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You always hear of storys like this when AAS are involved,We have no idea what else he was taking or if he used orals within the cycle, which is something what you DONT do, yes this way of cycling is only for the advanced like alot of post's state this all the way through this thread.Originally Posted by montysimon
If your advanced BB you know how to look after yourself health wise while doing such a cycle, if you dont this cycling shouldnt be run.
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have'nt followed this thread in a while so i did'nt go through all the pages(sorry) but i was talking about it with some bb'ers, and marcus and i talked about dosages in PM, and they putted questions about the level of toxity from the amount of BA you get in your body each day during the cycle.
anybody???
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All i can give is some feedback on the personal studies ive done and research over the last few years Rodge.
I've lost count on how many BB's have used this system and have sent me the results, but i can honestly say i havent heard of anyone having problems with toxity within the body, ive had an handfull of top BB's who have had their blood tests done before/durring/after this type of cycling and all have come back with no major problems, am not saying this will happen to everybody there are exceptions to everything but the majority feel that they are less prone to any kind of side effects because of the time on the cycle.
Normaly the cycles only last between 20-30 days at a time so every precaution can be looked at for such a short period of time, suppose the best way round this is for the individual to have blood tests before/durring/after and can assess the situration and react accordingly to the results.
This type of cycling is and looks very aggressive but you have to look at the lenght of time you are on for, the body can withstand alot of punishment before it reacts with sides effects/problems, but remember its only for a short period of time and before you know it your off the cycle recovering and maintaining the gains.
This is why i always advice BB's not to use ORALS within the cycle, the orals can cause problems ive seen this happen afew times when certain BB's who have tried using Orals, also this type of cycling isnt just about the AAS, its also the training/diet/priming and dedication what makes this cycling work so well.
Its only for the advanced BB who knows how to look after himself and watch out for any side effects so he can react accordingly, ive tried this way many times and i can honestly say that i have had less sides effect in everyway and produced more keepable gains than any other way of cycling ive done, i feel staying on a cycle for weeks on end after the gains have slowed down will cause and does cause problems within the body, and when you come off trying to keep hold of what you have gain seems an impossible task and coasting/bridging/HRT seems the only option.
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I havent read all of this thread so I apologize if this has been mentioned.
Wouldnt HCG run throughout these short/sharp cycles by essential. The compounds and dosages will almost certainly lead to total testicular inhibition/shutdown. So, as their short, 20-30 days, why not use HCG and make recovery easier and reduce/prevent HPTA shutdown?
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With recovery and shuting down everybody reacts differently, you use what ever way is best for you to bounce back, majority off BB's say its alot quicker and less tasking to recover than shuting down your system for long periods of time, Use what ever methods are best for yourself, its all about knowing your own body and how it has responded in previous cycles.
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True.
But if your going to be shutdown for a matter of days (20-30), why not make it essential to use HCG as your going to be shutdown for such a small amount of time?
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Yes of course swifto what ever methods works use it, but not everyone does shut down with this way of cycling, alot are fine because they havent been on long enough even with the high dosages.
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Yeah I understand. I havent done any cycles with this type of method as I'm only on my 2nd cycle and still consider myself as a beginner in the AS world. But, its deffinitely something I may consider for future cycles and I may try both ways, with/wighout HCG.
Bump for a good informative post.
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I'd say try it both ways swifto. Some get shutdown more than others. Ex. I've been on for 12wks and coming off without any problems or atrophy.
It's hard to put a "must" on any kind of cycle theory.
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Hi marcus just one question.
after casing a anabolic state via the priming efect/diet can i just up my food/calaorie intake, train natraly without A.S and still make good gains as a natral/non competitive bodybuilder?
i dont use anabolic steroids exepet 0.66iu of GH and 4.0 grain tyroid extract
and thats from my HRT as you can tell from the very low dose.
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Yes you can incorporate the priming with anykind of training/bodybuilding, it doesnt have to be with just a short cycle, any kind of cycling would benefit from such practise or training.
Priming is just one tool to building a body, but when you incorporate all the tools the results are and would be far greater.
Marcus
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Advanced Chemical Warfare
An Interview With Paul Borresen
By Nelson Montana
The following interview is just that, an interview. We included it because we find it interesting that anyone would use such horrendously large amounts of drugs (okay, so we're sort of like the people who pull over to watch the aftermath of a car accident). In no way do we advocate such dosages, and if you were to ask each of us here at Testosterone individually, we'd probably disagree with a lot of what Paul Borresen says about steroids. Nevertheless, what he has to say makes for damn interesting reading.
TC and I got together last week and were throwing around some ideas for keeping Testosterone on the cutting edge of bodybuilding information. We spoke of upcoming articles, new training techniques, and discussed research on state-of-the-art supplements, as well as continual studies on existing products. It was easy to examine the strong points that exist within the magazine. But after patting ourselves on the back for a while, it was time to take a cold, hard look at what could be made better.
