All you need to know about GYNO.

[(d_b)]

Hello all,

I got gyno in middle of my cycle because of HCG (500iux2 per week), letro get ride of that. There was a lump that completely disappeared, yeah it was gone.
shrunked!

When i was near the end of my cycle, last 4 weeks i took hcg again 500iu e5d 2x per week. I was lowering the letrozole by 0.5mg ~e5d along that there was test prop 50mg eod and anavar 50mg ed. After 3weeks lowering the dosage i got a rebound at 1mg of letrozole.

How did i decrease the dosage?
2.5mg letro ed many months
2mg letro for 12days
1.5mg letro 3days
1mg letro 9days
The next day i took 2.5mg

The problem is that i got the gyno when i was tapering off gears(letro too) to begin the pct with nolva/clomid/IGF1 Lr3.
The fact is i m not sure what caused the gyno.
Is it the letro rebound? Is it the HCG? Is it the ratio estrogens/testosterone that messed with me when i stopped to use testosterone?
I got gyno in middle of my cycle because of HCG (500iux2 per week), letro get ride of that. There was a lump that completely disappeared, yeah it was gone.
shrunked! It s back now that i begin my PCT.
I am actually doing a PCT not very healty so i want advice from all and C_Bino, impatiently.

I kept the letro in PCT cuz i want to shrunk the gyno again.
letro 2.5ed at night before bed. Nolva the morning, clomid throughout the day.
PCT
day1 300mg clomid - day1 Nolva 80mg - day1-28 IGF1-LR3 40/50mcg

day2 250mg clomid - day2-7 Nolva 40mg -

day3-12 200/150mg clomid - day8-35 Nolva 20mg

day13-23 100/50mg clomid


Plz, i need to be enligthen about my situation. Thank you.
BTW i did my research, i found a study saying that letro can become ineffective after a long time of use.

[C_Bino]

Hello all,

I got gyno in middle of my cycle because of HCG (500iux2 per week), letro get ride of that. There was a lump that completely disappeared, yeah it was gone.
shrunked!

When i was near the end of my cycle, last 4 weeks i took hcg again 500iu e5d 2x per week. I was lowering the letrozole by 0.5mg ~e5d along that there was test prop 50mg eod and anavar 50mg ed. After 3weeks lowering the dosage i got a rebound at 1mg of letrozole.

How did i decrease the dosage?
2.5mg letro ed many months
2mg letro for 12days
1.5mg letro 3days
1mg letro 9days
The next day i took 2.5mg

The problem is that i got the gyno when i was tapering off gears(letro too) to begin the pct with nolva/clomid/IGF1 Lr3.
The fact is i m not sure what caused the gyno.
Is it the letro rebound? Is it the HCG? Is it the ratio estrogens/testosterone that messed with me when i stopped to use testosterone?
I got gyno in middle of my cycle because of HCG (500iux2 per week), letro get ride of that. There was a lump that completely disappeared, yeah it was gone.
shrunked! It s back now that i begin my PCT.
I am actually doing a PCT not very healty so i want advice from all and C_Bino, impatiently.

I kept the letro in PCT cuz i want to shrunk the gyno again.
letro 2.5ed at night before bed. Nolva the morning, clomid throughout the day.
PCT
day1 300mg clomid - day1 Nolva 80mg - day1-28 IGF1-LR3 40/50mcg

day2 250mg clomid - day2-7 Nolva 40mg -

day3-12 200/150mg clomid - day8-35 Nolva 20mg

day13-23 100/50mg clomid


Plz, i need to be enligthen about my situation. Thank you.
BTW i did my research, i found a study saying that letro can become ineffective after a long time of use.

Well firstly I would never suggest just taking letro e5d. It should be taken ed in my experience and that is what may have caused the gyno again. Also HCG has been known to possibly cause gyno. But like i have outlined in the original post you SHOULD use nolva after you finish tapering you letro. Did you do that?

[jokerswild]

I did have gyno surgery almost a year ago and maybe you (C_Bino or any informed cat) can help me for a moment with a personal recurring concern of mine that I'm having with symptoms again. I've followed all the posted protocol as in using Letro, Vit.B-6, Bromo, and Dostinex on a daily basis but it seams that the Tren in my cycle is making it impossible to overcome the "coning" out growth and extra tissue development of the areola area, once again.

