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Absolutely works, im on Keto (CKD) and have seen amazing results!Originally Posted by FmRommel
I take the injectable though which works better then the tabs.
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GREAT POST BRO!!!
But I found some rather negative info on Clen...
Taken from Steroids.com:
Description: Is available in 10 - 20 mcg tablets or in the .016 mg/gram Ventapulmin Vet variety. Clenbuterol is known as a sympathomimetic. These hormones are taken to mimic adrenaline and noradrenaline in the human body. Clenbuterol is a selective beta-2 agonist that is used to stimulate the beta-receptors in fat and muscle tissue in the body. Clenbuterol exhibits most of its effects on the stimulation of both type 2 and 3 beta-receptors. Clenbuterol is really one of bodybuilding's most misunderstood performance enhancement drugs. It is true that it is effective in helping to burn bodyfat but it is often been stated that clenbuterol is effective in causing anabolic gains and has in times even been compared to some of the weaker anabolic steroids. Books such as the World Anabolic Review, 1996, by P. Grunding and M. Bachmann state incorrectly that, "its effects, however, can by all means be compared to those of steroids. Similar to a combination of Winstrol Depot and Oxandrolone...." These statements are inaccurate and misleading to say the least. A lot of these claims as to the anabolic effects of clenbuterol are derived from studying the effects of clenbuterol on livestock. Clenbuterol is effective in increasing muscle mass and decreasing fat loss in animals. The problem with the variation in anabolic effects between humans and livestock is that livestock have an abundance of the type 3 beta receptors whereas humans have little if any of the type 3 beta receptors. These beta-3 receptors increases insulin secretion and sensitivity, causing more glucose and amino acids to be transported into skeletal muscle thus causing the anabolic effects that we, humans, just aren't seeing. As Dan Duchaine stated in his Muscle Media article on clenbuterol, "In those animal research studies showing an anabolic effect from clenbuterol, it's my guess the anabolism happens specifically when the beta2 receptor stops working. At that point, the beta3 increases and causes the anabolic effect through insulin mechanisms." Since humans, again, have either very little or no beta-3 receptors, there is no chance of this anabolic effect. Just another of the studies where everyone assumed that what works in animals must work in humans. This is just simply not the case with clenbuterol. Clenbuterol does work effectively as a fat burner though. It does this by slight increases in the body temperature. With each degree that the temperature in your body is raised from the use of clenbuterol, you will burn up approximately an extra 5% of maintenance calories. This makes it effective as a fat burner. Your body will fight this by cutting down on the amount of active thyroid in the body as well as through beta-receptor down regulation, which explains why you only have a limited effective period to take clenbuterol. While I am on the subject of beta-receptor down regulation, I would like to dispose of another myth. This involves the two on/two off cycling theory that I believe was originated by Bill Phillips in the Anabolic Reference Guide and has somehow made it's was into every other steroid book since then including the WAR and Physical Enhancement with an Edge. The two on-two off theory simply will not work because of one main reason: the half life of clenbuterol. This 2-on/2-off idea was a THEORY ONLY, not by a doctor or scientist, and not based on specific knowledge of clenbuterol, but derived by imitation from other drug's with shorter half lives.
Clenbuterol has been reported as having a half life of about 2 days, but that is not actually correct, since it has biphasic elimination, with the half-life of the rapid phase being about 10 hours, and the slower phase being several days. Supposedly, this is one of the reasons the FDA never approved clenbuterol as an anti-asthmatic drug...the FDA frowns on drugs with long half-lives if drugs with more normal half-lives are available. So with a 2-on/2-off cycle you never have time to get enough of the clenbuterol out of your system for this theory to be reasonable. In actuality, it probably hasn't even dropped to 50% of your peak concentration before you are taking the drug again. With this all taken into account, there is no reason to think that this cycling would significantly reduce the problem of receptor desensitization. A more reasonable approach would be either one week on, one week off, or alternately, two weeks on two weeks off. The two week cycle has the disadvantage of a "crash" period afterwards. This crash period can be helped with the use of ephedrine to lessen the lethargy that you will experience.
