Tbol/Var Cycle Diary - First Cycle

[SprinterOne]

Day 10 of anavar. Diet has been cleaned up. Still a bulking diet, but fat has been cut back. Weight is holding at 151 so far. Strength is slowly moving up. I'm getting an extra rep or two on most lifts. No negative side effects. Veins are slowly becoming more visible. So far I prefer tbol to var, but I'm still just 10 days into var, so hopefully the rest that's left will impress me more. Workouts are going great, though.

Remember one thing about var, most people don't feel the strength gain. Sometimes you have to just add more weight before you realize you have gotten stronger. I have read plenty of posts were people say they didn't think it was working until they added more weight, and were surprised they could do it. As a matter of fact, I have an acquaintence who is running var at just 20mg/ed and he had the same thing. He thought it wasn't working so I told him to try and lift more weight then he normally did. He reported back to me that he made a huge jump in one day, continually adding weight for 3 consecutive sets, only because he hadn't consistently tried to lift heavier.

I have also read that it takes 14 days for the strength effects of var tokick in, so that may have something to do with it as well.

[Cmore]

I can tell the var is working, but yes, it is very subtle. In order for me to see its effects, I tried lifting heavier just to see. I did the same workout on bench that I had been doing. Two warmup sets, then sets of 10,8,6, increasing weight as I go down in reps, and then at the end I do another lighter set of 10-12, but do it very slow and make sure I torch everything good. I did another 2 sets after the last set last time and felt the same as I did before without doing them. Today I will probably increase either the weight or reps for each set because the weight seems to be easier almost every time I lift. Mostly I prefer the tbol because of the size gain, but the var seems to add strength for sure. Also, like you said, it sometimes can take around 2 weeks or so to notice much from var, so I'm hoping there are still more good things ahead. Another positive thing is that I believe I have slimmed my waist slightly since starting var and I still weigh the same, which means I have probably lost a bit of fat and gained it back in muscle, which is great.

[Cmore]

Update, day 18 of Var:

Strength continues to steadily climb. Pumps are becoming somewhat intense most all day long. I can just flex my arm for a few seconds and it feels fully pumped like I just worked out. Weight had continued to remain the same at 151 until couple days ago and I had increased another pound. So weight is at 152. Diet is still around 3800-4000 calories per day, and I am still getting less fat than before. I have trimmed my stomach slightly from where I had gained a bit. Still have lots of work to do there, but is getting better. Lifts are going great. My workout on bench Monday was 2 warmup sets, then 185 - 9 reps, 205 - 3 reps, 205 - 2 reps, 205 - 1 rep, 135 - 15 reps. All three sets of 205 were close together. I rested for very short intervals between. I will be trying for 215 for 2 reps today. Legs seem to be growing well. I am very anxious to take measurements again, but I will wait until the very end.

Start: 136 lbs
End wk 1: 139 lbs
End wk 2: 144 lbs
End wk 3: 147 lbs
End wk 4: 151 lbs
End wk 5: 151 lbs
End wk 6: 151 lbs
End wk 6.5: 152 lbs

Goal is to be 153-155 at very end. Hopefully 2-3 pounds of fat lost during the remaining time and 3-5 pounds of muscle gained instead.

[xxSmartyPantsxx]

any sides?

how's the libido been? how are the boys hangin'?

[Cmore]

any sides?

how's the libido been? how are the boys hangin'?

At about 2 weeks into the tbol, after I had upped the dose a bit, I experienced a slight increase in oily skin, although no real acne. That went away after 3-5 days, but has come back since starting the var. Skin is just slightly more oily than usual, but no extra acne. I have seen absolutely no sides from var or tbol other than that. Libido has been exactly the same throughout the entire time. No problems performing and the boys are hanging just like always.

[Cmore]

Well, I'm off to lift. Will post how it goes later, most likely tommorrow.

[randy6969]

i am on a tbol cycle and its giving me stomach aches and my libido has gone down real bad.

