All you need to know about GYNO.

[MFT81]

Deff sticky material

[guest589745]

Maybe he thought the bump up was another post??? Kinda new member.

[monstermasss]

good stuff!!

[AnabolicBoy1981]

im gonna harass C_Bino with one more Q.

Would you say letro is better at fat reduction do to its ability to enter the fat cell? Say using it as part of a cutting phase even if not on gear?

[lane]

i have slight gyno from genetics but not too worried about it. just don't want anymore heres my question.
I plan on taking nolva for a pct of halodrol. From what i have read, this will block the estrogen from the receptor sites. Since a certain part of the brain is not getting enough estro it tells the balls to start producing more test that the brain thinks will eventually be converted to estrogen. will estrogen levels be rising as they are being blocked? Should i take something that gets rid of the estrogen that will eventually come from the new test? in other words, should i start taking nolva for a pct and then switch to an anti-estrogen towards the end to get rid of this built up estrogen? Should i switch to Letro at the end of the pct or will the estrogen levels not get up too high?

[C_Bino]

i have slight gyno from genetics but not too worried about it. just don't want anymore heres my question.
I plan on taking nolva for a pct of halodrol. From what i have read, this will block the estrogen from the receptor sites. Since a certain part of the brain is not getting enough estro it tells the balls to start producing more test that the brain thinks will eventually be converted to estrogen. will estrogen levels be rising as they are being blocked? Should i take something that gets rid of the estrogen that will eventually come from the new test? in other words, should i start taking nolva for a pct and then switch to an anti-estrogen towards the end to get rid of this built up estrogen? Should i switch to Letro at the end of the pct or will the estrogen levels not get up too high?

No that wont be a problem with nolvadex, there is an estrogen rebound when using something that is fully suppressive of estrogen such as letro, but with nolva there is still estrogen in the body just not binding to the receptors so its not shut down or anything, once you come off nolva you will be fine man.

[marcus300]

No that wont be a problem with nolvadex, there is an estrogen rebound when using something that is fully suppressive of estrogen such as letro, but with nolva there is still estrogen in the body just not binding to the receptors so its not shut down or anything, once you come off nolva you will be fine man.

The tit doctor has spoken

[boxingbean]

hey c bino....i just took ur advice and got me sum letro....but 1 prob....how much do i take since it comes in a spray???/how would i measure it when i goes by a spray...a hard spray will give more, while a slow push would not...c my prob??? help me out??

[C_Bino]

hey c bino....i just took ur advice and got me sum letro....but 1 prob....how much do i take since it comes in a spray???/how would i measure it when i goes by a spray...a hard spray will give more, while a slow push would not...c my prob??? help me out??

Dont use the spray bro. Just use a syringe to measure it out. Much more accurate.

[boxingbean]

and does anyone have any exp. knowledge of rebound xt??

[thaisteroids]

Great post!
you forgot to mention the positive effects of vit B6 (200mcg ED) for preventing/reducing Gyno
Also some Dostinex at 0.5 or even 0.25mg combined with Letro can do wonders.

[C_Bino]

As for the question about fat-loss (sorry I missed it before, i accidentally skimmed over it). The only thing I can say is that femara has been used in studies to treat obesity. Since serum testosterone can be somewhat lower in obese males due to the slowed synthesis of LH and FSH production, letro has been shown to normalize these serum test levels, as we all know LH and FSH increase with the use of letro and testosterone obviously aids in weight loss we can assume that letro can be used to help with weightloss. However, testosterone levels are only diminished in cases of fairly severe obesity. For most people just looking to lean up more on this site I somewhat question the ability for letro to do the trick so to speak.

If you do want to give this a try I see no problem with doing it off cycle, the normal dose in studies of obesity and testosterone profiles was again 2.5mg per day.

Anyways, to finish off I would honestly say you would be better off using an ECA stack or clen (even though Im not a big fan), over letro. If you are on cycle you could try using letro even if you dont need an AI to see if there is any difference but I would say again running test (usually at a minimum dose of 500mg per week) the impact of letro on weight loss will be slight to say the least, imo you wont be able to notice a difference.

[SMAN12b]

Great info for all. Thanks Dr.Mc Tits

[C_Bino]

Just thought I would make an update. I just read a more recent report put out by Novaris on the use of Letrozole to treat breast cancer. As most of us know tamoxifen (nolva) is usually a first line of defense against breast cancer and then letro is used as a more powerful alternative if nolva is not working as well as expected.

Now, we have also been under the impression that running nolva and letro at the same time is not the best idea (as I stated in my original post). Nolvadex has been shown to reduce the blood plasma concentrations of letro by an average of 38%, enough to warrant a decision not to co-administer these drugs.

