Im going to commit some steroid sins...

[Nicotine]

at LEAST get your bloodwork done - if you have issues ALREADY going in, you can cause some serious problems.

get:
kidney
liver
petuitary (LH and FSH)
chloestoral
sugars
vitamin levels
testicular functions

i'd run the whole gammit...as much as this is for vanity, dont destroy your health over gaining 10lbs of muscle

[Angel of death]

I'm not judging you at all I'm just curious, why don't you like test?

[nickbcd]

id add some test for it, youll see better results then just the two pro hormones and deca

[tadpoleboyy]

still no problems having sex. Up about 10 lbs too. Im pretty satisfied with this cycle, and a lot less aggressive and irritable than previous cycles that included test.

[rager]

I have mentioned this in other threads. My first cycle ever was a deca only cycle ( along with a buddy that did the same) we bascially had no fken clue what we were doing obviously. I never had any issue with Deca dick whatsover and either did he. I was banging my girlfreind at the time about three times a day ( poor girl ) My libido went through the roof. This was a ten week deca only cycle. That was the first cycle mind you. The second time I did a deca only cycle it tookk about six weeks in and than I started to have some problems with over all sex drive, but still did not have " The so called Deca sick problem" So thats just my two cents in that issue !!!

[tadpoleboyy]

i do like test, I have run 3 cycle with it, two at 250mg/wk with other injectables, and one at 500mg a week. I would like to avoid the aromatization it causes, but i dont neccesarily want to use an aromataze inhibitor to drop my estrogen levels so low. So i am using just deca, which aromatizes to a small degree. Also, last time i ran test with deca, i experienced some significant shedding of my hair. And you cant use finasteride with deca, becuase then deca does not break down to its less androgenic metabolite, thus defeating the purpose of taking the finasteride. I would not mind an overall reduction in sex drive, either, im young and even off cycle my drive is at times distracting/tempting. Its fun and games until your pee burns and crotch itches.

How much are blood tests typically? Is it possible to cover with insurance? Can i make up some condition or complain so that i can get it covered?

[Angel of death]

Yeah, test gave me some bad sides.
I like the cycle to be honest, if it starts messing with your dick just get off of it and start PCT. Its not the end of the world.

[fit4ever180]

I'm curious as to your experiences on this as well... I know a couple other who have done deca only and deca/dbol that suffered reduced erectile function, but it was not completely eliminated. Keep us posted please

[sitries]

a friend of mine did deca dbol and had no issues at all! deca dick may affect some ppl but not others. i think the cycle is ok. i too like the idea of experimentation using 1 injectable compound at a time. i havent done a deca only cycle yet. and i may never do so, but i do know a good few ppl whov used deca alone with great results and no side effects.

[DrSauce99]

pro hormones suck!!! worst sides and the gains are gone right after...

You will have NO testosterone, your deca dose isn't even very good. Your results won't be worth the pain.

Train and save up. IMHO.

But your stuck and you wanna learn the hard way, I don't blame you I did too when I was younger... go for it, but don't say you didnt know it was gonna happen.

[tadpoleboyy]

im not shooting for super crazy gains, i am looking for modest gains. I still want to be able to play efficiently in a endurance sport (soccer). I can bet you i wont be staying in the game very long running a high dose of test with this, and gaining an extra 7 lbs of water and however much muscle too. I have run much heavier cycles, all with test included. Anyone who has gained very rapidly knows how hard cardio becomes

In terms of sides, i would put dbol above hdrol, having run both on several occasions. And i would put testosterone amongst the top tier of side effects causing compounds, having run it several times also. You make it seems as if i am a 19 year old who has never touched the stuff before

[gymnerd]

Keep us updated how it goes for you.

[tadpoleboyy]

I might as well include some additional information and log this to some extent.
I have been taking arimidex for a few weeks at .25mg/day because of what i think is a delayed estrogen rebound from my last cycles PCT which gave me some begining symptoms of gyno. So i am somewhat dry, and will be taking this a-dex for a few more weeks until i run out. My rational is that that deca will create some estrogen, but not enough to aggravate gyno again, and my natty test will probly be shut down so i do not have to factor that in.