[SprinterOne]

i am on a tbol cycle and its giving me stomach aches and my libido has gone down real bad.

You sure you got tbol? From what I know about tbol it increases libido, not decreases.

[ace ventura]

I'm about 7-8 days into tbol@50mg/ed (25mg 06:30 and 18:30). I feal like I have a butterfly in my stomach sometimes and it causes my heart to beat a little faster when I start to think about it, if you know what I mean? Is that from tbol? Maybe I'm just excited to see how it will work. (It's my first cycle, test e/tbol/anavar/nolva). Cmore; did you experience anything like this?

[Cmore]

I guess it could be interpreted as butterflies, mine seemed to be more like I was hungry. The tbol seemed to stimulate my apetite to where I was hungry nearly all day long. One thing to consider is that I spread my doses throughout the entire day to get it as even as possible. I had 10 mg tabs in tbol and took only 1 tab each dose with multiple doses. Makes it harder to remember when to take and all that, but seems to keep blood levels more consistent. For the tbol at 40 I took one each dose at 7 am, 12 pm, 4 pm, 9 pm. Now that I'm on var at 50, I take 3 doses. Morning dose at 7 am is 2 tabs, afternoon dose at 2 pm is 2 tabs, night dose at 9 is 1 tab.

[Cmore]

Workout went well yesterday. At first I felt weak, just like I was about to have an off day, but it went well after the first couple sets. Warmed up on bench, then for a first set I was going to do 185 6-8 reps. Got it 4 times. Then moved on to 205, it went as easy as the 185. I got 3 reps. Then 215 for 2 reps, 220 for 1 rep. That's my new PR. I've never benched more than 205 before, even though I've been doing it for 3 reps lately. Hopefully by the end of the var, I will be around 230-235 as a 1 rep max.

[SprinterOne]

Workout went well yesterday. At first I felt weak, just like I was about to have an off day, but it went well after the first couple sets. Warmed up on bench, then for a first set I was going to do 185 6-8 reps. Got it 4 times. Then moved on to 205, it went as easy as the 185. I got 3 reps. Then 215 for 2 reps, 220 for 1 rep. That's my new PR. I've never benched more than 205 before, even though I've been doing it for 3 reps lately. Hopefully by the end of the var, I will be around 230-235 as a 1 rep max.

This is how I feel before all my workouts when on var, then I have fantastic workouts. It's like var gives you a fake lethargic feeling. You think you have no energy, but once you start going you find yourself having a great workout.

As for your bench, that is some amazing improvement. 15lbs and only 2 weeks in. And since you did all the lifting before it, your 1RM is probably more like 225. I think you could realistically get to 240 by the end of your cycle, just keep pushing forward.

[Cmore]

This is how I feel before all my workouts when on var, then I have fantastic workouts. It's like var gives you a fake lethargic feeling. You think you have no energy, but once you start going you find yourself having a great workout.

As for your bench, that is some amazing improvement. 15lbs and only 2 weeks in. And since you did all the lifting before it, your 1RM is probably more like 225. I think you could realistically get to 240 by the end of your cycle, just keep pushing forward.

Yeah, that sounds exactly like what it was. Is the first time it has happened, though. I think part of it could be that I have been extremely busy this week and my body is probably more tired than usual. I have still been getting enough sleep as always, just been very physically active this week, even more than usual.
I will probably try and max in another week or two. I would love to be able to hit 240. Being able to get 2 reps of 225 would rock, and I think I will get there. My incline db press has also been increasing quite well. I used 55 lb dbs yesterday for 3 sets of 10 reps and will probably increase that to 60's next workout or the one after that.