I'll dump the Tren for now and go with straight Test for now and see if this helps because of what seems to be an insurmountable proness to progesterone sides. I realize more than 200gm of B-6 can be toxic, so increasing that is not an option.

If I brought the Letro up to a full 2.5, the hope is to neurtalize the problem all together. Does this sound appropriate?

I'll also share that I'm on 60mg 2 x daily of oxycontin and tabs of percocet as needed daily for extreme pain from recently (last Easter) shatering my tibial plateu into 30 pieces.

Should I just count my blessings that it's not worse due to the heavy loads of Narcs?

[stianpro]

Is letro allowed in scandinavia, because i live in norway. dont want any problems with the police.

[styxecl]

bumpedy bump

[artifitialmuscle]

Im currently not in the US and cant get nolva or clomid. My cycle is going 2 be test+deca and run for 8 wks. What non prepscription supp can I use during cycle for aromatizing and after for pct. I was thinking maybe T bomb 2.

[C_Bino]

Im currently not in the US and cant get nolva or clomid. My cycle is going 2 be test+deca and run for 8 wks. What non prepscription supp can I use during cycle for aromatizing and after for pct. I was thinking maybe T bomb 2.

I replied to your PM bro. You gotta go with a good AI or SERM. Can you order from the site Sponsor?

[C_Bino]

Ya man nolva would be a good idea after the letro. I dont think you need it as high as 80mg tho. Just run it at 20mg ed for a couple weeks, even taper down in the second week to 10mg if you like.
And thats the problem with docs, they really dont seem to know alot about these things in my experience. But my doc is cool shes lets me teach her and bring her articles so she can learn. And if she has other patients on AAS she wants to contact me for advice. LOL.

[styxecl]

lol sounds a bit like mine...offered to take her in papers but she just laughed and said nah you're the only person i've ever had to deal with this sort of stuff. she sound about gear tho, said she thought everyone in gyms was on them lol so wasnt bothered.

thanks dude i'll try it at 20mg then and taper down like you said.

thanks for all your help mate i have really appreciated it! i'll report back if i happen to notice any interesting developments so as to add a bit more info to the thread...not that its not already a massive help to anyone with gyno probs!

cheers man

[Damnitmannn727]

Awesome post!

[Damnitmannn727]

C_Bino, do you think this method you laid out might work for gyno I might of had from a year ago or not? I have gyno but a lot of it is FATTY TISSUE and very small lumps. I got it from doing a Sus+Deca cycle WITHOUT pct. Thanks

[C_Bino]

C_Bino, do you think this method you laid out might work for gyno I might of had from a year ago or not? I have gyno but a lot of it is FATTY TISSUE and very small lumps. I got it from doing a Sus+Deca cycle WITHOUT pct. Thanks

Yes this question has been asked probably 10times in this thread already. Not that I dont mind answering questions at all, I love to help when I can. But simply reading would have answered this for you. Even a few posts above yours someone asked this.
Anyways yes its possible but it appears the longer people wait the more stubborn the gyno becomes. Only way to find out is to try it.

[realjo1000]

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[BGIZZLE8629]

Alright, Bino...
Here is the deal, I believe that I have had gyno for years now (from puberty) I'm not really 100% if it is gyno but I am pretty sure. It seems to be more of fatty tissue but my nips are puffy and I have something under my nipples but they ARENT hard lumps. So i dont know if what's under my nipples is just fat too or what.

Anyways, I had taken some gear (my first ever cycle) of tren and winny that I got from a bodybuilder at my gym. I know that it was very underdosed if not completely fake altogether. Anyways I took about 150-200mg/wk of each and didn't notice any gains. ( I thought it was just going to take a while to kick in...pretty stupid). After I finished (didn't even completely finish last bottles b/c thought they were fake), like a week afterward I started getting really bad acne on my back and shoulders. What the hell is that about??? I stillthink it still shut down my natural testosterone production somehow and may have worsened my possible pre-existing gyno. I did not do any PCT because I didn't see any gains and didn't get any side affects until a couple of weeks afterwards And thought it was fake

Should I have done PCT anyway?? Probably right?

