop before bed in addition to 5 egg whites....

**40plusnewbie** · 10-07-2008, 02:48 AM

Woke up an hour early again this am in addition to the 1 am hunger wake up. Up until a couple weeks ago I slept like a baby through the whole night, not even ever getting up to use the bathroom.

Not sure what to attribute this to, but it sucks! I don't need too much sleep ~ 6hrs and I"m good, but this waking early or in the middle of the night stuff sucks. It started around the time I started with clen, I'm off that now for the next week but it's still happening. I even took 2 benadryl before bed. Blah...

Current weight 235lbs. Last night before bed 239lbs. I should be able to work my abs again this afternoon/early evening, the pain is almost gone from my first bout with crunches on the exercise ball like 4 days ago. I've been playing it safe and didn't even do my stomach vacuum on shcedule, choosing to give the painful ab muscles rest figuring that would be the best strategy rather than pushing muscles that were in pain.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-07-2008, 03:09 AM

nevermind

**physicslifter** · 10-07-2008, 08:04 PM

Hey bro, just came across your log. I thought you'd already been lifting for a while....but it's good to see that you've started. Take advantage of the AAS and hit the weights hard....your recovery muscle wise will be better now than when you're off cycle, so no since to lift light...don't overdo it, but up the weights so you're growing...and burning more calories.

Also, I'd save the prop you've made for next cycle....get the bf% down to help reduce potential sides...though, if you do add it in, you'll see bf drop faster, you'll just have to keep an eye on the sides..... also, now that you know where to get powder (I saw your post on the other forum), you might want to go that route instead of the conversion and not have to worry about estro.

keep up the good work and up the intensity!

**40plusnewbie** · 10-08-2008, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by physicslifter

Hey bro, just came across your log. I thought you'd already been lifting for a while....but it's good to see that you've started. Take advantage of the AAS and hit the weights hard....your recovery muscle wise will be better now than when you're off cycle, so no since to lift light...don't overdo it, but up the weights so you're growing...and burning more calories.

Also, I'd save the prop you've made for next cycle....get the bf% down to help reduce potential sides...though, if you do add it in, you'll see bf drop faster, you'll just have to keep an eye on the sides..... also, now that you know where to get powder (I saw your post on the other forum), you might want to go that route instead of the conversion and not have to worry about estro.

keep up the good work and up the intensity!

Thanks for the support! Actually that post I made about the prop was a lapse of judgement on my part, in retrospect I can see that. I was feeling soooo good and pumped about the cycle I was getting ahead of myself mentally.

I hear you about taking full advantage of the cycle re: lifting hard (but not overdoing it). Something I have to take into consideration though is that I"m 41 and out of shape. It's a lot different being 41 and picking up weights for basically the first time (well I did lift for 3 months earlier this year) than it is being 20 and picking up weights for the first time. And since I hear that var really increases strength I am at a real risk for injuring myself re: jacking a tendon if I"m not careful.

I appreciate your advice and am going to run the best lifting program I'm able to, the var is still kicking in, but my muscles are not even primed to be used to weights at all at this point. 3 months ago I was doing 3 sets of crunches on an exercise ball with a 30lb dumbbell on my chest and then 3 sets of leg raises right after. I would be sore the next day but nothing bad. The first day I started the var I held an 8lb dumbbell behind my head to do a set of crunches on my exercise ball and got 10 reps in (I believe in working abs with heavy weights/low reps rather than going crazy with high number crunches). I did really streach back farther than usual though. On my second set I had to put down that 8lb. dumbbell after the 2nd rep to finish a set of 10. One more set of 10 and my abs were spent. Too sore to hit the lower abs. Then my abs remained sore as hell up until yesterday (and were still a little sore then). So I think it's gonna take a couple weeks to just get my muscles primed, used to moving weights. I doubt 5-6 weeks in I will have that kind of lag time with extended high levels of pain 3 days after an ab workout. But now that's the way it is with my muscles. Hopefully that will change in a couple weeks and I'll be able to do a reasonably solid workout and get good recovery quickly.

So I'm gonna do my best to take advantage of this cycle re: developing my muscles but I am starting from a really weak point relative to really anyone else on a steroid cycle. I've been going back and forth on how best to use clen, etc and I think that one way I am going to take advantage of this cycle is to add T3 back in and use it along with the clen. Since I have a high bf that is a primary issue for me anyway. Since I"m on an AAS now I"m gonna up the dose from what I was using prior to starting the anavar too.