I have also changed all my traditional lifting techniques. Normally, i do half dropsets, and half increasing the weight. before, i always did 4 sets of 6-8, except for abs and calves and such that need more. I would do my last set/exercise of the day to complete failure, laddering down in weights up to 8 times, each set to failure. Just because it gives me that primal feeling.

Now, i am gearing my exercises toward endurance, but still hypertrophy. I am doing 3 set of 10 some times, generally dropsets. I also like to do 3 sets of increasing weight, with 15 reps the first set, then 12, then 10, and sometimes a 4th set at 8. I do light cardio session after each day except 1 (3-4 days a week), and one day of full blown cardio. I include jump rope, speedbag, running, soccer, step climber, and the whole routine where you jump on those boxes of different heights while holding weights (or without), to improve cardio and explosive leg endurance. I do a different muscle group each day, such as chest day, legs day, back and abs, biceps and lats, etc.

My routine is far more plyometrically oriented than ever before, as i used to do mostly just strength and hypertophy with no regard for athletic application. I am doing a lot of push ups, chin ups, jumping, sprints, dips, and so forth just moving my own body weight.

This is all very new to me (well i have done it for sports, but not on gear.) and i am curious to see how i look compared to the normal routine.

[hyperlite32]

soccer is gay, just like this cycle you are going to run!!!!!!!

[Big]

soccer is gay, just like this cycle you are going to run!!!!!!!

you would think after almost 5 years membership you could make posts that actually contribute to the board.

[tadpoleboyy]

i did aim to stir a little.

But i think after reading this, we can see who is and isn't regurgitating information, so if you arent one, what's to worry. So im not going to pick out specific individuals, i generalize to save time. But when members who have never cycled are telling me how stupid i am and how tbol compares to whatever, yet the mods say nothing of the like, i have a hard time trying not to poke some fun.

So you are going to run Nandrolone and some prohormones? Big deal

That is the very point im getting at. Its not that big of a deal. Yet by reading half the responses here, you would think was a huge deal.

[Kale]

soccer is gay, just like this cycle you are going to run!!!!!!!

And you are 12 no doubt !!!

[Matt]

soccer is gay, just like this cycle you are going to run!!!!!!!

Hmmm, there are some retards on this board...

[tadpoleboyy]

cool. I m sure you wont last long here.

[daem]

Wherever you go, there you are.

I will say that I've read this entire post and you come across as a bro in need of desperate attention...So you are going to run Nandrolone and some prohormones? Big deal.

I don't understand the need to stir the pot by generalizing that everyone is a parrot on here.

[jimmyinkedup]

yeah i still dont get it ....been done over and over by many.....surly a trt dose of test would eliminate poss of sexual related sides etc without creating additional adverse sides such as h20 retention etc ...esp noting the adex u r running. I dunno ...my first response was based on the "im a pioneer and rebel" tone i picked up in your OP. I ran deca/wiiny my 3rd ever cycle ...took me 4 -5 cycles before i was educated properly and running what i'd consider good cycles. Some of the first 5 were accidentally decent - some were poor. I will say this deca used to a very popular stand alone choice but for reasons now known it no longer is. The results werent awful on the winny/deca stack - then again they werent great, but at 26 yrs old with case of ED and no test in my system made me lose all self confidence and was a mind fvck no doubt. At any rate - to each his own.

[chuckt12345]

like to see what the results are, i did the same when i was naive,, deca and winny only cycle,, i had no negative sides and great gains so im skeptical about the talk that says 100mg WILL DEF shut you down.

[jimmyinkedup]

like to see what the results are, i did the same when i was naive,, deca and winny only cycle,, i had no negative sides and great gains so im skeptical about the talk that says 100mg WILL DEF shut you down.

didnt he say 500mg 1st week and 300/week from there on out? Did i misunderstand....

