Pro's juice dose

[gpapa1]

What are the doses of professional bodybuilders? from what have you heard or what you realy know?

You don't have to mention names , just to see what is the space in juicing beteween the amateur use and professional use.

thanks

[YounG_SluG11]

They use a lot. I know most of them are on year round, but no one is gonna be able to say how much/what they take.

[KGBnine]

but no one is gonna be able to say how much/what they take.

Yeah. I sometimes hear people on here say that arnold took X amount of this, and ronnie takes X amount of that. But IMO, it's all just speculation. I do beleive, that some of the pros dont take as much as we think they do. I think that the ones who are really gifted genetically don't have to use a whole lot. But those that don't have great genetics make up for it with high doses.

[BDTR]

About as much as me i'd guess, only quadruple their GH/slin/pgf2/igf-1 dosages.

[KGBnine]

And I had a buddy who talked to lee priest who is pretty open and honest about it. He said he doesn't take too much. Just mainly Test, Eq, and winny. I know some won't believe that, but I think it's possible. The dude has some great genetics. Well I'll see him tomorrow @ the ironman, maybe I'll just ask him what he takes!

[gpapa1]

Ok but give us some quantities in doses if you hear or you know?

[YounG_SluG11]

Ok but give us some quantities in doses if you hear or you know?

Bro like I said, you're not gonna get a legit answer to this. All we can really do is guess, and go by what we hear(which isn't always true).

Why does it matter anyway? It's not like you can take the same exact drugs Arnold did and be able to look like him. The steroids aren't what 'makes' a physique. Diet, Training, and Genetics play the biggest roles. Juice is just the icing on the cake.

[Beefkake31]

The steroids aren't what 'makes' a physique. Diet, Training, and Genetics play the biggest roles. Juice is just the icing on the cake.

Couldn't agree more.

[bor]

Bro like I said, you're not gonna get a legit answer to this. All we can really do is guess, and go by what we hear(which isn't always true).

Why does it matter anyway? It's not like you can take the same exact drugs Arnold did and be able to look like him. The steroids aren't what 'makes' a physique. Diet, Training, and Genetics play the biggest roles. Juice is just the icing on the cake.

Oh I don't know about that, sure diet and getics play a huge and main role, but they're not gonna get you to 300 pounds!

[LORDBLiTZ]

Oh I don't know about that, sure diet and getics play a huge and main role, but they're not gonna get you to 300 pounds!

Agreed

[Beefkake31]

Oh I don't know about that, sure diet and getics play a huge and main role, but they're not gonna get you to 300 pounds!

It works both ways I guess, without genetics IMO I don't think you can achieve Olympia status. And then I would place nutrition as more important than working out, but you need both of course and without one or the other you have nothing, just my order of importance.

[icewind]

And I had a buddy who talked to lee priest who is pretty open and honest about it. He said he doesn't take too much. Just mainly Test, Eq, and winny. I know some won't believe that, but I think it's possible. The dude has some great genetics. Well I'll see him tomorrow @ the ironman, maybe I'll just ask him what he takes!

I heard the same thing from one of my buddies that is a good friend of Lee Priest. He said he doesn't use as much as he used to when he was younger.

[c5529]

I heard the same thing from one of my buddies that is a good friend of Lee Priest. He said he doesn't use as much as he used to when he was younger.

Yeah, that makes sense...it's the same for me....My cycle now pretty much maintains what some of my previous cycle built.....

[Dude-Man]

lee is also a fan of deca, primo, and hgh.

[c5529]

I don't mind sharing what I'm taking (I just turned PRO -- and NO, I won't give my name!!!), but it varies quite a bit throughout the year....and yes, I'm on AAS pretty much all year round...Right now:

Test E 1200mg EW (I've gone as high as 2000 per week, but can't do that due to the sides)
Deca 600 mgs EW
Tren A 75 to 125 mgs ED
I mix in Anavar and Winny at 50-75 mgs ED at various points
I mix in Test Prop at 100 mgs ED at various points
Proviron 50 to 100 mgs ED
Nolvadex 20 mgs ED
Letro 1.25 mgs ED
Clen/T3 -- doses vary tremendously
GH - 4 IUs ED
Slin -- 10 IUs PWO
IGF 60 mcgs PWO

I do agree that genes, clean diet, and training are the key, but the cycles take you the "extreme" level...

NO ONE should be taking this much gear unless they are at the national level....you just don't need it.....

