Most Common Beginners Cycles - Look here..

[MickeyKnox]

Thank you Mickyknox and Tron I will listen and stick with test only and see how my body reacts , i will gather more info and educate my self, later on the future do a slingshot, now should I continue working out as slingshot program which is one body part a day and no more then 9-12 sets and do the high intensity 8-10 all the way since am not doing a Deload anymore what do you guys in your experience should I do cause before AAS I will workout till my body part felt accomplish about 12-15 sets and I was mixing high intense with high reps, like a pyramid. What you guys recommend. You don't know how much you guys are helping me ?

Never mind the slingshot and deload non sense. This is your first cycle. Concentrate on administering your Test, AI and hCG correctly. Thats all you need to focus on besides your diet, right now. Don't complicate this any further.

Stick with what i outlined and you'll be fine. Get through your first cycle FIRST. You need to learn how to walk before you run.

[mr.lenny]

Into concern is not to overtrain and get the most from AAS,.. Cause AAS help you heal quicker for the next day! So am thinking train harm till I feel the pump,and not hurt myself afcouse!!! Question guys I read different articles that approaches overtraining as not a big deal stating "your body with good nutrition and rest will pass it, it never says to stop training! And to be honest the biggest guys I see are the ones who just got home from jail!!! They all tell me train every day night morning and during lunch they deff overtrain and don't have a great nutrition I said genetics but it can't be that all guys with great genetics go to jail??? Lol
My routine
Mon chest/tris
Tues rest
Wends back/bis
Thursday legs
Friday rest
Sat shoulders/traps
Rest
9-12 sets 8-10 reps per body part
Rest between 1min to 1 1/2min

Any changes I should do now that I won't do a slingshot method ??? Gracias!!!

[MickeyKnox]

Lenny,

Start a thread in the Exercise/Workout Forum and you will get all the exercise help there. Thanks.

Workouts and Lifting techniques

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...S#.UHnjba7X_fs

[MickeyKnox]

Bump..

[MickeyKnox]

Bump..

[ELBOZ]

Is this a sticky yet..I have it bookmarked but if it's not it should be

[Tron3219]

No, but I agree it should b so MK doesn't have to bump it everyday! Lol

-TroN-

[Provita]

Sticky PLEEEEEEASE!!

[AliYousaf]

Only for Aromasin.

Yes, refrigerate after you reconstitute hCG. Does it still working?

Mickey! How long can the hCG be refrigerated for when diluted with the supplied water. I have given up on BAC WATER.

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[AliYousaf]

What im referring to is the visual and felt sides that are associated with rising or falling Estrogen. Example: acne, erectile dysfunction, water retention, mood..ect. Im able to adjust my AI using these sides as i now know my body fairly well.

However, this isn't etched in stone. Bloodwork is very important and should not be substituted for "signs."

Invest in a pill splitter and dose your Adex .25 EOD to begin. Monitor accordingly, preferably with bloodwork.

I am going through the entire thread once again. Pardon my questions.
If the symptoms like acne, ED, water retention and mood swings occur, one should lower the dose of 10 mg Aromasin to how much ?
And in the case of Gyno one should tapper up the dose to how much?
What I have understood by monitoring the blood work is, to get my Total Test and free test checked. Right ??
I have done some blood work last month.
My PSA ( Prostate specific agent) was and still might be 0.215 ng/ml
Estradiol ( I couldn't get E2 sensitive done) 18.9 Pg/ml
Free Testosterone 17.9 pg/ml
Testosterone 529.3 ng/dl
Now I have this report and and am not sure if I am good to go with my first cycle. I have had almost complete blood panel that cost me a fortune only highlighted the ones that really matter
Anyways.. So if these values are good to go, I assume I would have to check once more in the mid of the cycle and then in the end before pct. right.
Looking forward.

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[MickeyKnox]

Mickey! How long can the hCG be refrigerated for when diluted with the supplied water. I have given up on BAC WATER.

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50 days or so with Bac Water, but i preload and freeze anything longer than 3wks so my hCG is never in the refrigerator longer than 3 wks.

Ill send you a pm. Dont give up yet.

