Estrogen Will It Effect My Gains

[J*U*icEd]

Dupa, you are an utter post whore.

absolutely hes been here a year and already has more posts then i do... lol

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[RapaciousShark]

hey welsh, I'm a noob but i know you should be concerned about that lag. I got an itty bit of gyno ,started letro and it got horribly out of control. It took two weeks exactly before the gyno stopped getting worse. That's why imo nolva is better to try first if no lumps are present yet.

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my nipples would be in the normal range if it had stopped the progression even a week sooner.

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in b4 dupa

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[RapaciousShark]

i dont get it

[Merc..]

i dont get it

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maybe a random statement on his sex life??? j/k!!!

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[GGallin]

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[hugovsilva]

[Hephens]

I would just like to say please don't kill your estrogen too much while cycleing it affected my gains and a perfect example was made i hadnt realize wtf went on between me and my mate till i realize i was using AI and he was using nolva, both did same cycle both ate too much food, both had same strength he came out bigger than me after the cycle i came out more defined cause i barely had water retention, but he came out with more acne i barely had any just a pimple here and there. So if u want more size and can put up with the estrogen sides use nolva or a mild anti E and if you don't want much sides and don't mind losing less than usualy gains, use AI. Btw You still make huge gains using AI's

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[RapaciousShark]

je ne comprend pas....

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[Sculpture]

I know I sound crazy but I love estrogen!!! That's right I said I love estrogen!! haha When I take any anti-estrogens or e-inhibitors or blockers i have to use twice as much gear to get half as huch gains. Plus my hair sheds and my skin looks dry and ugly, also my joints hurt.

I'm fortunate not to be gyno prone and I love to run 750mg test with some deca or eq and no nolva etc. I feel and look great and the gains come easy. I believe that it is much healthier to take a dose your body can handle without estrogenic sides. If you have to use estrogen blockers then your using too high of a dose of test and your wasting gear, money, and your health, that's my 2 cents peace

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[aer_vlad]

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[Merc..]

This thread is awesome in my opinon. Definatly a good discussion. And um, do you need to bump this so much? This thread is 6 pages long and I swear 5 of them were dupa lol .

My question is what if you're very prone to gyno? Would you run an AI during the whole cycle and sacrafice the gains from estrogen? As I previously stated (on page 3 or something) taking letro on and off during a cycle would result in a chaotic spike of hormone levels all the time - letro may not even reach a steady plasma level in your blood. ???

So...could you run a real low amount of a-dex the whole time?

Reading between C Bino's gyno reversal thread and Merc's post is a flood of different information.

These are just some thoughts that don't seem to be real clear and wondered what everyone thought. I was real curious in what you thought Merc.
Thanks for your time.

~aer_vlad

Yea, if you are gyno prone you could consider using an AI for the entire cycle ......


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[InsaneMike]

I'll let my experience out. I was in wk 7 TestE(500mg)&Deca(400mg), and then gyno started to form, i used C-Bino's reversal and that worked great.
But it really effected my training and gains, strenght din't go up fast anymore, and i lost 7 pounds of water. My head wasnt right also, I din't feel that crazy explosive feeling you get if youre on.

Then after 5wks I stopped the letro and switched from Test/Deca to Sust/Tren, I wanted to reach a certain goad. And till now the strenght gains are crazy, just like the mass. My nipple's are hurting a little and I take 20mg Nolva ED, that stops it from growing, but doesnt effect my gains like letro.

On the other hand, letro @ 2.5mg ED is a high dose, maybe on 0.5mg EOD wouldnt be that bad.

[Sculpture]

I had nipple flare up once on 500mg per week sus and 700mg per week deca. I've learned that in that combo it can get me. I can take 100mg per week test even throw in some d-bol and be ok but with high deca dosage the gyno tries to start . So the inclusion of progesterone is what gets me not high estrogen. Right now im on 750mg per week sustanon 600mg per week eq and 350mg per week deca and not a hint of nipple activity. I keep nolva nearby incase but i refuse to use it unless i have to cuz these gains and the way i feel are to good to be limiting as a prevention.