Now, in this latest research it was shown that blood plasma levels of letrozole WERE NOT diminished with co-administration of nolvadex...IF letrozole was administered directly after nolvadex.

I was very interested in this topic especially after the problem of gyno-reversal during PCT came about and this study was exactly what I was looking for. So although I have not put a tone of research into this and this is only ONE study, it does shed some light on the situation and give us reason to believe running them together, in cases where gyno has appeared during PCT, is not a bad idea.

So I will continue to research but that looks promising to me, so for those of you worrying about letro and nolva during PCT you could give it a try. Also since Letro dose signal LH and FSH production we can be assured it wont negatively affect PCT too much in terms of raising testosterone back up to par.

[guest589745]

cool

[pepperoni]

that's some good info. you must just love tits.

[Testostack]

Should be made it sticky....right?

[marcus300]

bump,,,,good read

[chino777]

excellent thread!

[AnabolicFrenzy]

Thanks allot for this info...I just got my letro today and am gona rum it like u say ..ill keep you guys updated.

[mindongoal]

good post, bro

[GrimmReaper]

good read

[Jet]

Only have less than a month till my Surgery, is that enough time to see if the Letro works in my favor?
I really, really don't want the surgery but if I'm gonna get it I need to get it now since it's free and it'll give me time to heal up before I take my physical test for the fire dept.

[C_Bino]

Only have less than a month till my Surgery, is that enough time to see if the Letro works in my favor?
I really, really don't want the surgery but if I'm gonna get it I need to get it now since it's free and it'll give me time to heal up before I take my physical test for the fire dept.

It may or may not be enough time man. Honestly I cant tell you, I dont wanna get your hopes up or down. Might as well try it, I mean if you are willing to drop that amount of cash on surgery you might as well pick up a bottle of letro for $50.

[locowhiteguy77]

Good post.

[briansauras]

ok so Im trying to reverse my mild gyno I am currently on day 5 of 2.5mg ED of letro and I have also been taking 20mg nolva ED. Since you said nolva reduces the effectivness of letro, should i drop the nolva until i end the letro (pct)?

[briansauras]

ok so Im trying to reverse my mild gyno I am currently on day 5 of 2.5mg ED of letro and I have also been taking 20mg nolva ED. Since you said nolva reduces the effectivness of letro, should i drop the nolva until i end the letro (pct)?

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[C_Bino]

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Until I can read more into co-administration of nolva and letro I would drop the nolva, I see absolutely no need for it while on high doses of letro.

[briansauras]

Until I can read more into co-administration of nolva and letro I would drop the nolva, I see absolutely no need for it while on high doses of letro.

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[Cocklyaev]

I am in a pretty far stage of my gyno because my endocrinologist assured me that it would go away by itself...and then i stumbled onto forums like this...it is from a cycle that was almost 7 months ago...on paper, im fine, but i still have pretty painful and annoying gyno...i still think theres a chance of reversal, even with all the time ive waited...and i wanted to know if this scenario sounds right to the gyno pro's here.... start/load up on letrozole for the recommended minimum of .25mg a day(maybe double on the second week?) for 2 weeks before my cycle...and keep taking during my cycle along with everything else i need to support my body(by the way, in your guys opinion, is it ok to take the letro for all of that combined time, 2 weeks load, 4-6 cycle?).. stop taking the letrozole as soon as my cycle ends...and immediately start pct....with all that said, i hope it will reverse my gyno or in the least prevent any more of it...im am really interested in what the gyno guru's have to say....thanks in advance

[Cocklyaev]

damn good gyno post...wish i could pm Bino to ask him a few specific questions...but im new here, i guess i have to wait to use them technologies

[Killer Bulk]

Can Letro get rid of gyno that has been there for a while.
Also how long do I run it for.

[IBdmfkr]

Have you read this thread yet?

[5ocal]

great post .........

[splash]

Bino or others,

I have run Letro for almost 4 weeks. I got my gyno from not running PCT. I have followed Bino's option # 3 for dosing as I have lowered the dose to start my novalex the lump on the left size is starting to swell at certian times of the day ( right side is not noticeable ).

So Im thinking I need to get another bottle of Letro and continue at .25mg ED and start Novadex at 20mg ED for 1 week then drop it to 10mg ED for a week. And run Nutrex Vitrix (80% saponins) at the same time.

I'm really losing strength and reps in the gym. Really sleepy in the afternoons. And sex drive is taking a hit too.

Stats:
40 yrs old
6'2" 208 lbs. float between 15-17% bf

Only cycles were (3) 4 weeks cycles of M1T about 15-18 months ago.

Does this sound right?