It has probably been like almost 2 months since I stopped taking them. And I am thinking of doing another cycle. (from legit source this time)

Test Cypionate: 400mg/wk for 10wks
Proviron: 25mg/wk for 10wks
Nolvadex:10mg/day for 10wks
HCG:500iu/5th day for wks 3-4 and again in wks 9-10
(nolvadex:10mg/day after last test inj. up until PCT begins)

PCT-
Nolvadex:10mg/day for about 25 more days (40-45 days total after last inj.)
Clomid:300mg/day 1, 100mg/days 2-11, 50mg/days 12-25

Cycle and PCT look good?
I need to know if using Proviron and Nolvadex throughout my cycle will keep gyno from occuring. I also would like to know if I should up my nolvadex dosage in the wks where I am taking HCG to prevent estrogen/gyno???

Do you think I should try taking letro to reverse the possible gyno that I have had since teen years before I start my cycle?? I already have TEST, Pro, and Nolva purchased. Should I get letro as well??? I just need some feedback on this situation bc I am concerned of possible preexisting gyno and worsening/developing gyno during my cycle. I called a plastic surgeon about surgery for gyno and they said between $3500-5000. I don't have that kind of money to throw away.

My b/f is probably around 16-19%. I know that I need to lose fat but I am having trouble doing so in my chest. Should I maybe add CLEN to my next cycle?? I have done a TON of research on everything but am still confused/concerned..

I really appreciate you taking the time to read all of my bull**** and any advice on all aspects of my predicament would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Bino. Sorry it's so long.

[BGIZZLE8629]

anything???

[C_Bino]

Well definitely ditch the nolva on cycle and get arimidex or letrozole FOR SURE. Also extend your PCT longer than 25 days, never ever limit your PCT but run it for at a minimum 5 weeks imo.

As far as during the cycle like i said ditch the nolva and use an AI like a-dex or letro, run either at .5mg daily and increase it if you feel the need if gyno flares up or something.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Well definitely ditch the nolva on cycle and get arimidex or letrozole FOR SURE. Also extend your PCT longer than 25 days, never ever limit your PCT but run it for at a minimum 5 weeks imo.

As far as during the cycle like i said ditch the nolva and use an AI like a-dex or letro, run either at .5mg daily and increase it if you feel the need if gyno flares up or something.

so your'e saying that i need to run my nolva and clomid for about 5wks? what kind of dosaging would you suggest for that??? (nolva:10mg? clomid?????)

Does everything else in the cycle look good??(HCG dosages ect..) Do you know anything about proviron?? WOuld you say that the letro from ARR is just as good as the real Femara??? Thanks

[SP129]

so if ive had a tiny lump for about 2 or 3 months will letro reverse this?

[quartertonroche]

Bino this is a great thing your doin bro. I've learned a ton....thanks.

I have a question. I'm heavily gyno prone, 28 yrs old, mid bodyfat (been steadily decreasing for months), lifting for maybe 12 years, had prog gyno since teen years. I have done four light cycles, and packed myself full of anti e's, not seen any worsening of gyno from cycles.

Last week I took my first shot of my fifth cycle, 600 mg/wk test e. I have two bottles of letro, clen, t3, and enough nolva pills to stone a horse for ptc.

I am on day 7 on letro now (2.5), and I have a sharp pinch in my right nipple, the larger of the two. Every time my shirt drags over it, I itch it, think about it...pinches.

On day 7 of shot 1, theres no reason I should be feeling the test-e, imo. Could the letro be causing this effect? It doesnt look any bigger or smaller....and since I'm sure that this could not be an advancement of gyno due to letro use......I guess I'm just being curious.

Thanks Dude!

[MrPerson]

Hiya

I've been developing a mild form of gyno during the last month or two.
I did go through PCT and did everything right. But still... :'(

Can I reverse it since it's fairly fresh?
I heard Nolvadex or Letra might do the trick?

I have sensitive nipples and they're kinda puffy when they're not hard.

If you guys know a good solution without having to go through surgery, please let me know!!

Tnx
F.

[joesjs]

this may be the dumbest question ever asked but I just got my letro and i am unsure how to actually take it. It is liquid form but there are no real instructions... Do i just dab it in my mouth or do i put it in water and drink it? Please let me know

[BGIZZLE8629]

its a spray. does anybody know where to get a oral syringe???