And I'm not sure but I don't think that T3 and clen (with benadryl cycled in) along with the var will interfere with me developing my muscles.

As you can see from my lame 'before' photo it's not like I have developed muscles anyway

It's gonna be hard *not* to make progress there unless I don't touch weights at all LMAO

**40plusnewbie** · 10-08-2008, 12:36 PM

Also, I must say that I am pleased with what I see visually in the mirror thus far.

I've been hitting the cardio pretty hard and am actually going to cut back some by dropping to 5 days/wk to give my leg muscles some chance to rest. I have really been putting them through their paces, from virtually no exercize to 40-50min of endurance level on the stationary bike 6 days/wk. I want to see if taking days off will be in my best interests re: resting my leg muscles. Pushing through the pain I feel during the first 10-15 min is no problem but I figure my legs need days off to rest since they are not conditioned at all.

My trunk has begun to slim out so I"m excited about continued transformation.

**Strategus** · 10-08-2008, 08:28 PM

I just lost a kinda long post I had written to you (that smilie list doesn't like my old computer), so I'll summarize it briefly.

I think you might try a program with the big lifts with maybe 4 sets of 12-15 reps. (Higher reps than normal to avoid possibility of injury).

You can do this with dumbbells by setting up several from larger to smaller. Then, do sets sort of like this (weight mentioned are examples only - you will need a variety of weights).

(Always do warm up set or two first)

Set 1
15 reps x 60lbs

Set 2
11 reps x 60 lbs (time to go lighter)

Set 3
12 reps x 50 lbs

Set 4
13 reps x 40 lbs

The big lifts are better at building muscle/raising metabolism for a beginner than doing smaller exercises. I do stuff like abs or curls or flies at the end of a workout but do rows or presses or whatever toward the beginning.

I did a lot of cardio from 2002-2006 but plateau'd and only saw results again when I started lifting in spring of '07 with emphasis on the compound lifts. I do the 7-12 rep range - I'm too old for the Rippetoe program, although I think it's great for a younger person and it emphasizes the lifts that build muscle.

My feeling is it's best to just do the anavar by itself for right now (not with clen or T3), since you don't know how your body will react to it.

For your next cycle, test sounds like a good move. I'd work on a solid lifting program before doing that, along with having a clean bulking diet planned.

Have you changed your diet any since starting the anavar?

Cardio is good, but you really need the lifting to build muscle and raise the metabolism. I looked again at your picture and you have a decent muscle base on which to build. I don't think you're at much risk for injury as long as you keep the reps fairly high.

Do you lift @home or in a gym? (I'm only asking because I don't know what kind of equipment you have access to).

**AdamGH** · 10-08-2008, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Strategus

I just lost a kinda long post I had written to you (that smilie list doesn't like my old computer), so I'll summarize it briefly.

thats why i always highlight what i type, copy, then click submit. so if it gets lost, i just have to paste it in a new window.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-09-2008, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Strategus

I just lost a kinda long post I had written to you (that smilie list doesn't like my old computer), so I'll summarize it briefly.

I think you might try a program with the big lifts with maybe 4 sets of 12-15 reps. (Higher reps than normal to avoid possibility of injury).

You can do this with dumbbells by setting up several from larger to smaller. Then, do sets sort of like this (weight mentioned are examples only - you will need a variety of weights).

(Always do warm up set or two first)

Set 1
15 reps x 60lbs

Set 2
11 reps x 60 lbs (time to go lighter)

Set 3
12 reps x 50 lbs

Set 4
13 reps x 40 lbs

The big lifts are better at building muscle/raising metabolism for a beginner than doing smaller exercises. I do stuff like abs or curls or flies at the end of a workout but do rows or presses or whatever toward the beginning.

I did a lot of cardio from 2002-2006 but plateau'd and only saw results again when I started lifting in spring of '07 with emphasis on the compound lifts. I do the 7-12 rep range - I'm too old for the Rippetoe program, although I think it's great for a younger person and it emphasizes the lifts that build muscle.

My feeling is it's best to just do the anavar by itself for right now (not with clen or T3), since you don't know how your body will react to it.

For your next cycle, test sounds like a good move. I'd work on a solid lifting program before doing that, along with having a clean bulking diet planned.

Have you changed your diet any since starting the anavar?

Cardio is good, but you really need the lifting to build muscle and raise the metabolism. I looked again at your picture and you have a decent muscle base on which to build. I don't think you're at much risk for injury as long as you keep the reps fairly high.