At one point, TC posed three questions. One, "Who would you be most interested in interviewing?" Two, "If there was one person you would like to see contributing to Testosterone, who would it be?" And three, "Who is the most over-the-edge, balls-to-the-wall individual you know of that you think our readers would like to hear from?" Without hesitation, I replied, "I can answer all three of those questions with the same name?Paul Borresen."
To call renegade pharmacologist Paul Borresen an authority on drug usage is an enormous understatement. When it comes to firsthand experience, Paul may very well be the authority! I can't think of too many people who have pushed the pharmacological envelope as far as Paul. Yet, what makes this remarkable man so different than many of the pro bodybuilders who merely stay on whatever gear they can get for as long as they can get it, Paul is one of the most knowledgeable people around in the science of anabolic steroids.
University trained, Paul received his bachelor's degree in biochemistry. He graduated with first-class honors. He then went on to get his master's degree in pharmacology, specializing in the study of receptor sites and their function. He's had his work published in medical journals throughout the world, written several books, and had over 200 articles appear in magazines on the various aspects of steroid use and their application to bodybuilding. When some of the top professionals need advice on how to arrange their stacks and cycles for a major show, they call Paul. That list of top professionals?according to Paul?even includes a fellow by the name of Dorian Yates.
Some people have practical knowledge. Some people have the schooling. Paul Borresen has both, not to mention a 285-pound physique that doesn't stray far from around 8% body fat! How many of today's "gurus" do you know that can make the same claim?
If you're opposed to the radical usage of performance-enhancement drugs, then move on?get the heck out of here. This article isn't for you. For those of you with a more daring nature who'd like to learn from this particular master, you may proceed?with caution.
Class is now in session.
NM: First, Paul, how are you feeling? I heard that you suffered an accident recently.
PB: Yes, I took a nasty fall and was laid up for four-and-a-half months. It required major surgery. For a long time, I was in a full body brace. While in the hospital, I went down to 170 pounds! I recovered quickly but, of course, I was receiving glutamine, Deca, and growth hormone! It was no problem getting it into the hospital. Since then, I've entered some area contests and won, but my goal is to come back from having a broken back and win the Nationals.
NM: Any innovative substances that you've been experimenting with?
PB: Whenever there's anything new, I'll try it! You know of the new oils used to inflate a muscle, like Synthol? Well, I've put together a combination of oils in my lab that contains nandrolone, benzyl alcohol, and silica gel. It provides a permanent growth due to the fact that the silica coats the muscle fibers. But it also gives you 300 milligrams of gear per milliliter. It's really amazing, but it can be overdone, as in the case of Ernie Taylor. Have you seen his triceps?
NM: Of course. They're so freaky, they look "fake."
PB: They don't look right. That's an example of an overdone local effect. As far as anything else new, I've been experimenting with prostaglandins since '95. When I won the Northwest Championship, I had six milliliters of Cavajet, which is something that's used to get an erection. But I didn't need it there, so I put it in my arms and shoulders! I've been working with people using Prostaglandins before going to bed at night, and we've seen phenomenal results. They can also be used to provide "local" enlargement. I use it to smooth out my symmetry.
NM: Were there any side effects?
PB: I don't feel that the claims of bad side effects are all that genuine. If you look at the risks and side effects of pharmacology as a whole, prostaglandins fall pretty low down on the list.
NM: What's the typical drug regime of some of the people you coach?
PB: I'm coaching people who use two xxxxxx milligrams of gear each day. They're very big. If you're going to take that level of anabolics, I believe in very short courses?thirty days, at the most, before your body realizes what happened. I'm a firm believer that receptor sites up-regulate. When you do about 5000 milligrams a week, they respond unbelievably. People are going up a pound a day for 18 days straight.
NM: So by using super-physiologic dosages and keeping cycles short, you won't need to increase the dosages with each successive cycle?
PB: You should need less! It's like training. A newcomer does 16 sets and makes gains. The more advanced someone is, the less amount of sets they need to do. I only do about four or five sets. I'm helping Ian Harrison prepare for the Arnold, and he needs even fewer sets per workout.
NM: How long of a wait do you recommend before starting another course?
PB: At least 15 days, which comes to 21 days after your last shot. But if you wait too much longer than three weeks, you're going backwards in your progress. You'll spend time "making up" for what you've lost, even if you use anti-catabolics.
NM: Tell me a little about your company. How did it get started?