[KGBnine]

I don't mind sharing what I'm taking (I just turned PRO -- and NO, I won't give my name!!!), but it varies quite a bit throughout the year....and yes, I'm on AAS pretty much all year round...Right now:

Test E 1200mg EW (I've gone as high as 2000 per week, but can't do that due to the sides)
Deca 600 mgs EW
Tren A 75 to 125 mgs ED
I mix in Anavar and Winny at 50-75 mgs ED at various points
I mix in Test Prop at 100 mgs ED at various points
Proviron 50 to 100 mgs ED
Nolvadex 20 mgs ED
Letro 1.25 mgs ED
Clen/T3 -- doses vary tremendously
GH - 4 IUs ED
Slin -- 10 IUs PWO
IGF 60 mcgs PWO

I do agree that genes, clean diet, and training are the key, but the cycles take you the "extreme" level...

NO ONE should be taking this much gear unless they are at the national level....you just don't need it.....

WHat's your name? LoL j/k. Thanks for sharing bro.

[JohnnyB]

I don't mind sharing what I'm taking (I just turned PRO -- and NO, I won't give my name!!!), but it varies quite a bit throughout the year....and yes, I'm on AAS pretty much all year round...Right now:

Test E 1200mg EW (I've gone as high as 2000 per week, but can't do that due to the sides)
Deca 600 mgs EW
Tren A 75 to 125 mgs ED
I mix in Anavar and Winny at 50-75 mgs ED at various points
I mix in Test Prop at 100 mgs ED at various points
Proviron 50 to 100 mgs ED
Nolvadex 20 mgs ED
Letro 1.25 mgs ED
Clen/T3 -- doses vary tremendously
GH - 4 IUs ED
Slin -- 10 IUs PWO
IGF 60 mcgs PWO

I do agree that genes, clean diet, and training are the key, but the cycles take you the "extreme" level...

NO ONE should be taking this much gear unless they are at the national level....you just don't need it.....

This seems more realistic then some of the stuff I've seen, like Vector (hope I spelled that right) doing 10 grams a week of gear, back when deca was only dosed at 50-100mg/ml, para 76mg at 1.5ml and test at 100mg maybe 200mg at the highest, please.

Now if you're starting there as a pro, you'll be going up or adding something that's possibly not known to us pee-ons

JohnnyB

[c5529]

This seems more realistic then some of the stuff I've seen, like Vector (hope I spelled that right) doing 10 grams a week of gear, back when deca was only dosed at 50-100mg/ml, para 76mg at 1.5ml and test at 100mg maybe 200mg at the highest, please.

Now if you're starting there as a pro, you'll be going up or adding something that's possibly not known to us pee-ons

JohnnyB

Speaking as a fellow pee-on, I'm excited to see what these items are...I promise I'll pass them on to everyone here when/if I find out!!!!

[bor]

I don't mind sharing what I'm taking (I just turned PRO -- and NO, I won't give my name!!!), but it varies quite a bit throughout the year....and yes, I'm on AAS pretty much all year round...Right now:

Test E 1200mg EW (I've gone as high as 2000 per week, but can't do that due to the sides)
Deca 600 mgs EW
Tren A 75 to 125 mgs ED
I mix in Anavar and Winny at 50-75 mgs ED at various points
I mix in Test Prop at 100 mgs ED at various points
Proviron 50 to 100 mgs ED
Nolvadex 20 mgs ED
Letro 1.25 mgs ED
Clen/T3 -- doses vary tremendously
GH - 4 IUs ED
Slin -- 10 IUs PWO
IGF 60 mcgs PWO

I do agree that genes, clean diet, and training are the key, but the cycles take you the "extreme" level...

NO ONE should be taking this much gear unless they are at the national level....you just don't need it.....

This is a LOT, but not as much as I thought it would be...

[c5529]

This is a LOT, but not as much as I thought it would be...

Yeah Bor, I know what you mean....some other guys are probably taking more, but this has done it for me.... Also, like I said I've done up 2 grams of test e EW, but the sides really kicked in (mainly blood pressure and severe headaches) so it's pretty rare that I go over 1.5 grams of Test E at any point now.....For me I'm 5'6" about 230 about 7% BF, so the amounts I listed above seem to work well for me...I'm know the taller heavier guys are taking more, but since they're bigger they can probably handle it better.....I guess it's all relative....

Also, as a side note, yes, I am on contract now, but I feel obliged to answer questions about steroids/etc. as honestly as I can.....Obviously I can't do it publicly which is one of the reasons I like to participate on this site since I feel like I can at least try to help others with my 2 cents (although, I've learned more from this site than I've contributed!!!)....And of course, the contractual issue is one of the biggest reasons I won't give my name or post pictures too!!!

I hope this has been helpful to everyone....