If you are interested in taking clenbuterol for anything other than fat loss then you might as well stay away from this compound. There is a lot of talk as to how clenbuterol compares to ephedrine as well. Most "experts" feel that clen gives a better bang for the buck than the ECA stack. It should be noted that clenbuterol’s results and effects are much shorter lived. They work through very similar mechanisms. Both products stimulate the beta-receptors but clenbuterol seems to be a more refined version, called a second generation beta-agonist drug, than ephedrine. Clenbuterol targets the proper receptors, being the beta-2 and 3 receptors than ephedrine more specifically which should in theory make clenbuterol more effective of a fat burner. Again, most of the so called "experts" say that clenbuterol is more effective than ephedrine. I, personally, get worse results with clen vs. the good old ECA stack. Clenbuterol also didn't blunt my hunger either and I ate more while taking it as well. I also seem to get much better effects out of cytomel as a fat burner as well. Even better than the ECA stack or clenbuterol. But, again, that is my personal opinion. Effective Dose: 80-140 mcgs. / day in split doses throughout the day. Anything over 140 mcg a day is overkill since the beta receptors can only take so much of a product and then more is just wasteful.
Street Price: $.50 - 1.00 / tab. Fairly inexpensive in Mexico though. Spiropent is currently going for about $7.50/box, Novegam for $5.25/box, and Oxyflux for about $3.30/box.
Effective Dose: A few drops under the tongue and not used for but a few weeks at a time.
Street Price: Not a clue. Too hard to find. Even if I could find it I would not buy it.
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Hello, I bought Oxyflux 20 mcg, 50 pills, I've been taking it for a week now and feel my breathing better but not a significant boost on stamina and strength. I started with 40 mcg and then going to 60 mcg. I heard oxyflux is underdose , do you recommend me going to 80 mcg or more? I'm doing lot of cardio and heavy weights
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Anyone have a similar setup with all the subheadings for T3 - cytomel? I would like to hear about that.
Also, anyone that has used cytomel for 5-6 weeks, taken 6-8 weeks off and used again for 5-6 weeks, while cycling clen and eca, what kind of fat lose did you see. I am 6'2 about 217 with 13%,... would a cycle like that of T-3/clen with EQ/cyp along with it for 10 weeks with tren/winny/prop for the last 7 weeks turn me crazy lean and vascular for summer??? thanks alot bros, again, most excellent post!!!
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This is a great post!!!I am looking in to clen now and you have answered every question for me.....Thanks man!
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How would you space clen out during the day? For example, people take up to 120 mcg a day and it should be done before 4 pm. So would you take a pill every 2-3 hours? Could you take two pills at once?
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ok, how would you cycle 40 mcg clen?
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Thanks for the great information about clen it really cleared up alot of questions i had. I was just wondering if the clen i have is legit it is called Oxyflux by farmacueticos Rayere
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I think OxyFlux is a real product. Search in the pic section for it.
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The Juice Man
oxyflux is indeed legit, but quite underdosed from what i hearOriginally posted by MAYHEM13
Thanks for the great information about clen it really cleared up alot of questions i had. I was just wondering if the clen i have is legit it is called Oxyflux by farmacueticos Rayere
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Nobody answered.... cmon... help us out!Originally posted by Jattpac
How would you space clen out during the day? For example, people take up to 120 mcg a day and it should be done before 4 pm. So would you take a pill every 2-3 hours? Could you take two pills at once?
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Great post...BUMP!
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Originally posted by The Natural
Nobody answered.... cmon... help us out!
I took 2 pills at once - a pair when I got up, about 3 hours later and then again about 3-4 hours later. I was running T3 with clen and inject of tren/prop/eq. I slept just under 4 hours a night. I was vascular as hell - but that was because my blood pressure was up about 40 points the whole time. Clen and Tren - don't go together well for people with high blood pressure - my normal pressure is fine - 105-115 over 80 or something like that - normal. But it was close to 150 over 100 with the clen/tren combo.
