Short heavy cyles explained- PB theory

[Black R/T]

Marcus
you should go on all day about priming, write a thread about it. im sure others would like to see the same thing.

[Seattle Junk]

Marcus
you should go on all day about priming, write a thread about it. im sure others would like to see the same thing.

I basically "primed" before my current test e/EQ cycle with DNP and a clean diet. I will no longer go in at a higher bf% when starting a cycle. I agree with priming 100%.

[Seattle Junk]

Maybe I didn't read enough but do you do 1 month on, 1 month off with PCT and repeat? It makes a lot of sense and I will try it with my next cycle for sure. Your HPTA can't get too supressed after 4 hard weeks, can it?

[marcus300]

Maybe I didn't read enough but do you do 1 month on, 1 month off with PCT and repeat? It makes a lot of sense and I will try it with my next cycle for sure. Your HPTA can't get too supressed after 4 hard weeks, can it?

you dont need to go back on a short heavy cycle after pct, normaly you go on a maintenance cycle very mild one, which you still respond to because your system wasnt so supressed and its fully recoverd, alot of pro's do keep rotating the theory but you dont need to unless your at top level.

[goose]

Marcus my main man-

Approx how many 30 day blitz cycles would you perform a year? What`s a good number for you?

goose4..

[marcus300]

Marcus my main man-

Approx how many 30 day blitz cycles would you perform a year? What`s a good number for you?

goose4..

i normaly always go on a maintenance cycle after my pct following a short heavy cycle, then it depends what i am planning on doing weather i go back on a short heavy one or a cutting cycle, but i wouldnt do short heavy cycles back to back, i like to maintain it and prime my body over a long time then attack it again, but i do know ppl who do one after the other. depends what your planning on doing

[hosam4ever]

bump

[alwayson]

are you guys sayin dorian yates came off often and did pct?

i find that hard to believe.

also didn't he do slin? wouldnt that account for his mass?

[alwayson]

if thats the case maybe I can see the wisdom

I wish marcus could IM me a sample cycle so i can see how this works

And i want an idealized hardcore Dorian Yates year long cycle as well!

[europeman]

so for example, i first cut for 8 weeks or so, use a little dnp in the middle to refresh the receptors than do a 4 week heavy cycle like:

day 1-30 500mg sust
day 1-30 100mg d-bol
day 1-30 200mg drol
day 1-30 350mg tren A or E
day 1-30 400mcg igfL3 ED (done it before gained 18 KILO) from 100 to 118 kilo

than come of for a week or 5

than a low dose cycle like:

week 1-7 100 mg prop ed
week 1-7 50 mg winny ed

[marcus300]

Long and short esters can be used in this theory of cycling, the results are the same, normaly the long ester would be used at the beginning of the cycle for 1-15 days then swapped with the short ester for the remaining duration, if you prefer to use short esters all the way through thats fine but long ester can be used on this theory, people shouldnt get confused between this theory and a standard short cycle which as been mentioned last couple of post's.

Remember its the priming+AAS+GH+intense training+ diet what makes this all come together, if you get all the above right huge muscle tissue gains can be obtained.

[europeman]

so you are only using the gh for a month?

[marcus300]

so you are only using the gh for a month?

GH can be used beforehand and afterwards but for the duration of the heavy short cycle it should be run at a high dose, GH as many benefits for running it in the prime and pct!!

[The_Bezerker]

hey marcus, great thread so far, i am interested in what you have to say so far and am very curious about this PB theory and would love to personally talk to you in the upcomming weeks about helping me set up a cycle but right now i have to disagree with the "30 day cycle". I hope you can shed some light on this for me.

the point of a 30 day cycle is to regard inhibition i assume. But heres where i am getting confused

on a cycle that needs adequate doses to support muscluar growth it takes about 2 weeks for the hypothalmus to become inhibiited, so i doesnt produce any LHRH, now the pititary is not inhibited, it is in fact sensitized to LHRH. However after another 2 weeks the pituitary becomes inhibited to the point that if there is any LHRH present it will not produce an LH now this a much stronger type of inhibition one that requires good pct to correct. Basically at this point the inhibition is the same as a 8 week cycle.