PB: A few years back, my wife and I started a company called Chemical Nutrition. Unfortunately, we took on a partner of dubious integrity. It got so bad that he threatened to put me in a body bag! I ended that relationship and started Biohazard. We've been growing very quickly in the UK, and I'm glad to say that my ex-partner's business is declining badly. I don't follow a business "strategy." I focus on culture. I want to make the best products. I won't bullshit anyone or let anyone work for me who isn't honest. I have an MBA degree, and my business philosophy is not to build an empire; rather, we want to build many castles. I want to make money, but I have to look at myself in the mirror every day. I have to respect what I see.
NM: What is the most unique Biohazard product?
PB: We have something called Ravenger 5, which is a special grade of protein powder. It has the exact amino acid make-up, in proprietary order, of human muscle?the only product of its kind. It took a lot of work getting the proper ratios required. We finally came up with a combination of whey, egg albumin, soy isolate, and wheat gluten. The glutamine is not a free form because protein works best in a natural peptide chain. I'm not a big fan of aminos in free form.
NM: You've been outspoken in the past about professional bodybuilders. You made some statements recently concerning Paul Dillett...
PB: I have nothing personal against him. He doesn't train all that hard. He's very lazy. I don't like it when bodybuilders rely on massive amounts of gear and don't train correctly or look after their health. Everyone I work with uses high androgens, and we take certain precautions. I have them all on glycerin. It reduces water and blood pressure. It's an indigestible carb, which causes water to be drawn from the surrounding tissues like the skin. It also increases vascularity.
NM: What is your current stack?
PB: For the first ten days, I take xxxx mg of Sustanon a day. Days 11 to 20, I take xxxx mg of Deca, xxxx mg of Primobolan, and xxxx mg of test propionate a day. Days 21 to 30, I do xxxx mg of propionate, xxxx mg of Winstrol, and four of my Triple X capsules, which are a homemade combination of Dinatropinol, T3, and oral insulin. I also take a xxxx-IU shot of insulin every time I eat a meal.
NM: Gee, is that all?
PB: That's what it takes. I want to make the most massive gains possible. I've gained 94 pounds in the last five months. Oh, I almost forgot?I also use growth hormone four days at a time, which is the way a child produces it, in four-day spurts. It doesn't work as well if you stay on it all the time. Consistent use suppresses your natural GH secretion, plus you build up a tolerance to its effects. I use 12 IUs of GH each day I use it.
NM: No cycling down the dosages of the steroid stack?
PB: No, I just stop. I don't feel that there's much benefit from cycling down. By distancing the shots and the half-life of the drugs, a "cycle down" occurs naturally. I want to clean out as soon as possible. When people stick in low levels of gear in order to "bridge," they're not clearing anything.
NM: Any anti-estrogens?
PB: Aminoglutathiamide is terrific when used the last ten days before a show. It makes you freaky hard. It's a pretty risky drug, however. The ACTH [Adrenal Corticol Tropic Hormone] kickback can create a bigger problem than what you started with. It's a gamble. I use Tamoxifen, 40 mg a day before bed, if I start to get too puffy.
NM: I noticed that you don't use any orals.
PB: For what I use, it wouldn't be healthy. I would hate to take 2,000 mg of 2-mg Anavar tablets!
NM: Definitely not practical. No veterinarian steroids?
PB: No. One thing I've learned from my studies in pharmacology is that mammalian physiology may be similar, but there are species differences. A veterinarian drug is developed through veterinarian research by companies that design it for animals. There aren't any studies of their effectiveness in humans. You need much higher doses than the proper human equivalent. A dog's testosterone would work in a human, just not as effectively. Since I can't control what's compatible and what isn't, I won't use them.
NM: Is there really any way of detecting counterfeits?
PB: It's so easy to fake the ampoules and boxes. Whenever you see an expos? of what is fake and how a "real" steroid should look, the counterfeiters just copy the "real" one. There are a few tricks. For example, Primo shouldn't fall out when you turn the box upside down.
NM: Unless the dealer has pulled the vial out a few times.
PB: That's a good point. In that case, it could be real, but you'd think it was fake. There's just no way of knowing. Some guys over here copied the pink pentagon Thai D-bol and put 5 mg of clenbuterol in them.
NM: Five milligrams?! My God, did anyone die?
PB: There were nine reported deaths. I took one, and went into the hospital.
NM: What's your present association with Dorian Yates?
PB: I take a phone call from Dorian every couple of weeks about technical matters. He'll usually have me come down to his house and ask me about various drugs. I showed him how to use growth hormone and IGF. I helped him with his DNP usage for his last Olympia show. I can honestly say that DNP can produce a condition that's unbelievable, but you've got to get it right! I find it horrendous. My temperature went up to 103 degrees. I was sick, and it felt like I was on fire.
NM: So in the future, will you just stick to using clen?
PB: No, I'd still use the DNP. I'll just suffer. It can make you lose five pounds of fat in a week. My waist is 31 inches. That's also one benefit of being in the hospital. I had to have two ribs removed, which made my waist slimmer. Cher had a similar surgical procedure done on her to produce a longer torso look. I love it!