Do you lift @home or in a gym? (I'm only asking because I don't know what kind of equipment you have access to).

Thanks for all the advice bro. I lift at home and have very minimal equipment. I will be joining a gym at the latest after this winter. The reasons I don't belong to a gym (not saying they are good reasons, but they are my reasons):

pride/vanity- I'm fat and out of shape and kind of embarrassed to be working out in a gym with my current body

ego/insecurity/safety- At a gym I will be more inclined to go for lifting heavier weights b/c others are around and given my age, lack of exerience, and lack of conditioning I'll be at increased risk of pushing it too hard and injuring myself

To be honest, mostly it's because I'm fat and out of shape and want to look good before joining a gym. I know that's irrational. It's my pride/ego/whatever.

At home I only have an exercise ball (the big one you lie on to work abs), and 4 sets of dumbbells 8lbs (my wife's), 30's, 45's, and 55's.

Regarding my diet, I am eating really clean. I don't have my macro's down or cals/day/meal down but am eating more protein than the others. The foods I eat are very restricted and I believe very healthy.

I have made a few modifications since starting the var (or shortly before that). I added ezekiel bread and yams, increased greens/veggies, dropped blueberries and strawberries- subbing with pomegranite extract which is in the mail on it's way to me, dropped yogurt, and resumed fish oil (I had stopped for a month or so prior)

Carbs: yams, oats, salads (extra virgin olive oil and vinigar only), cauliflower, broccoli, and occasionally protein enriched pasta (try to stay away from this b/c pasta is a trigger food for me to pig out), beans, and ezekiel bread, waxy maize carb slam

fats: natty pb, almonds, extra virgin olive oil, and fish oil

protein: skinless chicken breast, ground turkey, ground chicken, salmon, fat free cottage cheese, egg whites, casein protein, whey protein

I try to eat every 3 hours, protein every meal with a carb or fat, sometimes a little of each. I keep a journal of everything I eat and the times I eat but don't have my macro's down as I said. I'm going by what I feel my body needs and by watching my body in the mirror.

If I had to guess I would say Im eating 50% protein, 25% fat and 25% carbs. When the lifting increases the carbs will be increasing but I"ve been sick for a cpl days and have only done very light lifting since starting the var thus far.

The only things I drink are water (1-2 gallons/day) and a cup of black coffee with 4 little packs of sweet 'n low in the morning. I had a cup of caffiene free tea last night I got as a free gift with some healthfood supplements I ordered and might have a cup of tea once in a while for a change of pace/relaxation but H20 is the only liquid I take- no milk, no soda, no juice.

Occasionally I have a bad/cheat meal, typically when visiting someone for dinner but it's bad by clean food standards not bad by general eating standards. I can't say I'm immune to slips but have been doing really well sticking to the above foods.

**ghettoboyd** · 10-09-2008, 02:56 PM

keep at it bro.i use the mirror more than the scale when cutting. the mirror dosent lie.how about some progress picks?anyway im following.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-09-2008, 04:35 PM

OK, here are before and current, the after's were taken at night w/out natural light so they didn't come out as good as the before. I've still got a ways to go but the abdominal fat is less:

**40plusnewbie** · 10-09-2008, 04:47 PM

And yes, that is baby DSM hanging around my neck on a string. See his legs hanging below the camera lol

**40plusnewbie** · 10-09-2008, 09:07 PM

Did a couple of short/light workouts with weights today. 4 sets on my delts and 2 on my traps in the am then in the afternoon I felt re-energized and did 4 sets bi's, 4 sets tri's, and 2 sets both anterior and posterior forearms. I was planning on doing some ab work this evening but got tied up with the wife. I'm used to short workouts, under 30 minutes. Not sure if that will change but the second workout felt good and I was pleased that I wanted to work the abs in the pm too. I took 2 shakes today due to the 2 workouts, essentially an extra meal plus 2 of my other meals had more carbs than usual. I'll be interested in what the scale says tomorrow. For the past 2-3 days I've been at 234 lbs. My legs are also showing some muscular development from all the cardio I've been doing.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-09-2008, 09:09 PM

Oh yeah, by the way, I really like steroids

**sonysucks** · 10-09-2008, 11:09 PM

A few of us plus 40's like em.
My Anavar starts Dec 1st. Along with some test.
I am enjoying your candor...it shows your ego is in check firend. Keep at it ...its worth it.
Here is my before and after my first cycle. Lost 15lbs of fat and gained 12lbs of muscle.
Gonna pm ya a tip. It will make ya smile.