so wouldnt it make more sense to run 2 weeks 4 weeks off with a bridge of slin, IGF-1,growth, instead of running a 4 week cycle because you can avoid the inhibition of the pitituary by staying on for 2 weeks

[marcus300]

hey marcus, great thread so far, i am interested in what you have to say so far and am very curious about this PB theory and would love to personally talk to you in the upcomming weeks about helping me set up a cycle but right now i have to disagree with the "30 day cycle". I hope you can shed some light on this for me.

the point of a 30 day cycle is to regard inhibition i assume. But heres where i am getting confused

on a cycle that needs adequate doses to support muscluar growth it takes about 2 weeks for the hypothalmus to become inhibiited, so i doesnt produce any LHRH, now the pititary is not inhibited, it is in fact sensitized to LHRH. However after another 2 weeks the pituitary becomes inhibited to the point that if there is any LHRH present it will not produce an LH now this a much stronger type of inhibition one that requires good pct to correct. Basically at this point the inhibition is the same as a 8 week cycle.

so wouldnt it make more sense to run 2 weeks 4 weeks off with a bridge of slin, IGF-1,growth, instead of running a 4 week cycle because you can avoid the inhibition of the pitituary by staying on for 2 weeks

All i can do is give you the experience of alot of top BB's who have ran this system, ive kept a diary with all the results and if the correct prime and gear is timed right the results are outstanding, recovery from one of these cycles are very easy, thats what every BB has told me and ive experienced it myself, i have know BB's who ran 21 days because they said they didnt really respond after day 21 on a 30 cycle, they had excellent gains but the average prefer 30 days.

Its worth thinking about your 2 wks on 4 off, infact i might just do a study and try it out for myself and see if it works as good as the 30 days, maybe the recovery is alot better!!

[novicenovicen]

On a short burst, heavy aas like you indicate would it be more beneficial for one to use both long and short esters? Or better to stick with just one. (Also this is out of curiosity and my need to obtain knowledge, I am not ready for this yet)

[marcus300]

Bobby D, PB died not Dorian, sorry if it looked confusing,

Novicenoviecen, This is personal preference, i prefer to use long ester at the start and finish on a short, use the one which you respond best to, either stick with one all the way through or use 2 esters long and short,

[BOBBY D]

Bobby D, PB died not Dorian, sorry if it looked confusing,

Novicenoviecen, This is personal preference, i prefer to use long ester at the start and finish on a short, use the one which you respond best to, either stick with one all the way through or use 2 esters long and short,

thanks marcus for clearing it up. what is P.B.'s full name.. i might pick up the books mentioned on the first page.

[needbigguns]

I would not class my self as being very advanced more of intermediate...I can still gain off 500mgs of test stacked with other compounds..the short cycle theory has allways interested me and im keen to try it...My next cycle will be my 3rd but my question is - Allthough i can still gain from 500mg of Test + Other compounds, if i run a heavy dose of test with other compounds in a short cycle would this mean i needed to up my dosage from 500mg the next time i run a normal cycle...

I would be interested to try a short blitz cutting cycle comming up to the summer, my goals would be obviously as much mass as possible but geting as ripped as a mother fu*ker...Could someone PM me a short summer 30 day cycle with those goals in mind

[novicenovicen]

marcus thankyou for the reply. though I would have thought a 1/2 prop 1/2 ethan for the first 2 weeks, then prop only. But thats why your the pro.

[BOBBY D]

marcus, i always wanted to ask this, is that u in the avatar? if so GOD BLESS!!!

[marcus300]

Bobby ive pm you some details you require, thanks for your positive comments

[fitguy]

hey marcus ,can you outline a sample 30day cycle, just curious .. peace bro

[Pinnacle]

hey marcus ,can you outline a sample 30day cycle, just curious .. peace bro

Marcus..PLEASE DO NOT ACCOMODATE THESE KIDS

I also hope you are screening your PM's carefully.I've had quite a few enquiries and I went back and looked at thier posts to find out they've only had ONE cycle under thier belt.Needless to say,their PM's were deleted.
Granted,this is a nice topic of dicussion,but I really don't feel it's safe to keep pushing these short cycles on this board .There are far to many young newbies here,and someone is going to get hurt.
I'm seeing questions pop up in other forums on this board in regard to short cycle.In the lab a kid recently asked how to put 5 compounds in a 1cc solution so he can run a short cycle like you've been tallking about.As much as you try to stress this isn't for newbies,the more it's talked about,the odds are some kid is going to try this type cycle and really fvk himself up.Look at some of the ppl asking in this thread marcus.They don't have but one or 2 cycles under thier belt.Knowledge is fine,but to keep on pushing this type cycling on a newbie board such as this,is rather dangerous IMO...