NM: What is the best steroid, in your opinion?
PB: If I had to recommend just one, I'd have to say that Deca has the best risk to benefit ratio. But my absolute favorite drug is Primobolan.
NM: I love Primo, too. People think it's weak because it doesn't produce water weight. Deca, on the other hand, bloats me as much as straight testosterone.
PB: You're telling me! Deca is very bloating. Not all tests cause as much water retention. But some people seem to go for that bloat, don't they? They equate it with more size.
NM: What drugs don't you like?
PB: I don't like testosterone cypionate. It's a very raw drug. It also makes you depressed. Anadrol is a shit drug. The fact that it's a 50-mg tablet tells you how weak it is.
NM: I've often made that same point, but it's amazing how many people don't "get" it. The low-dosed drugs, like Winstrol, build the most muscle.
PB: Winstrol is a very potent tissue-building drug in the truest sense! As far as effectiveness in building muscle, 50 mg of Winny tabs will blow 50 mg of Anadrol right out of the water!
NM: Thank you! It's nice to know I'm not alone in that evaluation.
PB: It's so obvious. Anadrol is designed to correct anemia. It builds red blood cells. It does not build muscle. It may help at the end of a course to "fill up" on blood, which may help you to hold on to the gained weight. It's a poor man's EPO [erythropoietin]. If I wanted to make a lot of money, I'd design a drug and call it Super-bol 5,000,000! Everyone will think it's really strong!
People have so much of this stuff wrong. They think that Primo's weak, when it's actually very strong. They say that Anadrol is powerful, when it's actually very weak. Cypionate is more popular than enanthate, but the enanthate is terrific and cyp is crap. They draw conclusions without really understanding basic pharmacology. People should be using the finer, sophisticated drugs like Primo and Winstrol, not cypionates and the veterinarian products. It's so absurd!
NM: Does it make sense not to stack too many different steroids?
PB: All steroids compete with each other. That's why I say to take Sus for ten days, then Deca for ten days, and so on. Proviron is thought to be an anti-estrogen, but it's really an anti-androgen. Clomid is an underrated anti-estrogen.
NM: How does Clomid differ from Cyclofenil?
PB: Cyclofenil is a weak estrogen. Even if it competes for estrogen sites, some might get through. Clomid removes the estrogen, so it's much more effective.
NM: Who's the most outrageous steroid abuser you've ever known?
PB: I'd love to say, but I can't.
NM: You don't have to name names.
PB: Okay, the craziest thing that I've ever seen was done by a British pro. He takes a 100-ml bottle and sticks whatever he can get into it, no matter what. Deca, cyp, Equipoise, anything! He'll then take a five-ml shot of that every three hours.
NM: Wow!
PB: He'll also put in ten mg of propionate every day into specific body parts. He doesn't consider that a part of his stack because it's "locating." He does a total of at least 60 shots a day.
NM: That's mind-boggling. How does he look?
PB: Pretty ****ing awesome!
NM: No doubt! Paul, are there any last comments that you'd like to make?
PB: I just want to be able to provide accurate information and sell products that I know are effective. My motto is, "Ignorance kills?let's kill ignorance." I honestly believe that if we give the people the right information, we'll build this sport. There are a lot of assholes with too much power in our sport!
NM: I agree. We're doing what we can on this end. I hope that you'll be able to be a regular contributor to Testosterone. Your expertise is invaluable, and I'm sure that our readers will enjoy what you have to say.
PB: I'd love to write for you guys, and providing honest information to people who care is the right reason for doing so.
NM: Paul, I know that there's still so much we could talk about. Let's do this again sometime.
PB: That'd be great.
Whew! Did anybody out there get hurt? I'm sure that I don't have to offer a disclaimer to the drug dosages that Paul has advocated. This is obviously for the most advanced bodybuilder with extensive experience in chemical assistance. Nevertheless, Paul's comprehension of the subject is unquestionably vast, and I'm sure that he's left more than a few people with their heads spinning.
Class dismissed.
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Id delete the dose what is mentioned, just in case goose.
Marcus
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This is one of the best threads ever,It is an adult site....I can see your point of view marcus..but this is not the paul and british way...education is the way the way forward.I got much love and repect for you,we can`t agree on
everything.You have cleary stated the dangers and the Precautions of this
ideology of Cycling,but I guess your right..
goose...
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Thanks for the compliment goose,
I know its an adult site but there are alot of newbies use this site also and i think mentioning such aggressive dosages wouldnt be good for them.
Speak soon goose.
Marcus
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Nice find Goose, Enjoyed the read.
