PINNACLE..im calling you out...opps

[BITTAPART2]

I read a post about LR3 and you mentioned it was only good as a glucose disposal agent because the compound is rendered inneffective when the LR3 was added to it? can you explain this to me please? I noticed I kept all my cycle gains and added 3 lbs during PCT after a year long cycle that was pretty harsh a lot of the time. Can you expound or perhaps offer any citations or refrences for this ? I am considering ordering a few more kits for my next PCT run. thanks BITTA

[Pinnacle]

LR3 added to what? IGF-1 was altered,nothing added. The protein chain/sequence was broken (altered).
Do you want me to explain how rIGF-1 works? You realize rIGF-1 mimics insulin in it disposes of blood glucose, right? rIGF-1 has nothing to do with lipolysis like some wildly make claim to. How it helps with in a diet is it disposes of blood glucose as to not allow any extra to be stored as fat.
When people see weight gain on LR3 it is water retention, and or coupled with increased glycogen storage. There is not one bit of evidence showing LR3 IGF-1 can cause increased muscle tissue. Not one piece, nor will there ever be. Gropep has shown LR3 has caused kidney damage (and death) in mice. That alone will stop any human testing.

You added 3 pounds of what using LR3? Water/fat/ increased glycogen uptake (again, see water).

Let me ask you this question:
The FDA approved rIGF-1 for adolescent growth disorders. Why is it the FDA has not conducted studies on LR3 if it supposedly(by some wishful thinking bodybuilders) a great drug for mass?
Could it possibly be the FDA has spoken with Gropep over any concerns they might have with LR3 IGF-1?
I spoke in depth with gropep in regards to LR3 several years back. I actually posted some( not all) the e mail correspondences right here on this very board

Next time you have any questions regarding a topic, you might not want to CALL someone out til you in fact know what YOU are talking about first.

Pinnacle

[NotSmall]

Pinn you've been called out beeeyatch!

[Pinnacle]

Pinn you've been called out beeeyatch!

If I only had a dollar every time someone got bent out if shape when I told them LR3 is f*cking useless(as a muscle builder), I'd be sipping Mai Thai"s on a beach on f*cking Tahiti :-)

[NotSmall]

If I only had a dollar every time someone got bent out if shape when I told them LR3 is f*cking useless(as a muscle builder), I'd be sipping Mai Thai"s on a beach on f*cking Tahiti :-)

Well next you'll be suggesting that MGF is not the holy grail of bodybuilding you crazy fuck!

[Pinnacle]

Well next you'll be suggesting that MGF is not the holy grail of bodybuilding you crazy fuck!

I'll get to that once I beat off all the LR3 trolls :-)

[groundandpoundpwr21]

If I only had a dollar every time someone got bent out if shape when I told them LR3 is f*cking useless(as a muscle builder), I'd be sipping Mai Thai"s on a beach on f*cking Tahiti :-)

Ive tried it many ways and I have to agree with you that its useless.

[Pinnacle]

Ive tried it many ways and I have to agree with you that its useless.

Yep, all the people I know that experimented heavily with LR3 all agree it useless as a muscle building compound.
There was a poll done on my home board awhile back in regards to LR3, NOT ONE person said it aided in muscle tisssue. NOT ONE! And the board is pretty much loaded with top level bodybuilders.Actually it is a bodybuilding board with a drug section. But when you have tons of national level competitors all saying the same thing, that alone is worth it's weight in gold.

[groundandpoundpwr21]

Yep, all the people I know that experimented heavily with LR3 all agree it useless as a muscle building compound.
There was a poll done on my home board awhile back in regards to LR3, NOT ONE person said it aided in muscle tisssue. NOT ONE! And the board is pretty much loaded with top level bodybuilders.Actually it is a bodybuilding board with a drug section. But when you have tons of national level competitors all saying the same thing, that alone is worth it's weight in gold.

I like fina better for raising igf levels and leaning out.

[PT]

im a die hard igf fan. i love igf, hgh and slin together

[goose]

im a die hard igf fan. i love igf, hgh and slin together

really....How much muscle does IGF give you?

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

lol okay, slow down here.

Im def no expert. But I was under the impression that IGF-1 won't cause any mass gains, but it creates more muscle cells, thus leading to greater gains in the future.