[SwollSooner315]

I'm 22 years old and have never used aas but i have used 1-ad and m-1t. last time i took anything like that was over 1 year ago. about 5 months ago i started to develop gyno out of no where. i got a mammogram and ultrasound and all they would tell me was that i had a buildup of tissue. well it hasnt stopped and it seems to be getting worse. im going to try the letro and nolva route before i pay $1,000 for surgery. i smoke bud on a reg. basis (which i am stopping completely) so maybe that could be a cause of it? anyone have any imput or advice?

also will the letro make me weaker in the gym? will something like tribilus help my sex drive?

[arentz00]

my gyno wasn't very bad but it really bothered me it is actually only on my right side which is kind of weird...i got it because a ****ed around with a cycle of superdrol, dumb move don't do it...i dunno what ARR is, i went through some shady ass moldolva thing and it came in pill form not liquid which i prefer. also another question, i'm 20 years old and yeah i know steroids at this age ****s with your hormones levels etc, am i ****ing them up even worse by messing around with this letro?

[dude99]

hey great info thanks man. i am pretty sure this wasn't discussed yet. well in my situation like others, i did a cycle right orignally and did PCT correct except for like last 4 days because my bottle broke. a few months later i did m1t cycle and did not do PCT because of thought I was gonna get it before done but didn't and I was stupid and didn't bother get it after while.

now i understand how to take the letro and nova from this thread and the tribulius at around 2-3g.

what i was wondering is that without that PCT i also experienced testicles not returning to normal size. now i have been told to get HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadatropin) to restore the size. Now do I need to use this if I am already using Tribulus? Will the test boosting Tribulus help restore the size or do I def need HCG?

also, if i do need HCG is it on the research site under different name? because i am not seeing it. or do i have to find that myself?


thanks for all your help and time man

[C_Bino]

hey great info thanks man. i am pretty sure this wasn't discussed yet. well in my situation like others, i did a cycle right orignally and did PCT correct except for like last 4 days because my bottle broke. a few months later i did m1t cycle and did not do PCT because of thought I was gonna get it before done but didn't and I was stupid and didn't bother get it after while.

now i understand how to take the letro and nova from this thread and the tribulius at around 2-3g.

what i was wondering is that without that PCT i also experienced testicles not returning to normal size. now i have been told to get HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadatropin) to restore the size. Now do I need to use this if I am already using Tribulus? Will the test boosting Tribulus help restore the size or do I def need HCG?

also, if i do need HCG is it on the research site under different name? because i am not seeing it. or do i have to find that myself?


thanks for all your help and time man

Yes you probably need HCG, tribulus and other test boosters imo arent that great and I have never used them and never really would. Anyways use the HCG while you are usign the letro or else it could cause some gyno even possibly and keep the letro/nolva running past the HCG. And you wont find it EVER on a research site.

[MrPerson]

Hi

I've had some gyno occuring over the last 2 months, and now I'm taking Femara (letro) for almost a month, but I don't see anything happen. :-/

How long does it take for it to go away? I mean, it was pretty fresh after all, so... I hope I don't have to take letro for the rest of my life... hmm.

I have a box of Nolva ready too for when my month of letro is over.

Any advice? Time estimates?

Tnx

[dude99]

anyone? please i want to get going on this.....thanks

[MrPerson]

I got my Letrozole (Femara) today, aswell as tamoxifen for afterwards.
Man that shit it expensive...

I hope it works... anyone got any idea how fast the recently "acquired" gyno will go away at 2.5 mg letro per day?

ps: anyone know of any sides that WILL occur? If I read the thingy inside, I might aswell not take it :-) trombosis, kidney failure, etc... pff

If you know, let me know too!

[Nordicphsyco]

I think I have the onset of GYNO! I am going into third week of my cycle, I have always had decent pecs,im 46 with some bf which makes them look even bigger. my nipples I guess were average unless they were cold or something they would get firm but then go back to normal, Now for a week they have been constantly firm and "pointy" and a little tender but not real sore and some puffiness forming but no lumps behind them. I ordered some letro yesterday, but i'm not sure if its gyno but would it do any harm to take it just for precaution?