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Proviron is thought to be an anti-estrogen, but it's really an anti-androgen. .
huh?
i was waiting for this guy to explain this statement - but he never did
can anyone explain?
i'm using proviron now and would hate to think it is lessening the effect of my androgens
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It`s quite an interesting idea,remember this is quite dated and his ideas are very advanced,the idea I get is a pro would not use Proviron as an anti E under his guidance, suggesting Proviron is best used for PCT,which makes perfect sence.
goose...
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it doesnt make perfect sense to me
ok i'm no expert but from what ive read - proviron increases the effectiveness of testosterone - reduces water retention completely eliminates estrogen, increases hardness of muscles and aids in fat loss
why would u not wand that as part of your cycle?
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Ive seen both studies regarding this issue about proviron, PB always adviced me not to use it within a cycle, but alot of others disagreed with him, so i took it upon myself to do my own research. I found i responded better without it durring a cycle and it was a very valuable tool to have in pct.
Ive tried both ways many times and for ME the benefits are far greater to use proviron in pct than within a cycle, many others would disagree and thats fine i wouldnt argue with them, because if its works for them who is anybody to say it doesnt. This is the trouble with studies regarding anything to do with the body and chemicals, there are many conflicting ones around i think the best thing to do is try both ways and go with the one what works for you.
Proviron is an amazing compound without doubt,i find it an assett to have it and run it in pct, to many benefits for it not to be used in my opinion, we all get information from somewhere regarding compounds but when there is some disagreement best bet is to try both ways and record the results and do what works best for you.
Marcus
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It does not make sense to me either. Proviron binds to SHBG, which will free up more Testosterone to be available for muscle grow.
Proviron an anti-androgen??? Typo mistake for sure.
Proviron has a structure similar to DHT, which is of a powerful androgen. Proviron is also used in medicine for men who are impotent, because androgens and DHT plays a vital part in sex-drive.
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An extremely interesting post marcus,I have heard of this concept a few times as `Proviron an anti-androgen` but you would only notice the difference if your a very advanced BB.I do remember an article in ... Anabolic Insider which wrote about this idea...will try and find..This is my take on Proviron it is not Neccary as your anti E,you have other great drugs that do the job better,nothing competes with Proviron as a libido aid in PCT that does not effect your HPTA.
goose..
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have u found that study yet goose? i know a few people (including myself ) that would like to read it
congrats on becoming a vet by the way
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Marcus what would proper dosage/duration be for proviron during PCT and would it be good to run it along side aromasin IYO.
Also with short burst cycles is PCT recommended for the same duration as a 10-12wk cycle?
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I feel this is an indivdual thing again but i use 50-75mg ED, the duration depends on when i feel ive recovered, but normaly its alot faster than the normal cycles of 10-12wks.
Recovery is alot faster with shorter cycles , ive found this even with short light and short heavy its just alot easier and quicker to bounce back and that means holding onto the gains more.If all the correct things are in place with a short cycles (compounds/prime/training/diet) the gains are as good or even better than the long ones and maintance is easier.
Marcus
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Marcus, you are the ****ing man! i know there is no way i could have gained this much weight this quickly if i hadnt listened to your priming theory. i was about 175lbs when i read your thread for the first time. i figured id try it. i dropped down to 168lbs by the start of my cylce and lost another 3 lbs over the next 3 days. im on day 10 of a prop and npp cycle (log on it in the members cycle results) and ive already made it to 176lbs! thats 11lbs in like 7 or 8 days!
im convinced, thanks bro
AR VET
Now a degree is required for someone to be listened to that has a wealth of knowledge. Nothing should be praised or dismissed but rather studied and experimented with to see what fits. JMO.
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Well the fact is, the guy was a total fraud. He had no real degrees, never worked with Dorian Yates and didn't live up to any of his stats. That ******** interview was pulled because he turned out to be a fake. I mean I bet his theory is probably not horrible, but i wouldn't follow it to a t or anything.
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It seems to me you have no idea how things operate at a top level in bodybuilding otherwise you could see through the smoke,before you start shouting daft comments you should do full research on the subject, but i will try to explain it abit better for you.
Paul did have a bachelor's degree in biochemistry he graduated with first class honours, he then went on to get his master's degree in pharmaclogy specializing in the study of receptor sites and their function, his work as been published in medical journals throughout the world and has had articles appear in over 200 magazines on various aspects of steriod use and their application to bodybuilders, he also transform the world aids victims and how we can substain life longer with steriod applications,top pro's ask PB for advice on stacks and cycles just to name one was DY who was under PB arm durring his Olympia battles.