I am going through the entire thread once again. Pardon my questions.
If the symptoms like acne, ED, water retention and mood swings occur, one should lower the dose of 10 mg Aromasin to how much ? No. You need to raise your dose if all these symptoms occur.
And in the case of Gyno one should tapper up the dose to how much? No idea. Everyone responds differently. And depending on the severity of your Gyno, you may only require Nolva or Ralox to effectively combat this.
What I have understood by monitoring the blood work is, to get my Total Test and free test checked. Right ?? Thats part of it. But a more comprehensive blood panel is recommended in oredre to have a solid baseline of the most important or relevant hormones.
I have done some blood work last month.
My PSA ( Prostate specific agent) was and still might be 0.215 ng/ml That's not high, imho.
Estradiol ( I couldn't get E2 sensitive done) 18.9 Pg/ml If its not a sensitive E2 then the results are not accurate for males.
Free Testosterone 17.9 pg/ml
Testosterone 529.3 ng/dl
Now I have this report and and am not sure if I am good to go with my first cycle. I have had almost complete blood panel that cost me a fortune only highlighted the ones that really matter
Anyways.. So if these values are good to go, I assume I would have to check once more in the mid of the cycle and then in the end before pct. right.
Looking forward. If you can afford it, i would do BW in the middle and at the end.

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If you want to put up your full blood work panel in the HRT forums the Specialists in there can go over it in better detail and point out any areas that need attention. I do not have the education to properly comment on your blood work, other than what i have indicated already.

[Provita]

Bump

[human project]

50 days or so with Bac Water, but i preload and freeze anything longer than 3wks so my hCG is never in the refrigerator longer than 3 wks.

Ill send you a pm. Dont give up yet.

If you want to put up your full blood work panel in the HRT forums the Specialists in there can go over it in better detail and point out any areas that need attention. I do not have the education to properly comment on your blood work, other than what i have indicated already.

Since I only use 250mcg every 4-6 days and I get 5000iu amps how could I save some of the powder??? Does it have enough weight to split up?? Could I just cut the puck in half or something???? My hcg usually last me 3-4months. I just finished an amp and it seemed to be working the same as ever but now reading this I'm second guessing my protocol

[AliYousaf]

50 days or so with Bac Water, but i preload and freeze anything longer than 3wks so my hCG is never in the refrigerator longer than 3 wks.

Ill send you a pm. Dont give up yet.

If you want to put up your full blood work panel in the HRT forums the Specialists in there can go over it in better detail and point out any areas that need attention. I do not have the education to properly comment on your blood work, other than what i have indicated already.

Thanks Bro! Helped a lot much appreciated. And thanks for the PM

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[MickeyKnox]

Since I only use 250mcg every 4-6 days and I get 5000iu amps how could I save some of the powder??? Does it have enough weight to split up?? Could I just cut the puck in half or something???? My hcg usually last me 3-4months. I just finished an amp and it seemed to be working the same as ever but now reading this I'm second guessing my protocol

Freezing hCG

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UJKMCGfX_fs

Thanks Bro! Helped a lot much appreciated. And thanks for the PM

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Youre welcome, good luck.

[jaswave125]

Hey mickey would you recommend running 600mg of testosterone enanthate everyweek for 10weeks? Im asking this because im getting a 300mg/ml vial or would it be to much for a first timer?

[kronik420]

Hey mickey would you recommend running 600mg of testosterone enanthate everyweek for 10weeks? Im asking this because im getting a 300mg/ml vial or would it be to much for a first timer?

if you wanted to get closer to 500mg/week, you could just inject .8 or .9mls each time..

.8 would be 480mg/week

.9 would be 540mg/week

[jaswave125]

if you wanted to get closer to 500mg/week, you could just inject .8 or .9mls each time..

.8 would be 480mg/week

.9 would be 540mg/week

Yeah I got that figured out. I just wanted to know if its safe to run 600mg of test, a saw an article in another site comparing 300mg vs 600mg of test stating that the 600mg group had better gains and did not have any significant side effects compared to the 300mg group.

And I would like to completely empty my vial and dont keep anything as I plan to take a long long break before beginning another cycle.

[kronik420]

Yeah I got that figured out. I just wanted to know if its safe to run 600mg of test, a saw an article in another site comparing 300mg vs 600mg of test stating that the 600mg group had better gains and did not have any significant side effects compared to the 300mg group.

And I would like to completely empty my vial and dont keep anything as I plan to take a long long break before beginning another cycle.

if it were me, i would just go with the 600mg/week..

as long as you keep your estrogen under control.. sides should be minimal..

[hell911]

what is the advantages and disadvantages of::

Most Common Beginners Cycles.


Option 2. Long Ester

and

Option 3. Short Ester ?

[Tron3219]

what is the advantages and disadvantages of::

Most Common Beginners Cycles.

Option 2. Long Ester

and

Option 3. Short Ester ?

Long ester u pin less, longer cycle = more time off

Short ester u pin more, shorter cycle= less time off

-TroN-

[hell911]

^
oh, so in terms of gains, it all depends on my diet.

meaning i can choose anyone of them and get the same results?

[Kingsmen]

Is there any chance i can PM Tron3219 or Mickey?
Can't even seem to find the PM option on this forum.

Would like to ask something but don't really want to post it here.
Would be boss if you could spare me 15 minutes of your time, although I'm sure your packed with PM's already.