[dude99]

anyone know answer my question? thanks

[gotjuice28]

good info

[Sasheen]

C Bino thans foir that valuable info.Ive read through as many post and answers that i could read though

i am a gyno sufferer.been under the knife a couple years ago but went on a stack after that while using Nolva and picked up a bit of gyno.well the gyno i have now is not as bad i what i had removed.

will letro help a bit with the reversal of the little gyno i picked up?
i am currently stacking again using 20mg nolva a day and will go off nolva once i start letro.i am following ur No 1 prescription for the use of letro for gyno reversal.do i start with .25 or keep at 2.5 mg a day .whats the maxium tym i need to be on this for gyno reversal??

how do i get a small tablet like letro to .25mg??

The only problem i got after surgory for the guys that are under going the knife is scared tissue.that feels bigger than gyno

Please advise C Bino

[Groundm]

It’s working! About two months ago I developed some gyno under my left nipple that was a little bigger then the size of a flattened pea. I was using nolva for the first three weeks as directed by my HRT doc assistant (salesman) and stumbled on to this thread. Ordered some Letro from Lion but that didn’t work out to well. First two days I took it I had some stomach problems and by the forth day I felt weak and my kidneys started to hurt. I stopped using it and ordered the pill form. I started out at 2.5 because I didn’t want to hassle with cutting it up. I felt no side effects except the loss of my sex drive, which has been a good thing because I had a vasectomy two weeks ago. Anyway, a few days ago I started to feel less sensitive and I could feel that it was getting smaller. I am having a problem finding it today, and I have very little pain. I’m about 16 days in so hopefully by the time I finish the 30 pills it will be gone. I am feeling pretty good about the results so just wanted to thank Bino for the info.

[Billytk03z]

It’s working! About two months ago I developed some gyno under my left nipple that was a little bigger then the size of a flattened pea. I was using nolva for the first three weeks as directed by my HRT doc assistant (salesman) and stumbled on to this thread. Ordered some Letro from Lion but that didn’t work out to well. First two days I took it I had some stomach problems and by the forth day I felt weak and my kidneys started to hurt. I stopped using it and ordered the pill form. I started out at 2.5 because I didn’t want to hassle with cutting it up. I felt no side effects except the loss of my sex drive, which has been a good thing because I had a vasectomy two weeks ago. Anyway, a few days ago I started to feel less sensitive and I could feel that it was getting smaller. I am having a problem finding it today, and I have very little pain. I’m about 16 days in so hopefully by the time I finish the 30 pills it will be gone. I am feeling pretty good about the results so just wanted to thank Bino for the info.

I did the same thing,,,,,, I switched from lions letro to the pill form about a week ago.... I hope it helps....... cuz I been on lions letro for about 4 weeks and it has done nothing.....

[Billytk03z]

Bino, inregards to your anit-gyno protocal...... if it takes awhile for letro to build up in the body then wouldnt it be advisable to run an AI like Adex for a few days with the letro until the letro takes effect......

I am currently running a cycle of oral turanibol, only a week in.. I am using Adex 1/2mg every 3 days.... I have very very mild gyno starting in my left pec/nipple.. it may have been a previous condition from a natural bulking cycle early in the summer that has just recently worsened since starting my first cycle of AAS w/ propecia (hair protection) should I increase my adex dosage or get right on letro? thanx billy

[hawthorne1010]

Oh Master of the Mammaries... a question if I may.

Seriously, I do have a relevant question.

If someone had gyno from puberty, as was mentioned earlier in the thread, and it went away, would that person be more prone to gyno while on gear?

I seem to remember as a young lad having a lump on one or both sides of my chest. Wasn't swollen or even noticeable visually but I, or anyone else for that matter, could feel the bumps. I believe my mother even took me to a doctor, but nothing was done and as was mentioned earlier, they went away. I'm sure the doctor probably explained that to my mom.

Forward 20 years, ok, give a couple (or a few), more years later, I'm concerned that might make me more susceptible. From your advice, I'm planning on running letro throughout the cycle regardless.

As always, I appreciate anyone taking the time to read or reply.

[Tajj01]

Any sugestions oh which brand of letro
Thanks

[*Alex*]

go to arr they got some good stuff

[frankiePR]

New to this site...great info thanks!!