[ottomaddox]

That's certainly quite a load of gear. Just for information purposes only. How much money does it take you to be a professional bodybuilder? Let's say gear and food, about how much do you have to budget for those?
No big deal if too personal.
peace,
otto

I don't mind sharing what I'm taking (I just turned PRO -- and NO, I won't give my name!!!), but it varies quite a bit throughout the year....and yes, I'm on AAS pretty much all year round...Right now:

Test E 1200mg EW (I've gone as high as 2000 per week, but can't do that due to the sides)
Deca 600 mgs EW
Tren A 75 to 125 mgs ED
I mix in Anavar and Winny at 50-75 mgs ED at various points
I mix in Test Prop at 100 mgs ED at various points
Proviron 50 to 100 mgs ED
Nolvadex 20 mgs ED
Letro 1.25 mgs ED
Clen/T3 -- doses vary tremendously
GH - 4 IUs ED
Slin -- 10 IUs PWO
IGF 60 mcgs PWO

I do agree that genes, clean diet, and training are the key, but the cycles take you the "extreme" level...

NO ONE should be taking this much gear unless they are at the national level....you just don't need it.....

[c5529]

That's certainly quite a load of gear. Just for information purposes only. How much money does it take you to be a professional bodybuilder? Let's say gear and food, about how much do you have to budget for those?
No big deal if too personal.
peace,
otto

No, nothing is too personal on this website!! Honestly, I really don't know how much I spend....food is probably about 200 per week, protein powders are now given to me by sponsors (that helped a bunch as I drink 3 to 4 shakes per day), and wow, the AAS/GH/IGF/Slin/anti e's -- I'm guessing about 30 grand per year, but that's just a broad guess....for me, the GH is really the highest cost item.....

[joevette]

I don't mind sharing what I'm taking (I just turned PRO -- and NO, I won't give my name!!!), but it varies quite a bit throughout the year....and yes, I'm on AAS pretty much all year round...Right now:

Test E 1200mg EW (I've gone as high as 2000 per week, but can't do that due to the sides)
Deca 600 mgs EW
Tren A 75 to 125 mgs ED
I mix in Anavar and Winny at 50-75 mgs ED at various points
I mix in Test Prop at 100 mgs ED at various points
Proviron 50 to 100 mgs ED
Nolvadex 20 mgs ED
Letro 1.25 mgs ED
Clen/T3 -- doses vary tremendously
GH - 4 IUs ED
Slin -- 10 IUs PWO
IGF 60 mcgs PWO

I do agree that genes, clean diet, and training are the key, but the cycles take you the "extreme" level...

NO ONE should be taking this much gear unless they are at the national level....you just don't need it.....

That's not much GH, if you wanna be pro you've got to up it to 20ius ed and grow a big growth gut, J/K. I'm actually glad to see a pro keeping the HGH to a minimum. What's the highest you think you'll go?

[c5529]

That's not much GH, if you wanna be pro you've got to up it to 20ius ed and grow a big growth gut, J/K. I'm actually glad to see a pro keeping the HGH to a minimum. What's the highest you think you'll go?

It looks like there are basically two looks now -- there's the big gut look like Ronnie, Gustavo, etc., and there's the more pleasing look (at least in my opinion) of the Troy Alves, etc....I simply don't want to end up with the big gut look so I'll never up my GH to ridiculous doses -- I intend to remain at the 4 o 8 IU per day mark.....To win the top pro shows you really have to have the "big gut" look which IMO is unfortunate.....To be honest, I really don't know how people at 20 IUs per day afford it -- pro bb's don't exactly make the big bucks unless you're Ronnie or Jay!!!

[bowie]

I don't mind sharing what I'm taking (I just turned PRO -- and NO, I won't give my name!!!), but it varies quite a bit throughout the year....and yes, I'm on AAS pretty much all year round...Right now:

Test E 1200mg EW (I've gone as high as 2000 per week, but can't do that due to the sides)
Deca 600 mgs EW
Tren A 75 to 125 mgs ED
I mix in Anavar and Winny at 50-75 mgs ED at various points
I mix in Test Prop at 100 mgs ED at various points
Proviron 50 to 100 mgs ED
Nolvadex 20 mgs ED
Letro 1.25 mgs ED
Clen/T3 -- doses vary tremendously
GH - 4 IUs ED
Slin -- 10 IUs PWO
IGF 60 mcgs PWO

I do agree that genes, clean diet, and training are the key, but the cycles take you the "extreme" level...

NO ONE should be taking this much gear unless they are at the national level....you just don't need it.....

Hey bro, I got a question I could use answered. I'm not a pro yet, but I've been on a stage or two. I also am "on" year round, and am wondering what you do to keep your liver values in non damaging range. I cycle about 5 months, do about 6 weeks pct, then use primo for a bridge for a month or two, so I can get off the tamoxifen and try to lower my liver values. Any pro secrets on this, and should I forget the primo and bridge with a low dose of test?