Thanks guys

[jaswave125]

Is there any chance i can PM Tron3219 or Mickey?
Can't even seem to find the PM option on this forum.

Would like to ask something but don't really want to post it here.
Would be boss if you could spare me 15 minutes of your time, although I'm sure your packed with PM's already.

Thanks guys

You got no choice you should have a number of posts before you can pm somebody read the rules. So the only option would bs post it here they are nice guys as long as your questions are not something they have stated

[Kingsmen]

You got no choice you should have a number of posts before you can pm somebody read the rules. So the only option would bs post it here they are nice guys as long as your questions are not something they have stated

Interesting, i frequent a lot of forums and there usually not like that.
Wanted to post up some pictures and collect some thoughts but i don't think i want to post it here.
Might disrupt the flow of the thread and I'm not sure if i want people i might know run into it.
Might post them up later, it's time for bed now!

[MickeyKnox]

if it were me, i would just go with the 600mg/week..

as long as you keep your estrogen under control.. sides should be minimal..

Agreed.

^
oh, so in terms of gains, it all depends on my diet.

meaning i can choose anyone of them and get the same results?

Diet determines your weight gains, not oils and pills. It starts in the kitchen bro. Dial in your diet and eat. AAS promotes repair in mucsle tissue faster, it doesn't magically put weight on you. If you don't eat properly, you're wasting your money and time.

Interesting, i frequent a lot of forums and there usually not like that.
Wanted to post up some pictures and collect some thoughts but i don't think i want to post it here.
Might disrupt the flow of the thread and I'm not sure if i want people i might know run into it.
Might post them up later, it's time for bed now!

This is to protect the Board and its membership. Please be patient and stick around. In the meantime, research, read and ask questions. It wont be long bro.

[human project]

Hey mickey would you recommend running 600mg of testosterone enanthate everyweek for 10weeks? Im asking this because im getting a 300mg/ml vial or would it be to much for a first timer?

If you want to drop your mg's down then just take a shot every 4,5 or even 6 days between shots... Enamthate and cyp are such long esters that you'll be fine taking shots more spread apart.... That being said my first cycle was 600mg of test with 30mg d Bol a day and I gained more then any cycle since.... Defiantly use a good ai and be careful with how much hcg you use.... More is not better with hcg... In my experience taking the least amount of hcg as possible works best. Hcg really messes with my estrogen

[Kingsmen]

This is to protect the Board and its membership. Please be patient and stick around. In the meantime, research, read and ask questions. It wont be long bro.

Thanks a lot for the response champ.
Will do, I'll get at you as soon as i hit the post count.

[jaswave125]

If you want to drop your mg's down then just take a shot every 4,5 or even 6 days between shots... Enamthate and cyp are such long esters that you'll be fine taking shots more spread apart.... That being said my first cycle was 600mg of test with 30mg d Bol a day and I gained more then any cycle since.... Defiantly use a good ai and be careful with how much hcg you use.... More is not better with hcg... In my experience taking the least amount of hcg as possible works best. Hcg really messes with my estrogen

So would it be ok to take 500mg of test E once a week?

How much hcg would you recommend per week? 500iu? Or thats to much or less?

Because I think im sensitive to estrogen. Bases on my nipples getting sensitive in cold weather or water.

[kronik420]

So would it be ok to take 500mg of test E once a week? no, split it up into 2 shots..

How much hcg would you recommend per week? 500iu? Or thats to much or less? 2x 250 IU's/week

Because I think im sensitive to estrogen. Bases on my nipples getting sensitive in cold weather or water. i don't think that means you are sensitive to estrogen lol...

see bold

an AI is also needed.. either Arimidex or Aromasin..

[human project]

So would it be ok to take 500mg of test E once a week?

How much hcg would you recommend per week? 500iu? Or thats to much or less?

Because I think im sensitive to estrogen. Bases on my nipples getting sensitive in cold weather or water.

It's better to split your doses up a little bit so your levels stay more consistent. That being said dr's prescribe one shot every two weeks with enamthate and cyp.... For bodybuilding purpose it's probably better to use ever 3-5 day.

[human project]

So would it be ok to take 500mg of test E once a week?

How much hcg would you recommend per week? 500iu? Or thats to much or less?

Because I think im sensitive to estrogen. Bases on my nipples getting sensitive in cold weather or water.

I use 250mcg ever 4-6 days with hcg depending on how my nipples look/feel.

[jack00]

Hi guys,

I am on a 16 weeks cycle. This is my 4th cycle ever. I am currently on my 8th week. My diet is on point but i have no knowledge about PCT products or anything. I am taking HCG, do i need to take anything else? Can someone please tell me if i need anything. I have a stack of Nolvadex since i have had symptoms of gyno before.
What do you guys think about the cycle and dosage.
I would really appreciate any advice.