~Pinnacle~

[marcus300]

PI

Marcus..PLEASE DO NOT ACCOMODATE THESE KIDS

I also hope you are screening your PM's carefully.I've had quite a few enquiries and I went back and looked at thier posts to find out they've only had ONE cycle under thier belt.Needless to say,their PM's were deleted.
Granted,this is a nice topic of dicussion,but I really don't feel it's safe to keep pushing these short cycles on this board .There are far to many young newbies here,and someone is going to get hurt.
I'm seeing questions pop up in other forums on this board in regard to short cycle.In the lab a kid recently asked how to put 5 compounds in a 1cc solution so he can run a short cycle like you've been tallking about.As much as you try to stress this isn't for newbies,the more it's talked about,the odds are some kid is going to try this type cycle and really fvk himself up.Look at some of the ppl asking in this thread marcus.They don't have but one or 2 cycles under thier belt.Knowledge is fine,but to keep on pushing this type cycling on a newbie board such as this,is rather dangerous IMO...

~Pinnacle~

Pinn- I DONT ACCOMODATE ANY KIDS

I do my best to screen all the PM's and only give any kind of info to the ones who are educated enough,ive said it many times on alot of my posts that is not for any newbies, i dont keep pushing anything all i do is give information on this theory, i do understand that some might be stupid enough to even consider it and that is why i DONT post any dosages or cycles.

This is a great topic and very educational to the advance BB who has never used this system, I dont think anyone will get hurt because ive not told anyone to do anything, infact i feel other threads could be far more dangerous than this one, one example would be the thread about staying on for 5-7 years non stop, now i think that could really damage newbies. I state again i do not push anything its information.

The trouble what as happened is recently in the last few post other BB's have mentioned about short cycles for the newbies, which is nothing to do with this thread, i have stated this when it was posted, this is why recently people have been mentioning short cycle for the newbies.

THIS WAY OF CYCLING IS NOT FOR THE NEWBIE , ITS FOR THE ADVANCE BODYBUILDER WHO KNOWS HOW HIS BODY REACTS TO GEAR AND HAS PLENTY OF EXPERIENCE UNDER HIS BELT.


This thread is not pushing this system onto newbies, its for information to advanced bodybuilders,

Pinn, i asure you that i wont give any kind of dosages to any newbie, i thought you knew me better than that

Is that drink still on offer??

[AleX-69]

The trouble what as happened is recently in the last few post other BB's have mentioned about short cycles for the newbies, which is nothing to do with this thread, i have stated this when it was posted, this is why recently people have been mentioning short cycle for the newbies.

Well that is exactly how i feel + i think this was mostly my fault. Some people just can't differentiate between two diffrent approches to the same theory.

Actually i do have 2 more "articles" i would have posted in this thread concering moderate dose short cycles.
But i don't know if it would make matters worse ..
On the other hand I could start a comlpletly new thread (something like "Moderate Dose Burst Cycles - Newbies this is for you" )to clear things up. Whats your opinion on that marcus...?

[marcus300]

Well that is exactly how i feel + i think this was mostly my fault. Some people just can't differentiate between two diffrent approches to the same theory.

Actually i do have 2 more "articles" i would have posted in this thread concering moderate dose short cycles.
But i don't know if it would make matters worse ..
On the other hand I could start a comlpletly new thread (something like "Moderate Dose Burst Cycles - Newbies this is for you" )to clear things up. Whats your opinion on that marcus...?