Be careful.
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Bump. Great info!
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Can someone make this a sticky or put into the educational section?
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Excellent info. I was just composing a new thread in my head, wondering why I'm so lethargic: never knew ketotifen was an antihistamine. That explains it. 25mg of diphenhydramine puts me to sleep for 16 hours.
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Thanks mods.
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Ok Im sorry, I am sure I seem uneducated about the clen but every one tells me something different. I am a 23 year old female.
Do you have to taper off the clen? Will taking 60mcg be enough I was told 2 different ways one was to increase by 1 pill each day until i am taking 6 then go down by 1 each day and take 2 weeks off
the other was 1 week on up til 6 and 1 week off and repeat for 8 weeks
I am trying to read up, and figure it out but everyone keeps confusing me, I definitly dont want to start taking it until I am sure how. Please guys can you help me?
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I am not suggesting you take clen, however, this is what a female friend of mine did...
She started with 40mcg every day for the first week. She worked her way up to 100mcg per day. Woman should not exceed 100mcg. Use your own judgement with how your body reacts to the dosages of clen. Stay on it for 6-8 weeks max. Then take 4-6 weeks off. You do not need to taper off at all. Keep the dose consistant throughout the cycle.
*Remember, this is what my female friend did. I am not suggesting you should try this.
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refer to the top post on how to take it, but do not take those dosages, women should not take the same dosage measures as men. Be safe and enjoy.
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ok just so i can hear someone say it and i can ingest it. for a person like myself with high bp but is so damn eager to lose fat and cut up would do just about anything he could. My best bet would be to continue with my diet and do as much cardio as i can take till i cut down another 30 punds or so then start with the as get me self kinda ripped up then start a cycle to bulk up. hopefully with time left to do a cutting cycle before spring. or something like that?
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This is a good help bro...
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Bump this back to the top .. some good info in this thread.
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great post thanx man you are very helpful
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everyone should read these
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Does anitbiotics interfere w/ clen????
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Clen completely wiped out my potasium levels and sent me to the emergency room where i was hospitalized for 3-4 days. Make sure to take potasium pills by the handfull (not literally) when your taking clen. Clen can and in my case completely knocked my potasium down from the 4.5 range (healthy) to a flat zero. be safe.
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You should drink more orange juice (or better yet, Pedialyte) or eat a banana with it.
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Mangos are the best natural source of potassium there is. A mango has about 300% more potassium than a bannana does.
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Hmm, that's not what I'm seeing..
http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/inf...ta/data5b.html
Mango is 190mg
Banana is 350mg
(Measured by 100gram serving of each)
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Guys just a quick question , im getting a tub of clen in powder form, all I can get clen in for now, just wanted to know what dosage to take, im a a newbie to clen have used AS before but not clen , ive heard that its not that good for your heart but just looking to burn a bit of fat , anyway any help from you experienced guys would be great.
thanks
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Be careful what you recommend dear. Potassium has a NARROW therapeutic range. Too much can kill you as fast as too little. And yes, I'm qualified to say this, I have a bachelors degree in nursing and almost all of my floor experience is in medical. In other words I have a lot of book knowledge and practical experience on this subject. Zero huh? your a lucky boy. I'm amazed you are alive... Did you have a heart attack?
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does anyone know whether it's safe to drink on clen??? thanx
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Having a drink once a week will not hurt. I even drank several beers one night mid-way through one of my clen cycles. It gave me some nasty jitters though. Just think though. Clen is powerful stuff which passes through your liver. It is not a good idea to drink while taking any type of oral. If you love the flavor of beer with a big steak, then treat yourself once every other week. If you are looking to get as lean as possible while staying as healthy as possible, don't drink. Simple.
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Great read. Very educational.
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bumpity bump bump....nice info with the tuarine....
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