[c5529]

Hey bro, I got a question I could use answered. I'm not a pro yet, but I've been on a stage or two. I also am "on" year round, and am wondering what you do to keep your liver values in non damaging range. I cycle about 5 months, do about 6 weeks pct, then use primo for a bridge for a month or two, so I can get off the tamoxifen and try to lower my liver values. Any pro secrets on this, and should I forget the primo and bridge with a low dose of test?

Hey Bro, I just want to be very upfront that I'm definitely not an expert on bridging....I've seen some great posts on this site with bridging examples....I really do try my best to get off of everything with a PCT at least once a year...the only difference for me is that I have to go right back on my cycle after the PCT is done...I do the typical PCT with HCG (500 IUs twice per week), Clomid (300/100), and nolva (20 mgs ED). I do a blood test and see how everything looks and then start back again if my values are ok.....

Regarding my liver values -- the only time they go up is when I'm using Winny -- it really affects my liver pretty hard...so I only stay on Winny for 6 weeks max and then get off of it for at least 10 weeks....Interestingly enough, none of the other orals (at least the ones I use) affect my liver values....only winny does....

Sorry Bro, this does not really answer your question, but perhaps there are some others more knowledgable on bridging than I am .....

[mma_badboy]

I don't mind sharing what I'm taking (I just turned PRO -- and NO, I won't give my name!!!), but it varies quite a bit throughout the year....and yes, I'm on AAS pretty much all year round...Right now:

Test E 1200mg EW (I've gone as high as 2000 per week, but can't do that due to the sides)
Deca 600 mgs EW
Tren A 75 to 125 mgs ED
I mix in Anavar and Winny at 50-75 mgs ED at various points
I mix in Test Prop at 100 mgs ED at various points
Proviron 50 to 100 mgs ED
Nolvadex 20 mgs ED
Letro 1.25 mgs ED
Clen/T3 -- doses vary tremendously
GH - 4 IUs ED
Slin -- 10 IUs PWO
IGF 60 mcgs PWO

I do agree that genes, clean diet, and training are the key, but the cycles take you the "extreme" level...

NO ONE should be taking this much gear unless they are at the national level....you just don't need it.....

holy mother of god! thanks for sharing, good luck on your future comps!

[c5529]

I just want to add one more comment....A lot of people seem to think that if you take steroids you'll look like the pros -- I can assure you that is not true....I"ve been training for 20 years, and taking steroids for 10...This does not happen overnigt.....Look at all the top pros --they've been training for a long, long time.....No amout of steroids will get you there quickly...Patience and consistency are the keys to bb......I also can't stress enough how important good diet is to being a bb.....

[SplinterCell]

I just want to add one more comment....A lot of people seem to think that if you take steroids you'll look like the pros -- I can assure you that is not true....I"ve been training for 20 years, and taking steroids for 10...This does not happen overnigt.....Look at all the top pros --they've been training for a long, long time.....No amout of steroids will get you there quickly...Patience and consistency are the keys to bb......I also can't stress enough how important good diet is to being a bb.....

Thanks for the advice buddy!

[Seajackal]

Thanks for the info sharing here c5529, that's gonna clear many guy's mind!
Nice advices!

[c5529]

glad I could help! Gotta go, time for another injection!! LOL

[Nicky B]

Have you dun any cycles GPAPA

[gpapa1]

Yes i have done one cycle consisting of Test E 500mg for 12 weeks

[stayinstacked]

I think that GH just levels the playing field these days!! That GH and slin just throws size on these guys today, and I know a guy who does mad GH, is ripped to the bone, and I'm going to tell you that alot of these guys are not dieting quite as tight as you think they are year round.

[bor]

Isn't it cool how we have pros on the board?

[JohnnyB]

What are the doses of professional bodybuilders? from what have you heard or what you realy know?

You don't have to mention names , just to see what is the space in juicing beteween the amateur use and professional use.

thanks

We can speculate all day long, but the only real way to find out is become a pro, then let us all know. But then you'd have to BS us because you'll have a supp contract that will restrict you from saying.

Here's something I hear, take it for what it's worth. Arny was a steroid BBer, Lee, AAS/HGH, Yates, AAS/HGH/Slin, Ronnie, AAS/HGH/Slin/IGF-1 (could be LR3, I would say it is, but he may not have started that way) he may have added PFG2, which would account for his added size at the last Mr. O

Like I said take it for what it's worth, one more speculation

JohnnyB

[AandF6969]

Thanks for sharing, c5529

[c5529]

Thanks for sharing, c5529

No problem at all. I'm glad it's been helpful...

[DrugsrGood]

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[MrMondodondo]

Great info! The important question especially for the younger guys and Noobs is are you taking Human Grade Test or other(such as Mexican). The dosages could vary drastically depending on the way the gear is dosed...... Wouldn't you agree?

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