That would be better to start a new thread regarding your cycle for newbies,
i fully understand what your talking about and i have some good experiences with such short cycle but its nothing to do with this type of cycling,

At least we have cleared the air abit,

regards marcus

[marcus300]

hey marcus ,can you outline a sample 30day cycle, just curious .. peace bro

I will not post dosages or cycles on this thread, its only for the advanced bodybuilder who knows what he is doing

[sp9]

Marcus, Great read. I am glad I finally ran across this. I understand what you are doing, but for me this is too advanced. I can see how this would benefit the dedicated bodybuilder. The average joe could really harm himself, because life events would constantly interupt the type of dedication needed here. I hope people understand there is a difference between spending commited time and strategies to acheive competitive advantages and the novice or intermediate person.

I love to hear these strategies of the serious body builder. Thanks for the info.

sp9

[alwayson]

i'm expecting a PM from you Marcus!

[IBdmfkr]

i'm expecting a PM from you Marcus!

As are probably 20 other ppl. Why don't you guys leave him alone and pick up the two books he mentioned in this thread, why is nobody willing to do any research but rather go off of somebodies word they have never met. Not targeting you "alwayson" as I don't know you, but everyone in general that jumps in excitement when a new theory or idea is introduced by a VET or senior member. If he said take 10grams of Test/wk I bet half of these guys would do it, no questions asked.

[marcus300]

As are probably 20 other ppl. Why don't you guys leave him alone and pick up the two books he mentioned in this thread, why is nobody willing to do any research but rather go off of somebodies word they have never met. Not targeting you "alwayson" as I don't know you, but everyone in general that jumps in excitement when a new theory or idea is introduced by a VET or senior member. If he said take 10grams of Test/wk I bet half of these guys would do it, no questions asked.

wise words,Fair comment Thanks.

This theory is not NEW its been around for years and has been used by many top BB's.

[alwayson]

As are probably 20 other ppl. Why don't you guys leave him alone and pick up the two books he mentioned in this thread, why is nobody willing to do any research but rather go off of somebodies word they have never met. Not targeting you "alwayson" as I don't know you, but everyone in general that jumps in excitement when a new theory or idea is introduced by a VET or senior member. If he said take 10grams of Test/wk I bet half of these guys would do it, no questions asked.

don't worry about it bro...i know you are not targetting me.

I just don't understand this theory and how it applies to me. I consider myself pretty advanced in terms of dosages and my physique.

[Pinnacle]

Here's another case in point.This advice was given tonight to a NEWBIE asking about a tren only cycle.Mind you,a fvkin' newbie was being told to do a short burst,high dose cycle.This is why this topic is very dangerous for this board.

Today, 08:44 PM
groundandpoundpwr21
Member



Fina only is a great cycle and one of the easiest to keep gains off of. Id say if its your first time with fina 50-75mg INJECTION every other day would be fine. Also after reading marcuses burst cycle post hit up fina for 6 weeks with standard




Need I say more?

~Pinnacle~

[AleX-69]

Here's another case in point.This advice was given tonight to a NEWBIE asking about a tren only cycle.Mind you,a fvkin' newbie was being told to do a short burst,high dose cycle.This is why this topic is very dangerous for this board.

Today, 08:44 PM
groundandpoundpwr21
Member



Fina only is a great cycle and one of the easiest to keep gains off of. Id say if its your first time with fina 50-75mg INJECTION every other day would be fine. Also after reading marcuses burst cycle post hit up fina for 6 weeks with standard




Need I say more?

~Pinnacle~

I suppose it might be a bit confusing for some that there are 2 diffrent approches to the same theory within this thread. So some might come to the conclusion that marcus' short heavy burst cycle is also suited for newbies..
Nevertheless I am with you on this one... Maybe you should simply delete this thread b4 someone gets hurt...

[Reprisal 6]

I suppose it might be a bit confusing for some that there are 2 diffrent approches to the same theory within this thread. So some might come to the conclusion that marcus' short heavy burst cycle is also suited for newbies..
Nevertheless I am with you on this one... Maybe you should simply delete this thread b4 someone gets hurt...

This has been one of the more interesting topics in a while. I'd hate to see it go because a few people may get in over their head with these ideas. Quite frankly, this isn't the first time dangerous advise has been circulated from newbie to newbie. I think a fair warning has been given repeatedly.

Either way, thanks to everyone who contributed.