Paul has also published many Books and videos which explain his methods, the short heavy cycles he use to comment on are only for the advanced BB and not for anyone who hasnt got a good insight into AAS and how their body responds to certain compounds, So your completely right in saying you shouldnt follow his methods regarding short heavy cycling, maybe you should look at just the normal way of short cycling and read the whole thread, you will get a far better picture.
i also know that Dorian said in interviews that he had nothing to do with PB or his theorys, as Dorian was getting to a top level he was pushed to say these things because of his sponsers, he still was in contact with him for years after such allegation, people at the top cant be shown to be in contact with such people who avocate drug use, this is why there were certain people making false statements about Paul, Paul did make mistakes he was very open with his AAS use with the top BB's and they didnt like it being so public.
You can believe whatever you want about Paul but ive studied short cycles weather they are light or heavy and ive have research going back over years, ive tried every kind of cycling and i am a firm believer in short cycles of anykind, if the correct things are in place the muscle growth is amazing,weather you believe Paul to be any good or not that doesnt mean his theory behind short cycling doesnt work, there have been many Top BB who have stated when they have retired that they did this type of cycling.
Marcus
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Yah, that's what I said before. Maybe he is a hoax, maybe he's not, but his method might be valid and good so it could not really matter either way. Also, doesn't L. Rea have a lot of similar ideas regarding short cycles?
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Yes L Rea does comment on short cycles, they are more for the average user tho. Like ive stated you can believe what ever you want regarding PB, i know personaly what he has done and achieved.
Marcus
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Marcus, if you could name ONE of paul's books, which one would it be?
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Anabolic Edge,
The Stack,
The Big Secret,
The governor (mag)
Testosterone magazine,
And many videos.
Marcus
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An interview with paul.....by Alex...
AE: What's going to be the next big revelation is sports pharmacology for bodybuilders?
PB: Histamine suppression maybe. I don't know if it's a big revelation, but it's an exciting new development. Asking me the "big revelation" is like asking me the cure for cancer (laughing). This is one of the most interesting new things I know of. I also think short duration big doses of gear occasionally is another new development. But whenever you've got a new development, people certainly do try to shoot you down, don't they? But it is going on and it does work at the right times.
AE: Let's explore histamine suppression for a moment. How does this work?
PB: Well, I'm a very strong believer that allergies are the primary reason why we don't grow or why we age. Because our bodies become more and more unable to recognize itself, or starts to think itself is an enemy. A lot of diseases like senility are examples of this, as we get older we start to attack our own brain, Graves disease where we attack our own endocrine system, these diseases develop as we get older and develop as our bodies start to slip. That's really why we age.
I always look at what's stopping this person from growing, not what will make this person grow. The first most important thing for any bodybuilder is to have a cytotoxic test to find out every food he's allergic to and remove it. That's just simple logic. Allergies occur in times of excess. Bodybuilders live for excess, we force-feed, we overeat, we create more of these reactions in our bodies. The mechanism is histamine, the body creates histamine in an allergic response to try to fight any change in the body. People with allergic reactions take anti-histamines, or histamine suppression. Now, I'm saying that histamine is a control, it's something that holds us back as bodybuilders. It's a defense mechanism that can go wrong. So when you push the gear up or when you push the food up, I find that if you do a cytotoxic test on someone when they're dieting and then you do one on them when they're force feeding they'll end up allergic to a whole host of things when they're force feeding. So I would then use histamine suppression. At times of excess, when you're pushing the course, when you're eating hard, when you're trying to grow, you hit a sticking point, by incorporating an anti-histamine you'll find that growth comes easier.
AE: That's interesting.
PB: It works. But I'm sure when this interview goes out, I'm sure everyone will tell me how suicidal it is. You have an idea, and it automatically gets attacked. And I'm not always right. However, when I am right, everyone else had the idea first. That's why I like people like Dan Duchaine, I admire the guy because he speaks his mind. And he's not always right, but he's been right enough times that he deserves a lot of credit. He thought of things like DNP, he came up with the idea of using Cytradren, not me. I'd never even heard of it until one day I saw it in one of his articles and I decided to try it out on my people. You know, I coach a lot of people, and if someone says something works, I see if it works. I often try it out on myself first, or I've got a bodybuilder that I'll go to and say to him, "I don't know if this stuff works, do you want to try it with me?" And you'd be surprised how many people are out there just stupid enough to say yes! (laughing)
AE: Dan also knows when to admit that he's wrong. [Editors note: Remember, when this interview was conducted, Dan Duchaine was still alive]
PB: He does, and I like that. How can he be right all the time, how can anyone? But people seem to forget when he's right and remember when he's wrong. That's not fair, that's not seeing the whole picture and the contributions he's made. If I ever made a contribution in my life to bodybuilding as much as the Underground Steroid Handbook made, that is the biggest single contribution to our sport because it brought knowledge to everyday people. All of a sudden it wasn't a few elite people in the world that knew what to do, everyone did!
AE: I know you've worked with a lot of elite level bodybuilders. Generally what kind of dosages have you seen being used at that level?