[BIGPHIL]

I have a lump under my left nipple after finishing my M1T cycle..I am a month into PCT currently using clomid and novaldex. I am going to go on letro at the end of my PCT this should be 6 weeks after the lump initally formed.Is this too long a period for the letro to reverse gyno?????? whats the longest one can wait before comencing letro therapy???


ALso whilst on letro what else would be worth taking?

[Skills]

Hi there, My friend just rang me from Thailand and he is showing signs of gyno. Told him about the letro [big thanks for this thread] but he asked does he have to stop his cycle? Said I thought it best to stop as he's only been on a couple of weeks but could someone please confirm this was correct advice or not. Thanks. Skills

[neverenuff21]

I had a little gyno from some tren a while back, Heard from a couple places that winny might help. So I took some winny for 4 weeks at 50 mgs orally a day. Gyno shrunk up A LOT! Any one know why this is?

[Crazyindagym]

C BINO,

I have a question regarding gyno as well--hoping to get some advice. My stats are 215lbs,22yrs old, 2 years lifting,6'0 ft,18% BF. I began a cycle of oxodrol 12 (a higher dosed-12mg which is basically the same product as superdrol). Gyno symptoms flared up on the second day of use. I did not have anything on hand (dumb, I now KNOW) other then an AI called IDS Aromastin Rx. I discontinued the use of oxodrol and one day later stopped using the Aromastin RX as well. About 5-6 days later the symptoms were cleared up completely. I think that the gyno symptoms I experienced were from progesterone as I did not have a large lump but my nipples were puffy,softer,constantly erect, and sensitive to the touch.

There isn't much info out there on oxodrol but plenty on superdrol which beleive me, I have spent HOURS and HOURS sifting through threads on various forums such as this one to find a lot of people giving "advice" without even mentioning the fact that they have had experience with the same product--they simply reitterate what they have read from others; leading to misinformation.

I would like to start another cycle of oxodrol 12 SOON but am nervous of the gyno symptoms flaring up again, I don't need to reverse gyno--just prevent it. I have been told from NUMEROUS people that nolvadex in moderate doses--10/20mg--while ON cycle would prevent gyno symptoms from appearing and let my cycle take its course but yet I read here on your thread that "Nolva will do NOTHING for gyno." Care to comment?

Also, I've read countless threads saying that an AI is ESSENTIAL to have during PCT for gyno prevention but others saying that an AI could help to cause gyno. On the other hand, I've read that Nolva can even cause gyno!?!?
Just hoping that you could clear me up on that...

I was planning on running a 3 week cycle of oxodrol 12--low dosage to assess tolerance as I seem to be freakin' susceptible to anything/everything these days. -------Will look like (please comment or critique)NOTE:I'm taking all the "basic" supporting supplements that should be taken with any PH/steroid use--just don't feel like typing it all out.
1st week: Oxodrol --12mg Nolva 10mg
2nd week: Oxodrol -- 24mg Nolva 20mg
3rd week: Oxodrol -- 24mg Nolva 20mg

PCT: 3 week
Starting higher then tapering down of: Nolva, AX Retain, and Rebount XT

[C_Bino]

C BINO,

I would like to start another cycle of oxodrol 12 SOON but am nervous of the gyno symptoms flaring up again, I don't need to reverse gyno--just prevent it. I have been told from NUMEROUS people that nolvadex in moderate doses--10/20mg--while ON cycle would prevent gyno symptoms from appearing and let my cycle take its course but yet I read here on your thread that "Nolva will do NOTHING for gyno." Care to comment? I said it will do nothing to reverse it. It can be used as an anti-e on cycle to prevent it though.

Also, I've read countless threads saying that an AI is ESSENTIAL to have during PCT for gyno prevention but others saying that an AI could help to cause gyno. On the other hand, I've read that Nolva can even cause gyno!?!?
Just hoping that you could clear me up on that...You dont need an AI in PCT at all, it is done by some but a lot of people just use nolva+clomid. Nolva wont cause gyno, the only way you could get gyno from an AI or SERM is during a large estrogen rebound, dont worry about that.

I was planning on running a 3 week cycle of oxodrol 12--low dosage to assess tolerance as I seem to be freakin' susceptible to anything/everything these days. -------Will look like (please comment or critique)NOTE:I'm taking all the "basic" supporting supplements that should be taken with any PH/steroid use--just don't feel like typing it all out.
1st week: Oxodrol --12mg Nolva 10mg
2nd week: Oxodrol -- 24mg Nolva 20mg
3rd week: Oxodrol -- 24mg Nolva 20mg

PCT: 3 week
Starting higher then tapering down of: Nolva, AX Retain, and Rebount XT

The cycle seems ok, but I dont know much about oxodrol 12, I would just run Test E if I was you instead of using orals. But it seems ok, I would use clomid with your nolva in PCT and forget about these OTC crap products.