????

But, Pinn, your saying it doesnt? And can only harm you?

lol I just wanna get this straight for me, as I was not aware of this, and was planning on running it pretty soon.

[Pinnacle]

lol okay, slow down here.

Im def no expert. But I was under the impression that IGF-1 won't cause any mass gains, but it creates more muscle cells, thus leading to greater gains in the future.

????

But, Pinn, your saying it doesnt? And can only harm you?

lol I just wanna get this straight for me, as I was not aware of this, and was planning on running it pretty soon.

Define IGF-1...as in rIGF-1 that has clinical studies showing small increases of muscle mass, or LR3 IGF-1 that has zero clinical trails


LR3 has been shown in lab conditions, to be harmful in mice. Actually caused kidney failure. It showed some growth in mice. But what good is it if your a dead mouse? Further, human metabolism is significantly different than that of mice. It's foolish for anyone to say it will in fact work in humans, when science has shown countless times in lab conditions drugs that showed promise in animals had no bearing in human studies conducted. FACT! Any scientist will tell you that.

Bottom line is anyone who says LR3 has had muscle tissue growth has Zero clue about there body and are nothing more than dreamers...wishful thinkers if you will.

Pinnacle

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Define IGF-1...as in rIGF-1 that has clinical studies showing small increases of muscle mass, or LR3 IGF-1 that has zero clinical trails


LR3 has been shown in lab conditions, to be harmful in mice. Actually caused kidney failure. It showed some growth in mice. But what good is it if your a dead mouse? Further, human metabolism is significantly different than that of mice. It's foolish for anyone to say it will in fact work in humans, when science has shown countless times in lab conditions drugs that showed promise in animals had no bearing in human studies conducted. FACT! Any scientist will tell you that.

Bottom line is anyone who says LR3 has had muscle tissue growth has Zero clue about there body and are nothing more than dreamers...wishful thinkers if you will.

Pinnacle

nice post.

I know about the mass gains. But what about the increase in muscle cells, leading to better gains in the future?
Does this not happen?

Maybe you answered this, and Im just not understanding.

lol I don't want to run this anymore. I guess I'm pretty thankful your around haha

[PT]

really....How much muscle does IGF give you?

how much muscle does it give me? i cant tell you how much muscle an 8 week cycle of npp and prop give me. i perfer to use slin and igf pwo to aid in recovery. obviously igf helps regulate cell growth and development but i definatly can say what i gain because i have never used it alone. i know alot of people that love igf and the results obtained but just like hgh i also know others that swear it dosnt produce a single positive result. every body reacts differently to different drugs. from what i can gather it is not possible to really say how well it works or dosnt because it all opinions. the only license to conduct human testing is held by a biopharmaceutical company called tercica and is limited to children suffering from growth faliure due to igf deficiency. tests in rats show that igf-1 LR3 can increase the extent of muscle repair and is responsible for hyperplasia which most of us know is more muscle fibers. now i can go on and on about the things i read about igf but personally i dont belive everything because even though rat testing is a neccesity to move on to human testing there is a huge diffrence between the make up of our bodies and that of a rat so i doubt the results are the same. all i know is that igf seems to work for me. i have never gained large amounts of muscle with it like i do with test but i compare the results somewhat to that of hgh. this is an opinion and nothing i wrote is a fact and i realize that after reading PINN's post about the bloodwork being done i realize that i need to do alot more studying and talk to alot more people about this. obviously i cant atgue with pinn's post because he has the bloodwork to back it up so all i can do is find out as much more info as i can about tests run and make up my own conclusion as to whether its benifical for me or not. i want to thank everyone who posted here (especially pinn) because it has been extremly helpful and educational for me and i enjoy debates like this very much because it is how people learn.

[***xxx***]

I am very certain that igf promotes muscle growth - like gh. after all hgh launches the release of igf in the liver and igf promotes the processes on cellular levels.

the point is that the chinese are sending whatever labeled as igf/hgh abd ppl assess igf/hgh though they never had anything close to the stuff in their hands.

there is only one human grade pharmaceutical igf product world wide on the market, it is extremely expensive and fragile. it can only last 1 hour out of the freezer - even if the chinese would have been able to copy it, how can the chinese ship this crap 3 days or more without cooling system? do you think they invented a new igf formula that is stable and market it to 1/10 of the price to the bodybuilding community? it s bullshit. I don t get it that ppl are still buying this chinese crap...