**Strategus** · 10-10-2008, 12:27 AM

Hello 40plus -

Diet sounds great!!!!

I didn't go to a gym at the start either. Your set of DB's sounds pretty good. As your strength goes up and you start trying different exercises, you may wish to add to the collection. Early this year, I picked up a bench (no rack though) for real cheap at a thrift store. I've also been to a scrap yard and picked up weights really cheap (creativity helps).

Pics look like you've made progress in the waist area! Enjoy the anavar!

P.S. Awesome progress Sony!

**TheKing.** · 10-12-2008, 04:20 AM

Does anavar have any affect on hair loss?

**40plusnewbie** · 10-12-2008, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by TheKing.

Does anavar have any affect on hair loss?

I have read that it does. My hair, however, is about as thick as a man's hair comes. For years and years hair stylists have commented on my hair and how thick it is, many being jealous and saying they wish they had my hair. For me it's a pain in the ass b/c I need frequent hair cuts or my hair just grows up and out, not 'long'. Since I have been a kid hair sytlists have commented stuff like "you'll never have to worry about going bald". So even if I do exerience some hair loss on my head, my hair will still be thicker than 99% of the male populations' hair. A little hair loss (thinning, not receding) would actually be welcome by me. I would exerience it as a benefit, not a drawback.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-12-2008, 06:43 AM

Current weight: 238lbs. up from 234lbs a couple days ago. Might not all be muscle but I"m definitely not 4 pounds fatter.

Still doing very light intensity, light weight workouts. Yesterday I worked lower abs 6 sets (my lower abs are non-existent as I think happens with all people when they get older unless they stay athletic) and 2 sets of squats, 2 sets of dead lifts (baby weights).

I have not done cardio in 4 days, am going to do 50 minutes later this morning. Reason: conscious choice to cut back to give legs a break and also I've been under the weather, as well as very very busy with work or I would have hit the stationary bike yesterday.

I"m going to stick with light weights for the time being, I can feel it in my muscles the next day so I know they are being impacted. I'd much rather move up in weight and # of sets too slow than too fast, as I have said many times this cycle isn't about getting big for me, it's primarilly about thinning my mid section and beginning to develop a tight waist and 6 pack. Whatever muscles I can develop is just a bonus. I can run more cycles in the future when my muscles are well primed and used to lifting.

I'll post up more pic's in another month to see how much progress I make (hopefully some lol) but I"m working with weights regularly now (gonna lay off the weights with abs for a couple weeks to get them more primed though due to my experience working abs the first day of starting anavar).

Also, I developed a very slight injury in my left wrist working my bi's, the same thing happened a few months back when I picked up weights for the first time in like 15 years, something like a strained tendon in the inner anterior section of my wrist. It quickly went away last time but it's a sign that I need to be careful and not push things. I think it's already healed but won't know for sure until I work my bi's in a couple days or so.

**DSM4Life** · 10-12-2008, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by 40plusnewbie

Current weight: 238lbs. up from 234lbs a couple days ago. Might not all be muscle but I"m definitely not 4 pounds fatter.

Still doing very light intensity, light weight workouts. Yesterday I worked lower abs 6 sets (my lower abs are non-existent as I think happens with all people when they get older unless they stay athletic) and 2 sets of squats, 2 sets of dead lifts (baby weights).

I have not done cardio in 4 days, am going to do 50 minutes later this morning. Reason: conscious choice to cut back to give legs a break and also I've been under the weather, as well as very very busy with work or I would have hit the stationary bike yesterday.

I"m going to stick with light weights for the time being, I can feel it in my muscles the next day so I know they are being impacted. I'd much rather move up in weight and # of sets too slow than too fast, as I have said many times this cycle isn't about getting big for me, it's primarilly about thinning my mid section and beginning to develop a tight waist and 6 pack. Whatever muscles I can develop is just a bonus. I can run more cycles in the future when my muscles are well primed and used to lifting.

I'll post up more pic's in another month to see how much progress I make (hopefully some lol) but I"m working with weights regularly now (gonna lay off the weights with abs for a couple weeks to get them more primed though due to my experience working abs the first day of starting anavar).