[marcus300]

This has been one of the more interesting topics in a while. I'd hate to see it go because a few people may get in over their head with these ideas. Quite frankly, this isn't the first time dangerous advise has been circulated from newbie to newbie. I think a fair warning has been given repeatedly.

Either way, thanks to everyone who contributed.

Exactly, their as been plenty of warnings that this is not for the newbie, its only for the advanced.

One of the best thing a newbie can take from my thread is the prime before a cycle, this is very important and has huge advantages

[stupidhippo]

My question is.. as it is argued here that these short cycles are better for your lipid profile I would like some clarification.. It is argued that in 4 weeks (or whatever) the profile doesnt go as bad.. what Im thinking is then does the time off give enough time for the lipid profile to normalize and most importantly has anyone taken frequent bloodworks during this kind of cycling. I personally doubt it is enough that ur values have normalized if they then get messed up pretty soon after.. that would mean they would not be normal for most of the time. Many ppl here seem to think that if they are on for a long time and then they get off and have bloodwork done, and it comes back ok, then they are set to go another cycle..

[marcus300]

My question is.. as it is argued here that these short cycles are better for your lipid profile I would like some clarification.. It is argued that in 4 weeks (or whatever) the profile doesnt go as bad.. what Im thinking is then does the time off give enough time for the lipid profile to normalize and most importantly has anyone taken frequent bloodworks during this kind of cycling. I personally doubt it is enough that ur values have normalized if they then get messed up pretty soon after.. that would mean they would not be normal for most of the time. Many ppl here seem to think that if they are on for a long time and then they get off and have bloodwork done, and it comes back ok, then they are set to go another cycle..

This type of short cycle theory is better on your system, alot of my studies have had their blood work done and they all said that they recovered quicker than the cycles they were doing beforehand, the damage accours when you stay on gear to long, your body gets use to the hormones and shuts itself down and recovery is very hard work, maybe not when your younger as much but as you get older and try to come off the recovery is really hard and usually HRT comes sooner than expected or you end up going back on, then you have to increase the dose to try and get new muscle growth.i personaly stay on pct until ive fully recovered, no matter what time scale it is.

If your prime the body correctly and get the gear in and out in a short period then its far better on your system, and before your body can respond with side effects your off and recovering, i understand people will recover at different rates but in most they recover alot quicker and better, am not saying go straight back on a cycle when your blood work is correct, i would rather prime my body over a long time then repeat a cycle but normaly the one that follows the heavy short cycle is a mild one, i do know BB's who go straight back on after a heavy cycle when there blood work is fine but these BB's are competeing at a high class and its their disission.

All i can say is if your advance enough and have plenty of expeirence in gear and training give one a go and see if they are for you, most people are very stunned with the results of how much new muscle tissue can be obtained if the correct tools are applied.

Regards marcus

[vitor]

This type of short cycle theory is better on your system, alot of my studies have had their blood work done and they all said that they recovered quicker than the cycles they were doing beforehand, the damage accours when you stay on gear to long, your body gets use to the hormones and shuts itself down and recovery is very hard work, maybe not when your younger as much but as you get older and try to come off the recovery is really hard and usually HRT comes sooner than expected or you end up going back on, then you have to increase the dose to try and get new muscle growth.i personaly stay on pct until ive fully recovered, no matter what time scale it is.

If your prime the body correctly and get the gear in and out in a short period then its far better on your system, and before your body can respond with side effects your off and recovering, i understand people will recover at different rates but in most they recover alot quicker and better, am not saying go straight back on a cycle when your blood work is correct, i would rather prime my body over a long time then repeat a cycle but normaly the one that follows the heavy short cycle is a mild one, i do know BB's who go straight back on after a heavy cycle when there blood work is fine but these BB's are competeing at a high class and its their disission.

All i can say is if your advance enough and have plenty of expeirence in gear and training give one a go and see if they are for you, most people are very stunned with the results of how much new muscle tissue can be obtained if the correct tools are applied.

Regards marcus

Greate post!

What do you think of the 2on 4off theory. Yust read a case study with "Bill Roberts", (hes client seemed to have make more progress with only 4 weeks on,than he ever could achieved "natrually".)

I guess the benefit here would be that you recover HPTA very quikly.....