[Pinnacle]

I am very certain that igf promotes muscle growth - like gh. after all hgh launches the release of igf in the liver and igf promotes the processes on cellular levels.

the point is that the chinese are sending whatever labeled as igf/hgh abd ppl assess igf/hgh though they never had anything close to the stuff in their hands.

there is only one human grade pharmaceutical igf product world wide on the market, it is extremely expensive and fragile. it can only last 1 hour out of the freezer - even if the chinese would have been able to copy it, how can the chinese ship this crap 3 days or more without cooling system? do you think they invented a new igf formula that is stable and market it to 1/10 of the price to the bodybuilding community? it s bullshit. I don t get it that ppl are still buying this chinese crap...

I completely agree that actual rIGF-1 produces muscle tissue. LR3 IGF-1? No ****ing way...sorry to disappoint those who having been blindly pissing away money on that stuff.
You'd be far better off spending 200 a month on a kit of blue tops as opposed to LRshit IGF-1

I know exactly what my IGF levels are at 2 iu's-4 iu's- 6 iu's -8 iu's -10 iu's

6 and above is where IGF levels really start to soar. That's what you want!

[Pinnacle]

how much muscle does it give me? i cant tell you how much muscle an 8 week cycle of npp and prop give me. i perfer to use slin and igf pwo to aid in recovery. obviously igf helps regulate cell growth and development but i definatly can say what i gain because i have never used it alone. i know alot of people that love igf and the results obtained but just like hgh i also know others that swear it dosnt produce a single positive result. every body reacts differently to different drugs. from what i can gather it is not possible to really say how well it works or dosnt because it all opinions. the only license to conduct human testing is held by a biopharmaceutical company called tercica and is limited to children suffering from growth faliure due to igf deficiency. tests in rats show that igf-1 LR3 can increase the extent of muscle repair and is responsible for hyperplasia which mosy know is more muscle fibers. now i can go on and on about the things i read about igf but personally i dont belive everything because even though rat testing is a neccesity to move on to human training there is a huge diffrence between the make up of our bodies and that of a rat so i doubt the results are the same. all i know is that igf seems to work for me. i have never gained large amounts of muscle with it like i do with test but i compare the results somewhat to that of hgh. this is an opinion and nothing i wrote is a fact and i realize that after reading PINN's post about the bloodwork being done i realize that i need to do alot more studying and talk to alot more people about this. obviously i cant atgue with pinn's post because he has the bloodwork to back it up so all i can do is find out as much more info as i can about tests run and make up my own conclusion as to whether its benifical for me or not. i want to thank everyone who posted here (especially pinn) because it has been extremly helpful and educational for me and i enjoy debates like this very much because it is how people learn.

Good post. I respect your honesty and open mindedness

[BITTAPART2]

I read a post about LR3 and you mentioned it was only good as a glucose disposal agent because the compound is rendered inneffective when the LR3 was added to it? can you explain this to me please? I noticed I kept all my cycle gains and added 3 lbs during PCT after a year long cycle that was pretty harsh a lot of the time. Can you expound or perhaps offer any citations or refrences for this ? I am considering ordering a few more kits for my next PCT run. thanks BITTA

this is my original post.....minus the ...oops on the title, I dont take shit back I say or dont ever say "oops" as I am not 45 years old and a homemaker that would say some shit like...oops. I dont retract my question tht was seemingly misconstrued and taken as an attack, it was out of respect for Pinns knowledge, so editing my shit made someone feel funny/cool/happy whatever emotions are able to be felt over a steroid message board, great. Again wasnt trying to challenge anyone, just looking for information so I wouldndt waste money. never made any claims to have more extensive knowlegde than pinn does on the issue. I assume I should title felt altercational? I dunno. if anyone has any lab tests etc they could post Id appreciate it, for now I am just believing pinn had ran his own study overseen by an endo, and just decided to vaugely share his conclusion for people spending upwards 2 bills a mg. thanks

[Gear]

I think this thread should end just about now.

-Gear

[Pinnacle]

I think this thread should end just about now.

-Gear

LOL


in one more time before the lock:-)

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Hey Gear, whats your take on all this?