[breakbones]

[DSM4Life]

[JiGGaMaN]

godamn. that made reading all the way to the end all the more rewarding.

[Kale]

Why are you even in this thread ?

[tadpoleboyy]

Alright, first time having sex on this cycle was tonight. Absolutely no problems attaining or maintaing erection. I felt about as able as i have any other of my cycles, and definantly more more horny than off cycle. I have a long time girlfriend and am loyal, so any ED problems are not a big deal anyway. Using some types of condoms will make it hard for me to maintain sometimes (lifestyles suck ass), so i can always blame that.

[JiGGaMaN]

you are playing with fire. ill place my bets on weeks 8-16 (im including pct and post pct).

[J-41-sd]

As stated before everyone will react differently to all things to varying degrees, that being said one thing that is a very possible and realistic response to this cycle is depression due to hormonal imbalance and suppression that a 19-nor causes. Gyno is still a problem, not due to aromatization but due to prolactin, I am pretty sure of this, if I am wrong in this aspect I appoligize, best of luck either way. I wouldn't do this cycle but it isn't for me to decide, keep us posted.

[Big_gRunt]

Better you than me buddy. I'd like to hear what your girlfriend has to say about your performance in bed.....she might be a bit more objective on the issue. Maybe she'd like to be a member of AR?

[bahrianite]

if the thread starter would have used a better opening post that would have been nice and he wouldnt have gotten flamed so much!

anyways lets see how it turns out and i would say that wait for at least 6 or more weeks to see what the side effects are like or wether or not you get em!
but i believe you could have gotten dry gains from test as well by running an ai with it.anyways keep us all updated!

[DS21]

Personally I LOVE PH! For everyone that says they suck, I bet they haven't even tried them. They just read some post about how they didn't work and go off of that. My favorite are Superdrol and I guessing it is the one you call H-Drol (original Halodrol 50).

I've also always wondered if deca only or tren only cycles would really mess up your sex drive as much as everyone states? For me, I know I will never find out, because I love test. I feel great on it, more confident and the sex drive increase is priceless. I'm not going to say your cycle is dumb, but knowing deca is synergistically (SP?) better when combined with test is more then enough reason to add a small dose to this cycle, JMO. Best of luck on your cycle.

[tadpoleboyy]

still no libido sides, sex drive is high, checking out women i would not normally care for. But def. gettin some prolactin sides... happened last time i did deca too. maybe i will only do one week at 500mg. Might pick up some caber if lowering dose doesnt work...unless i can milk gyno away. jk

[BuffBuffalo]

Milk gyno Well I have tried prohormones once and didn't really like them, but I think it's cool you're keeping this thread updated for the members who might be interested.

[tadpoleboyy]

Im a week in and took my second shot. I lowered it to 400mg instead of 500, as i am experience some prolactin sides and more water retention than i would like. From here on out it will be 300mg/wk. Still no problems with ED or anything of that nature.

You must also consider that this is not only a deca cycle, and that the orals may help prevent the looming ED issue. According so random logs, people report that hdrol helps with sex drive. Please note, that i am not going to write down everytime i have sex, i will probably only make a note when a ED issue occurs or anything abnormal.

Im going to take a picture and put it up here, so you can see the results too.

At this point, i am heavily considering throwing some boldenone (eq) into this cycle. Probably at 400mg or 600mg/wk. I really like eq, and it is mild in terms of estro and andro sides. Plus, i would like to have something that is not too suppressive in my system a few weeks after i quit with the deca, so that i can recover a bit better.

[Big]

Please note, that i am not going to write down everytime i have sex, Im going to take a picture and put it up here, so you can see the results too.

Alrighty then...

[DSM4Life]

Alrighty then...

Add me to that mailing list as well.

[tadpoleboyy]

haha. Notice the line break... Not a picture of me having sex. Unless you are willing to pay, in that case, shoot me a pm... we can work something out

[DSM4Life]

haha. Notice the line break... Not a picture of me having sex. Unless you are willing to pay, in that case, shoot me a pm... we can work something out

Do you accept paypal ?