Also, I developed a very slight injury in my left wrist working my bi's, the same thing happened a few months back when I picked up weights for the first time in like 15 years, something like a strained tendon in the inner anterior section of my wrist. It quickly went away last time but it's a sign that I need to be careful and not push things. I think it's already healed but won't know for sure until I work my bi's in a couple days or so.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-12-2008, 02:08 PM

U want me to tear a tendon bro? I'm using my 30lb dumbbells for the most part right now. I'm not here to impress anyone, I"m here to improve my body and health, safely. I don't need to be maxing out trying to do 1 or 2 curls with the 55's and then going to the 45's then to the 30's right now.

As long as I develop the body I want to develop at a pace I am comfortable with all is good with me. I'm not in competition with anyone.

Last month it was "your cycle is gonna be worthless"

This month it is "your lazy, you can build more muscle than that"

What's it gonna be next month?

Don't worry bro, this cycle is still dedicated to you and I've got like 9 weeks to go or something like that.

**DSM4Life** · 10-12-2008, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by 40plusnewbie

Last month it was "your cycle is gonna be worthless"

This month it is "your lazy, you can build more muscle than that"

What's it gonna be next month?

Don't worry bro, this cycle is still dedicated to you and I've got like 9 weeks to go or something like that.

Hmmm not sure yet. I like to come up with my insults on the fly.

**KINGKONG** · 10-12-2008, 08:37 PM

You kinda got the Will Ferall look..No disrespect meant..You just remind me of Frank the Tank..

**AdamGH** · 10-13-2008, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by 40plusnewbie

U want me to tear a tendon bro? I'm using my 30lb dumbbells for the most part right now. I'm not here to impress anyone, I"m here to improve my body and health, safely. I don't need to be maxing out trying to do 1 or 2 curls with the 55's and then going to the 45's then to the 30's right now.

As long as I develop the body I want to develop at a pace I am comfortable with all is good with me. I'm not in competition with anyone.

try increasing your weight every set. that way you get plenty of warm up when you hit that last set at a heavy weight.

for example:

sitting alternating bicep curls:

35 lbs x10 reps, 40x 10, 45 x10, 50 x10 = 4 sets

safest way to go imo. replace the lbs for whatever lbs you like to do.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-13-2008, 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by KINGKONG

You kinda got the Will Ferall look..No disrespect meant..You just remind me of Frank the Tank..

Check back in on me in 1 year. And go look at one of my first posts where there is a link to my 'before-before' pic or something like that. I had the John Candy look last summer @ 295lbs. John Candy-to-Will Ferall- to ?- to -?- to -?

The great thing about having the Frank the Tank look is how good it's going to feel month to month as I make improvements on my physical appearance. BTW, is Will Ferall a broad shouldered 6'2"?

And no disprespect dude, but are you a dickhead on purpose or does it just come out that way naturally?

**ghettoboyd** · 10-13-2008, 05:39 AM

bro i can see some good progress in them pics. dont let peeps get you down. just keep working hard and you will find success. its not easy but if your heart is in it and i can see it is you will get there.

**KINGKONG** · 10-13-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by 40plusnewbie

Check back in on me in 1 year. And go look at one of my first posts where there is a link to my 'before-before' pic or something like that. I had the John Candy look last summer @ 295lbs. John Candy-to-Will Ferall- to ?- to -?- to -?

The great thing about having the Frank the Tank look is how good it's going to feel month to month as I make improvements on my physical appearance. BTW, is Will Ferall a broad shouldered 6'2"?

And no disprespect dude, but are you a dickhead on purpose or does it just come out that way naturally?

I def a natural dickhead..Congrats on losing the weight..I wouldn't get all pissed off Frank the Tank is the man and he is a pretty broad shouldered and the ladies def love him long time...

**DSM4Life** · 10-13-2008, 05:25 PM

40plusnewbie , congrats on the progress. I hope this compliment doesn't make you hate me any less as your hatred for me has turned into your motivation.

**40plusnewbie** · 10-13-2008, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

40plusnewbie , congrats on the progress. I hope this compliment doesn't make you hate me any less as your hatred for me has turned into your motivation.

It's all good bro. I'm really focused on my muscle development now. It's become an obsession for me. My wife told me tonight "your paranoid about your muscles". English isn't her first language so that's her way of saying "you've become obsessed with building muscle"

I took a double shake after working my abs today (2 scoops whey, 2 scoops carb slam) and I'm taking double casein shake right now. Gonna experiment and see if the increase is gonna go toward muscle or bloat/fat. Might take me a few days to figure it out.

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