Besides Pinn's addiction to teen porn

[Pinnacle]

Besides Pinn's addiction to teen porn

At least I'm versatile. One day it's anal teen porn, the next teen cum guzzlers.
A fine example is tonight being Monday. This is where I bring a touch of culture in the mix. "Horny Asian assholes" is top bill on the menu this evening. Of course I can't end the evening til viewing "Asian Cream pies". It just wouldn't be right.

[Gear]

Hey Gear, whats your take on all this?

Besides Pinn's addiction to teen porn

I've never rated LR3 too highly either, but I wouldn't say it does absolutely fk all because I did experience some minor fat loss and I did harden up a bit while using IGF-1 LR3. As for gaining muscle, it would be difficult to say how much muscle I gained from LR3 alone because everytime I used it I also used AAS and insulin. I guess you would need to use LR3 alone to know excatly what it does.

I have given up on using IGF all together because every time I added it to my AAS cycle the end result would be just about the same as my previous cycle results without IGF. Like I said, it does deliver some minor gains but I wouldn't say it's worth what it is. If 2mg of IGF was $50 I'd probably use it more often.

-Gear

[Narkissos]

Personally I don't see why it should end... I think it has good info.

No unnecessary personal cracks..

And.. there was mention of porn.

What better type of thread exists?

-CNS

[Gear]

Personally I don't see why it should end... I think it has good info.

I felt things started to get heated between members so that's why I said this thread should end before it becomes a battlefield. I guess if everyone behaves then we'll keep on going.

-Gear

[Bluerain]

I felt things started to get heated between members so that's why I said this thread should end before it becomes a battlefield. I guess if everyone behaves then we'll keep on going.

-Gear

Hi Gear

So you felt things were getting heated and jumped in to keep it on track..I agree totally..but what about this ?(See quote below)


It's uncalled for this type of language in this forum. I come to this section to read up on HGH IGF SLIN not about porn involving teenage girls and smut. It's a shame because Pinn has good info to offer and i have to read thru his post then come upon this crap with underage girls and smut.

A few heated words and you jump in ..that's great..No flaming is enforced also but when it comes to this shiat ( Vile posts ) it's OK .

Yes porn is out there but this isn't the place for these type of posts. I would like to see this type of posting enforced also as this isn't the section where it belongs.

I can't believe you draw the line on other things and this nonsense gets by without a word from you or any other mod .

This isn't the only post of this nature from him.

Thankyou for your time.
Blue

At least I'm versatile. One day it's anal teen porn, the next teen cum guzzlers.
A fine example is tonight being Monday. This is where I bring a touch of culture in the mix. "Horny Asian assholes" is top bill on the menu this evening. Of course I can't end the evening til viewing "Asian Cream pies". It just wouldn't be right.

[Kale]

Hi Gear

So you felt things were getting heated and jumped in to keep it on track..I agree totally..but what about this ?(See quote below)


It's uncalled for this type of language in this forum. I come to this section to read up on HGH IGF SLIN not about porn involving teenage girls and smut. It's a shame because Pinn has good info to offer and i have to read thru his post then come upon this crap with underage girls and smut.

A few heated words and you jump in ..that's great..No flaming is enforced also but when it comes to this shiat ( Vile posts ) it's OK .

Yes porn is out there but this isn't the place for these type of posts. I would like to see this type of posting enforced also as this isn't the section where it belongs.

I can't believe you draw the line on other things and this nonsense gets by without a word from you or any other mod .

This isn't the only post of this nature from him.

Thankyou for your time.
Blue

Please highlight where underage was mentioned. 18 and 19 is still considered "teenage" is it not ?

[Bluerain]

Please highlight where underage was mentioned. 18 and 19 is still considered "teenage" is it not ?

I can't believe you're even saying this..

Underage is also 13 14 15 16 17..where did he say 18 19 ?

It works both ways .

Doesn't it disturbed you what was posted ..do you have a daughter ..sister..?

Even if he did say 18 -19 (which he didn't) these type of posts don't belong in this section but you chose to ignore that and get into semantics.

Enough from me ..

[Narkissos]

It's uncalled for this type of language in this forum. I come to this section to read up on HGH IGF SLIN not about porn involving teenage girls and smut. It's a shame because Pinn has good info to offer and i have to read thru his post then come upon this crap with underage girls and smut.

