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    Quote Originally Posted by mxer_kx View Post
    so those thigns i listed are all worth while to do when dealing with prop and once again thanks for the help
    Those things MAY help, but if its painful prop.....its going to hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJM1984 View Post
    Quick recap: Muscle gained from Dbol and muscle gained from other steroids are two different things? Why does everyone always say "You lose all of your gains from Dbol" Thats not true. Lets say you gain 20lbs. from a four week cycle of Dbol, 10-15lbs. of that is water, so after you drop the water, you're left with 5 lbs. of LBM, if diet and PCT is good. So whats wrong with 5lbs. in 4 weeks? Average users gain around 10-20lbs. of LBM from a 10-15 week cycle of test, so if you divide that weight up by the amount of time, they almost seem equal as far as the gains are concerned. True orals are much more harsh on the body, but they can be very effective, read up on your bodybuilding history, many of the greats built their bodies on Dbol. No disrespect intended, I respect your opinion.

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    But if your training and diet is in check, you should be able to gain five pounds of LMB in four to five weeks without Dbol. I've just never seen Dbol as a stand-alone product, only as a suppliment to an injectable.

    It seems pretty expensive to go that route, Dbol only for only five pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRep View Post
    But if your training and diet is in check, you should be able to gain five pounds of LMB in four to five weeks without Dbol. I've just never seen Dbol as a stand-alone product, only as a suppliment to an injectable.

    It seems pretty expensive to go that route, Dbol only for only five pounds.
    You're entitled to your opinion but damn, I wish I could gain 5lbs. of LBM a month natural, the average male can only gain 10-15lbs. of LBM a year with proper diet and excercise. Plus a 5 week cycle of Dbol runs ya about the cost of a tank of gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJM1984 View Post
    You're entitled to your opinion but damn, I wish I could gain 5lbs. of LBM a month natural, the average male can only gain 10-15lbs. of LBM a year with proper diet and excercise. Plus a 5 week cycle of Dbol runs ya about the cost of a tank of gas.
    I wouldn't even go that far. I've been lifting for 21 years and before I started AAS 2 years ago I was damn lucky to put on 5 lbs. a year naturally.

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    Just go with Test Enanthate 500/mg a week for 12 weeks. Eat Lean, do your cardio, a good pct, and you can even through in some Clen if you really want to during your PCT. You'll get great results and it's unlikely you'll have a bad first experience. Try to keep in mind that you've never stuck a pin in your ass and you might not like it...the thought of sticking anything in my ass is a very unpleasurable thought...hahahahahah. But what are you going to do if it's not as easy as you think and after 2-4 weeks of ED or EOD injections it becomes too much for you??? Now you've wasted a lot of time and money, and it might even give you negative perception of gear in general! A lot of people never go back to the dentist because of a bad first experience regardless of the benefits. All I'm saying is why don't you start with something much easier, get the feel of things, and if all goes well then go for the prop next cycle. There's a reason 99% of all the vets here (the people that REALLY know what they're talking about) recommend Test E for a first cycle!!! Feel free to ignore this advice and 99% of all the advice given in every other "first time cycle" thread, but we're all gonna roll our eyes if 4 weeks from not you have a new thread entitled "Prop hurts way to much...What do I do now"!!! Just my opinion!

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    lol i totally here yah and appreciate your advice was just wondering though if i was to go with prop or even if i go with test e id still be cutting it with some b12 what im wondering is A) do i switch the needle each time i draw from the viles and B) from what ive read you have to inject the same amount of air into the vile as you will be drawing out so once i draw from one vile and then i go to draw from the second vile do i have to or is it possible even to inject the same amount of air as i will be drawing out or do i just draw it out with out injecting the air ?

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    you could switch the needle every time but most people wipe the top of the bottles they are using with a alcohol swab before drawing out of them so changing the needle every time isn't necessary, though you can change the needle before injecting because inserting the needle into the vial dulls the point so a new needle will make for a less painful injection.

    injecting air into the vials is to create pressure inside the vial which makes drawing out the compound easier but isn't necessary, in fact in an unclean environment (though you should always pin in a clean setting) putting air into the vial could contaminate the compound if the air was unclean, neway, its not necessary, just make sure to get the air bubbles out of the syringe before injecting

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    right on thanks that clears alot up i guess another question i have how much more beneficial is it to run complex b vs just the b12

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    IMO not much difference, the b-complex i have right now has

    12.5mg Thiamine Hydrocloride (B1)
    12.5mg Niacinimide (Niacin)
    5.0mg Pyrodoxine Hydrocloride (B6)
    5.0mg d-Panthenol
    2.0mg Riboflavin (B2)
    1.0mg (1000mcg) cyanocobalamin (B12)

    for the sake of comparison i'm going to use the RDA (Recommended Daily Allowance) percentages to show the contrast in amount of B12 you get with the other ingredients

    RDA(%)
    12.5mg Thiamine Hydrocloride (B1) 833.5%
    12.5mg Niacinimide (Niacin) 62.5%
    5.0mg Pyrodoxine Hydrocloride (B6) 250.0%
    5.0mg d-Panthenol 125.0%
    2.0mg Riboflavin (B2) 117.6%
    1.0mg (1000mcg) cyanocobalamin (B12) 16680.0%

    using this comparison you can see the difference in the balance of vitamins you are getting, though if you can get b-complex and it doesn't cost a lot more, why not get it, the extra vitamins can't hurt.

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    I used the information from a bottle of Complex-B Plus that i have and cross-referenced it with a bottle of Higher Power Multi XS Multivitamins. How i did this was to use the mgs from the injectable b12 and the percentages from the bottle at the same mg to get the percentages shown.

    For example: There is 12.5mg of Thiamine Hydrocloride in the Injectable B-Complex bottle. In the Higher Power bottle it shows that 25mg of Thiamine Hydrocloride is 1667% of RDA. Therefore since both bottles use Thiamine Hydrocloride molecular weight ratio is 1:1 since they are the same compound and 1667% at 25mg will be 833.5% at 12.5mg.

    I did this for all the compounds, though please note that RDA values change depending on Sex, Age, and Weight. This is the reason i used the Multivitamin bottle to cross-reference as all the values-percentages will be at a constant Sex, Age, and Weight. That being said i do not know what those values are for this particular bottle.

    If you see any errors in my data please PM me and i will correct them immediately
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    So I came to this site that has orals and capsule anabolics, Ive tried capsules before and was wondering if oral is the same as injection steroids? If so which is the best method to achieve the best results?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apstylez View Post
    So I came to this site that has orals and capsule anabolics, Ive tried capsules before and was wondering if oral is the same as injection steroids? If so which is the best method to achieve the best results?
    the word oral would be a give away. also, no need to bump ancient threads

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