PB: I get accused of naming names all the time, but that's basically a case of people naming names on my behalf. I never coached Dorian, he used to phone me up and ask for my advice, but I never coached him. I certainly never coached Ernie [Taylor] either, or Lee Priest for that matter. I met Lee for the first time at my seminar, he did me the honor of turning up. But, I see some individuals, top amateurs and pros, using very high dosages for a long time. And it concerns me, because whether people like it or not, I'm doing a research study with the University of Glamorgan here in the UK. You'd better get the name of that University right! Anyway, I'm working with a Professor Bruce Davis, he's heading up the team with myself, and we are simply taking subjects than have been on steroids for 20 years or more and looking at them, echogram, cardiogram, testing their fitness, blood tests, everything. It takes a full day for the protocol.
AE: What are you finding?
PB: The first 14 people we looked at had cardiac damage. Now that frightened the shit out of me. I can quote this because this is accurate and anyone can check this with Glamorgan, 4 of the subject are probably going to need operations within the next 10 years. Now I did not expect the damage to come out in the cardiac area, I expected it to come out in the liver and the kidneys. Now we're going to produce a paper and I was expecting it to prove that after 20 years of steroid use, everyone was alright. And that isn't the case. After 20 years, 50% of the people were perfectly health, 40% had damage that was repairable, and 10% had irreversible cardiac damage. That's the results so far. That's a bit scary, isn't it?
AE: It is.
PB: There's no arguing it either. I know lots of bodybuilders, and I'll take the people I talk to or coach and ask them if they'd like to go along. They get a complete check over, blood test for free. One of the members of my staff, Bill Bingham, he's only 22, and he has elevated cardiac enzyme at age 22. He's now come off everything under my advice. In 10 years time, he would have been one of those 10%. We've got a 27-year old who will need a heart bypass operation before he's 30. It frightened the life out of me because it's hardcore evidence. It's the first quality research into this that I know about.
AE: How many subjects have been tested so far?
PB: I've only seen the results from 30 subjects, they've actually tested more. The full study will be 200 subjects by the time the paper is written.
AE: When do you expect that to be out?
PB: The paper should be out in 16 weeks. I don't want thousands of people emailing the University of Glamorgan asking for this reseach, but as a magazine you could. They'd happily provide it to you. They'll happily tell you about it. I don't think they'll want to go into exacting details with you because as scientists they need to complete the study, but they will at least confirm the study is ongoing and that the indications are not what we expected. We actually intended to prove that anabolic steroid use was perfectly healthy and all this cardiac stuff has come up. [Editors note: After I transcribed this portion of the tape, I contacted the University to inquire about the test Paul is referring too. Nothing has been confirmed as of yet]
AE: I look forward to seeing that study. Let's talk about training and nutrition for a bit, I don't believe anyone that interviews you ever takes the time to get your views on those subjects. They always focus on drugs with you.
PB: They always do when I get interviewed, and it quite honestly annoys me. Drugs are not really what matters, they're not everything are they.
AE: Well, you know why that is, most people would rather read about drugs.
PB: I don't know about the people reading the magazines, but publishers definitely like the more controversial stuff.
AE: For training, I know you really advocate pre-exhaustion and rest-pause style systems. What are the advantages of training in this fashion?
PB: I go back to the science. Were trying to make muscle fibers thicker to make our bodies bigger. Right? That's what we're doing. The body recruits muscle fibers, and this is in the scientific literature for everyone to see, in reverse order. It recruits the small ones first, they're shorter and stronger. So when we train a 6 to 8 rep set, we only train about 30% of our fibers, and these are going to be the shortest and smallest ones. Therefore, even if we doubled their thickness, we're not going to see huge increases in size. We need to get down to the big, thick, weak fibers, which are only worked in the latter stages of a set or workout. So, it's pure science. When I, or you, are doing a set, we're initially only using the small, strong fibers. As you get weaker, you start to bring into play the larger fibers. So, as you put the weight down and pick another weight up, you're getting deeper. The reason why I like drop-setting, is because by the time you get down to the bar, or using no weight at all, that's when the weakest fibers in your body, which happen to be the largest, are getting hit. And therefore, you're gaining the most size. You have to work down through the muscle fibers, I actually take a workout as a way to recruit all the muscle fibers in a given area, not as an objective to lift weight. The weights immaterial, I don't care if I have to lift egg boxes to get big, I simply want to get big.
AE: One of the biggest problems I face is convincing people that the weights they use are not as important as the fashion in which they are lifting and the intensity while doing so.
