Var cycle critique if you guys dont mind

[Cocklyaev]

24 years old. "10" years training. 5'8. 207. 13%ish BF. Several cycles under my belt. Diet in semi-check, but will update for cycle however.

I know it isnt recommended, but i have been considering an all Var cycle for a while because i tend to re-develop gyno problems with most other gear. I am planning on taking 80mg ED for 5-6 weeks (in addition to many ancillaries reminiscant of CD's anavar log) . I would like to stack it with something else, but i dont think that my nips can handle it...i cant find another alternative, but any suggestions of other gear to stack with are appreciated. I am going to stick with an all nolva pct, and if necessary some letro...comments guys?

[Titleist]

Don't run letro in your PCT. Sub that for Aromasin. Var only at 80mg/ED will be fine, however, I wouldn't run it less than 6 weeks personally. If you are looking for an oral only cycle, you can add in Turinabol. If not, I would suggest adding in Masteron Prop for 8-10 weeks or Mast E for 12 weeks.

What are your goals for this cycle?

[Cocklyaev]

I would run it for longer than 6 weeks, but its awfully expensive...as far as turinabol, i was reading mixed opinions on its effects on gyno, so im not too sure, but i guess i have to do a little more reading.

My goals are essentially to find something (no matter the price obviously) that wont induce gyno and that isnt myogenx lol. But really, my goal is to just get things going again after a 2 month+ letro "gyno reversal" (was a little useless for me) and followed by 1 month of nolva as to make sure i wouldnt get a rebound from that stuff again. That whole process really just slugged me out you know, and ive really been doing my best now, but i just think its time for a little something extra again.

[james21]

Don't run letro in your PCT. Sub that for Aromasin. Var only at 80mg/ED will be fine, however, I wouldn't run it less than 6 weeks personally. If you are looking for an oral only cycle, you can add in Turinabol. If not, I would suggest adding in Masteron Prop for 8-10 weeks or Mast E for 12 weeks.

What are your goals for this cycle?

I would suggest the same thing Masteron would be a good addition ... I have probs with gybno as well.. Tbol and Masteron are great if you have that problem.

[Cocklyaev]

I appreciate the help guys...however, if i were to run tbol along with the var, would running 60mg ED alongside it be a good route to take? it would be redundant to start one and then come in with the other right? or am i wrong? let me know if possible

[james21]

Best for you would be to go with Tbol and masteron....

[Panzerfaust]

A nice cylce for you would be Var/Mast/Test or take the Var out and run Tbol

Cheers

[Cocklyaev]

i would, but for now all i got is the papervar source, and the paperturin happens to be there too...so thats why im really set on these, not because im a needle virgin lol

[K.Biz]

tbol is an oral correct? are people saying he should stack tbol with var?

so what would you suggest for a cycle? 6 weeks of tbol and 6 weeks of var?

so 12 weeks of orals?

[ss01]

tbol is an oral correct? are people saying he should stack tbol with var?

so what would you suggest for a cycle? 6 weeks of tbol and 6 weeks of var?

so 12 weeks of orals?

Why not? They aren't toxic.

Although what I would do is just get quite a bit of raloxifene, run that high, it is very mild on sides, and then just run a good ole test/whatever/whatever cycle...

[Panzerfaust]

Why not? They aren't toxic.

Although what I would do is just get quite a bit of raloxifene, run that high, it is very mild on sides, and then just run a good ole test/whatever/whatever cycle...

Only a moron would run orals for 12wks. 6-8wks max for orals and some think 8wks is pushing it. I know for me personally I wouldn't run any longer than 8wks.

And I would not run Tbol and Var together.

[testisbest]

I'd run var and tbol together at 50mg a day each for 10 weeks.

[ss01]

Only a moron would run orals for 12wks. 6-8wks max for orals and some think 8wks is pushing it. I know for me personally I wouldn't run any longer than 8wks.

And I would not run Tbol and Var together.

You are confused.

Var & Tbol are not Drol & dbol or winny.

Drol & dbol work mostly through the synthesis of creatine within the muscle cell. That is why the "gains" they provide are mostly transient, and are thus only good for kick-starting an injectables' cycle. In such a case, there is really no need to run those any longer than it takes for the injectables to kick in.

Drol or dbol alone in a cycle will provide almost no net gains unless you are a newbie. Thus what most experienced guys say "oral-only cycles don't work". Which is true, when you think of only dbol and drol, or include winny, looking for mass.

But Anavar and Turinabol can provide real muscle gains just as the injectables do. The same kinds of gains. Yes you do stress your liver somewhat and so you should not run them indefinitely. But var is almost completely non-toxic and Tbol has lower toxicity than dbol.

With the appropriate liver protection, there is no reason why orals, THE RIGHT ONES, cannot be used successfully for much longer than the usual 4-6 weeks. Of course again proper liver care and enzyme monitoring are important to learning your limits, which are HIGHLY INDIVIDUAL.

[convalescence69]

I did Tbol/Var for 8 weeks, good gains. I was running the var at 80-100, and I noticed I got really oily and I was losing more hair than usual, so I dropped that down to 40. The pumps with var are great too. When I was doing curls, I could FEEL the blood rushing into my arms, was tingly all over, very cool stuff.
Also important, and I don't think anyone touched on this here. You want to run the Var a little longer than the tbol. Reason being, if you look at the steroid profiles for Var, you will see there is a LH rebound effect when you get off Var, and that will help with PCT getting your levels back to normal. Here is a copy paste from the var profile: "Serum testosterone, SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), and LH (Leutinizing Hormone) will be slightly suppressed with low doses of Anavar, but less than with other compounds. FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone) , IGF1 (Insulin Like Growth Factor 1) and GH (Growth Hormone) will not be suppressed with a low dose of Anavar, but will actually be raised significantly (12)(13)(14) as you may have guessed, and LH will even experience a "rebound" effect when you stop using anavar"

[convalescence69]

one more thing on the var, if you run it at a high dose you WILL get gyno, so an AI or a SERM is needed. Use Nolva for PCT and maybe some clomid too.

[K.Biz]

tbol/var stacked is a BAD idea. and who said they werent toxic? is a complete moron. its a 17 alk. no matter what its toxic. it has to pass through the liver. stacking orals is a bad idea... have i dont yet? yes. but would i do it again? no. run them seperatly with better gains.

[testisbest]

tbol/var stacked is a BAD idea. and who said they werent toxic? is a complete moron. its a 17 alk. no matter what its toxic. it has to pass through the liver. stacking orals is a bad idea... have i dont yet? yes. but would i do it again? no. run them seperatly with better gains.

How would you get better gains running them seperatly? I agree that they are both toxic but as long as your having your blood checked I'd run these 2 orals together for 12 weeks if I was still gaining after week 10. Actually, I'd rather stack tbol and var than take 100mg of drol.

[taiboxa]

tbol/var stacked is a BAD idea. and who said they werent toxic? is a complete moron. its a 17 alk. no matter what its toxic. it has to pass through the liver. stacking orals is a bad idea... have i dont yet? yes. but would i do it again? no. run them seperatly with better gains.

please elaborate.