A few heated words and you jump in ..that's great..No flaming is enforced also but when it comes to this shiat ( Vile posts ) it's OK .

Yes porn is out there but this isn't the place for these type of posts. I would like to see this type of posting enforced also as this isn't the section where it belongs.

I can't believe you draw the line on other things and this nonsense gets by without a word from you or any other mod .

This isn't the only post of this nature from him.

Thankyou for your time.
Blue

*rolls eyes*

That's more than a bit over-the-top is it not?

Where was porn discussed?

A casual mention?

Right.

-CNS

[Gear]

Horny Asian Assholes? LOL. Pinn where the hell do you come up with these names

-Gear

[plzr8]

lower the damn test dosage Pinn

[goose]

lower the damn test dosage Pinn

My old friend pinn is on low does when he is on cycle,around 6 G per week

As my old mate says; P USSYS need not apply!!!!!

[BITTAPART2]

took the words outa my mouth^^^^

anyway, I think this thread is actually very good and may have saved a lot of people some cash. I think an in depth discussion of LR3 is definatly well overdue as peptides are fethcing some serious cash right now especially with the semi-dry market. I will clarify for the last time, I was asking Pinn to come shine a light on this issue and hopefully open a discussion about LR3, the title may have seemed a bit abrasive I can see that, but having no prior issues with Pinn, in fact having asked him many questions via PMs in the past, I didnt think it would be misconstrued. But I am just going to run a GH/slin cycle instead of waste my money on the LR3. There is not one shred of concrete evidence about muscle tissue growth from LR3, I think I may have even been using slin the past runs I had with LR3, because my diet was so clean i wouldnt have gained fat anyway, that and the pumps were similar and i did feel a bit hypo on training days at 100mcg

[plzr8]

this isnt a congressional hearing....its a online steroid forum and many things discussed on a daily basis tend to be illegal.

yah pinn is a bit crazy, but contributes a great deal of knowledge & first hand experience. i dont think any "line" was crossed....like kale said, the porn reference im sure was 18+ and considered legal. granted i dont really care for the porn references, but im not on 6g of test....gotta get it out somewhere i guess!

this is no attack on you blue, just my .02....carry on

[goose]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Gear]

Bluerain,

You're absolutely right. Some of the stuff that has been said may have offended some, but I didn't say anything about it because everyone seemed to be ok with it. I guess I shouldn't wait till someone is effected before doing something about it. Next time around, I'll make sure any unnecessary comments are deleted and a warning is issued to the poster.

Thank you pointing that out.

-Gear

[Pinnacle]

Bluerain,

You're absolutely right. Some of the stuff that has been said may have offended some, but I didn't say anything about it because everyone seemed to be ok with it. I guess I shouldn't wait till someone is effected before doing something about it. Next time around, I'll make sure any unnecessary comments are deleted and a warning is issued to the poster.

Thank you pointing that out.

-Gear

Warn posters of what? Humor? There was nothing offensive posted in this
his thread. She's just looking to start sh*t. And for no reason I might add.

There are zero rules about humor, whether it be in regards to porn or whatever as long as it isn't racial slurs/ bigot comments ect.
Should any of my posts EVER get deleted I will speak to Brian about it.
Moderating is just that.You don't alter rules to appease one whiny person that has a piss poor out look on life.Has zero sense of humor and is just plain miserable

[bmg]

what wrong with a man proclaiming his fascination of porn... i thought it fit right in.

[legobricks]

Great discussion guys, and gals

Always interesting to know the full view with people. I remember hearing a little bit from goose about the Lr3 version which was very interesting to know. I needed to know myself so I ran another cycle of IGF at 100mcg per day versus the 50mcg last time. The only things i noticed was infact increased glycogen retention, shed a little bit of fat, and hardened up a bit. Also became a little vascular.

Other then that, i really see no benefit of IGF Lr3 so with that and it being expensive for the results i wont use it anymore. I would use it if it was 50 per 2mg but other then that its not worth it. Im not sure who stated it but id rather spend the money on blue tops per month.

With that being said, that money for 2mg of IGF could have gone towards a nice short prop cycle which would have yielded better results. Thanks goose and Pinn AND Gear for ur input!