PB: As you know, I have a back injury, I can no longer do a 400-500 lb bench press. So, I'll do 50-60 reps on flyes, perhaps a triple-drop set of flyes, and then do a 200-300 lb bench press. By then, I'm tired and pre-exhausted. And yes, the guy next to me in the gym is probably looking at me saying, "I can do that", but he couldn't do it after doing what I did. Even Simon, [Cohen] and this man is big and massive, called me up to day to tell me that his chest has been sore for the last 5 days. It told me, "Paul, it's awesome!!!" And this is Mr. Universe getting really excited. He's telling me that he's got a whole new way to train and that he loves it. Now we're planning on putting another 20 lbs on Simon just by improving his training. Here I am at 260-ish, my training partner is 240-ish, and by the end of the workout, we're picking Simon up off the floor. We only did 4 sets, and by the last set, Simon's ready to die. But he loved it, he loved it. He's my star of tomorrow.
AE: You take a Simon Cohen. How do you advocate someone the size of a Simon Cohen eat during the offseason?
PB: Macronutrients. I'm concerned with Simon getting 400 g of quality protein down. I'm concerned that Simon doesn't get too fat, within the confines of that, it really doesn't matter what he does. If Simon wants a pizza, I say Simon, have a pizza. I'm more concerned that if his diet is too clean, he cannot eat enough. Also, what the hell are we going to do to clean it up? What are we going to take out if he's living on turkey breasts? My answer is, when you're trying to eat more than you need, which you have to do to get bigger, you've got to use whatever food you can eat. There's only fat, protein, and carbs, there's only fuel. So, as long as their enough protein, and we supplement his diet with 200 g of protein a day, and he eat plenty of steak, turkey, chicken, lean red meat, things like this. He's consuming some source of protein every 2.5 hours, and in between meals, he's having small protein shakes, 10-15 grams of protein. We're trying to keep a constant blood supply of all the amino acids needed for muscle growth. I start my seminars with, "Close your eyes, and imagine a sphere floating in space. It's spinning like the earth, and outside that sphere is the ocean. Running through that ocean are tubes of liquid. Well, that sphere is the muscle cell, and the ocean is the lymph that surrounds it and the tubes are the blood. To build muscle, you've got to get all the amino acids into the muscle cell. To do that, you've got to get them into the lymph, to do that you've got to get them into the blood. And to do that, you've got to get them into the stomach, and to do that you've got to them into the stomach you've got to eat. There are 22 amino acids that you should be eating every 3 hours."
That's how I start my seminars, with those words. That's what I believe. Nutrition is first about getting those amino acids in, then it's about providing enough energy. That means eating, and eat what the hell you bloody like
AE: Do you often find that people stop making progress because they're not consuming enough calories?
PB: Definitely. It's definitely more that than simply not enough protein. It's not enough calories, therefore, the nutrition that's required to build muscle is going to be diverted to providing basic energy needs which is always going to be a priority over muscle growth.
AE: The reason why I ask is simply because that's what I see every day. When I evaluate people's diets their simply not consuming enough calories.
PB: Right, they're living on turkey breasts.
AE: The whole thing has been created by the supplement companies which would have you believe that these athletes live on rice and chicken and eat clean year round. In addition to that, they consume copious amounts of supplements. In reality, this simply isn't happening.
PB: You know I own a supplement company. The word supplement is the key here. You should eat lots of food, a diet rich in protein, fats, and carbs and then add supplements on top. People who replace their meals with MRP's and things, they're never going to grow. Eat the MRP as well as the meal. That's what an MRP is for, to drink with your steak and eggs. I'm going to be hit for saying this, but all my people have steak and eggs before bed every night. The reason for that is this. In the wild, when a lion eats a zebra, it doesn't only absorb 30 grams of that food, I mean, it only eats once a week. You can extrapolate this to man, we didn't eat every three hours. When we eat, we don't only absorb 30 grams, if we did, we be the size of mice. The fact is that the amount of nutrients we absorb from our food is largely dependent on the kind of food we eat. If you eat red meat and eggs, it's very slowly absorbed. You can eat 150 grams of protein in this fashion and it's going to take all night to be absorbed. That way you're covering yourself throughout the night and you always sleep deep on proteins and fats. It's natural to eat and sleep. So, all my clients will have a big steak and eggs before going to bed, that way I know their muscle cells are getting a constant infusion of amino acids throughout the night. I used to advocate that my clients wake up and eat in the middle of the night. Now I prefer to have them simply eat a high protein moderate fat meal before going to bed.
goose...
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nice read goose.. im goin to try and incorporate some of pb's ideas to my current routine. thanks for that info.
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Where are his degrees from? Because according to most people that have had interviews with him or worked with him, he never provided proper credentials or lived up to the physical stats he spoke of.
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It is very clear you are Clueless and uneducated about AAS.Have you ever seen pics of Paul? If you talk the talk....you must walk the walk....or you ass will get knocked out.
goose..
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i plan on trying this sort of cycling out during the summer, it seems to make sense and i'm interested to see the results i'd get
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