Cycle Length: 16 weeks
Cycle Layout:
Weeks 1-16 750 mg GP Test Enathate250 per week
Weeks 1-16 600 mg GP Bold per week
Weeks 1-8 100 mg GP Tren Acetate100 every other day
Weeks 1-16 100mg GP Mast100 every other day
Weeks 8-16 40mg GP Turan every day
Weeks 6-10 500ius Pregnyl HCG every 3rd day

An extended lean bulking cycle for the advanced user. User will inject 1.5cc of Test E and 1.5cc of Bold twice per week for weeks 1-16. User will also inject 1cc of Mast every other day for weeks 1-16 along with 1cc of Tren acetate every other day for weeks 1-8. Starting in week 8 the user will take 4 tabs of Turan everyday 8 weeks and will began taking 500iu of HCG every 3rd day starting in week 6 for 4 weeks.

[MickeyKnox]

Hi guys,

I am on a 16 weeks cycle. This is my 4th cycle ever. I am currently on my 8th week. My diet is on point but i have no knowledge about PCT products or anything. I am taking HCG, do i need to take anything else? Can someone please tell me if i need anything. I have a stack of Nolvadex since i have had symptoms of gyno before.
What do you guys think about the cycle and dosage.
I would really appreciate any advice.

Cycle Length: 16 weeks
Cycle Layout:
Weeks 1-16 750 mg GP Test Enathate250 per week
Weeks 1-16 600 mg GP Bold per week
Weeks 1-8 100 mg GP Tren Acetate100 every other day
Weeks 1-16 100mg GP Mast100 every other day
Weeks 8-16 40mg GP Turan every day
Weeks 6-10 500ius Pregnyl HCG every 3rd day

An extended lean bulking cycle for the advanced user. User will inject 1.5cc of Test E and 1.5cc of Bold twice per week for weeks 1-16. User will also inject 1cc of Mast every other day for weeks 1-16 along with 1cc of Tren acetate every other day for weeks 1-8. Starting in week 8 the user will take 4 tabs of Turan everyday 8 weeks and will began taking 500iu of HCG every 3rd day starting in week 6 for 4 weeks.

Get rid of this laundry list - this is a cycle for someone who has been on AAS for a long time - not you! I can assure you, you have NOT outgrown your last two cycles! Its important to grow into your dose.

What are your stats?

[AliYousaf]

Hey Mickey! One serious question.. Can T3 and Clen or either of them be use with AAS first a cycle like Test-E and DBol.
I am all set to start my cycle Just waiting for BA water to arrive.
I cannot afford to have any kind of bloated and balloon like face and body anytime of the year. It's about the job. So I thought may be I could use T3 and Clen which I have already on hand. I can also get winstrol Depot but not Var or Winny.. So what do you say how to do this cycle ?

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[MickeyKnox]

Hey Mickey! One serious question.. Can T3 and Clen or either of them be use with AAS first a cycle like Test-E and DBol.
I am all set to start my cycle Just waiting for BA water to arrive.
I cannot afford to have any kind of bloated and balloon like face and body anytime of the year. It's about the job. So I thought may be I could use T3 and Clen which I have already on hand. I can also get winstrol Depot but not Var or Winny.. So what do you say how to do this cycle ?

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I would not recommend Clen, T3, or Albuterol on your first cycle. Keep it as simple as possible.

Your diet will reflect your water retention and bloat. This is controlled in the kitchen, not with a pill or Thermo. Later on you can add a thermogenic if you like but not this time Ali.

Do not include Winstrol either. And FTR, Winstrol Depot and "Winny" are the same thing. Winny is just a nickname like Var is to Anavar and Adex is to Arimidex.

[Drops]

ok to run Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 with no Clomid for PCT? I know everyone advises to use Clomid with Nolvadex but I can't get hold of Clomid from my dealer and i'd prefer not having to order online. Cheers

[MickeyKnox]

ok to run Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 with no Clomid for PCT? I know everyone advises to use Clomid with Nolvadex but I can't get hold of Clomid from my dealer and i'd prefer not having to order online. Cheers

I would wait until you have Clomid. Clomid/Nolva for a proper recovery, imho.

Remember the Golden Rule; Don't ever begin a cycle until you have everything on hand. No exceptions.

[Drops]

Thats what I thought, thanks Mickey.

Too bad, because I have everything except for Clomid! Guess I'll have to resort to ordering online.

[MickeyKnox]

Thats what I thought, thanks Mickey.

Too bad, because I have everything except for Clomid! Guess I'll have to resort to ordering online.

Just make the order count..stock up.