[randy6969]

I'm about 7-8 days into tbol@50mg/ed (25mg 06:30 and 18:30). I feal like I have a butterfly in my stomach sometimes and it causes my heart to beat a little faster when I start to think about it, if you know what I mean? Is that from tbol? Maybe I'm just excited to see how it will work. (It's my first cycle, test e/tbol/anavar/nolva). Cmore; did you experience anything like this?

ditto... i feel like that too im going to try to spread doasages like cmore to see how it goes

[kloter1]

i just finished reading your log so far. nice work bro. im glad to see someone actually put some quality into posting. im starting superdrol this week and then var in a few months. i cant wait.

[Cmore]

Day 22 of var was yesterday, workout went great. Felt slightly weak on bench the whole time, but rest of the workout was great. I went up in weight on around half of my lifts and added a couple reps to all the others. Part of my bench being low was that I had a baseball game Sunday evening, in which I pitched 8 innings, so my right arm/shoulder/side/back is still pretty sore from that. Worked most of the soreness out yesterday, though. My shoulders seem to have gotten a lot thicker lately (from front to back). I have managed to trim the front of my stomach, but my obliques are still lagging behind. Everything is going quite well. Not sure if it was that I had a crappy last couple days or what, but I seemed a bit touchy yesterday evening. I don't think it's the var, has only been that one day and I have felt good overall the rest of the time. So far I have gained 1 pound since starting var, strength is up some, and only side I can think of is that I'm slightly lethargic at times. Pumps have been pretty good, but nothing too serious. Although I have only gained 1 pound overall, I appear to have gained more, so it seems that I may have lost a slight amount of fat and actually gained a bit more than 1 pound of muscle. Overall it's going good and I believe I would run 40-50 mg ED tbol + 20-30 mg ED var for 8 weeks in the future.

[Cmore]

Day 23 yesterday. Was leg/ab day. Had a good workout. Legs are still feeling weak/sore this morning. I absolutely torched my abs. Did extra sets until I couldn't do any more. Weighed in at 152, so weight was still the same as the couple days before, but it has been moving up slowly. I'd guess I've gained 2 pounds of muscle and lost 1 pound of fat from the 23 days of var. Not all that impressive on those numbers, but my body seems harder overall, muscles seem more defined and veins are still slowly coming out. Strength is still up good. So far I think var would be good to supplement another stronger product and probably produce a very good synergistic combination, or to harden and solidify what you have gained. Used alone I am not sure it would be worth the price you must pay. Not in my case, at least. But I would definitely include it in a stack and think that along with test (which I've never tried) or tbol would be great.

[Cmore]

Not even finished with this cycle yet and already I'm thinking about the next one. This stuff sure gets addictive when you see such great results after busting your ass for years. Let's say I end up at 153 pounds, 10% bf, by the end of the current cycle and after PCT and time off cycle I am 150 pounds at 10% ready for second cycle (hopefully). My goal for the second cycle would be to reach 160-165 pounds and remain 10-11% bf or lower. What kind of cycle would you guys set up using tbol and var? Any ideas, comments, suggestions, changes:

Wks 1-8: 50 mg Tbol ED
Wks 1-8: 30 mg Var ED

Increase/decrease doses of either/both? I know it's stacking two orals, but both are relatively low doses and lesser in sides/strength and I've had no problems whatsoever with the current cycle. Milk thistle would be used the entire time.

[ace ventura]

Just take in consideration that this is your first cycle and as you know the first cycle is the best..

[Cmore]

Just take in consideration that this is your first cycle and as you know the first cycle is the best..

Yes. Very true. I have considered that. By the end of this cycle, I should have gained about 17 pounds (if I reach 153). Gaining another 17 pounds would put me at about what my overall goal is, and only after 2 cycles. Being 165-170 completely ripped is my goal for the rest of my life. So far I am not interested in getting any heavier than that. I still play sports and would like to remain fairly lean. I am hoping that I would be able to gain around 10 more pounds during my second cycle and believe I could do that by taking the tbol for 8 weeks and upping the dose to 50-60. I only took 40 mg tbol for 4 weeks and gained 15 pounds this first round, so with a higher dose and for longer, even being second cycle I should be able to gain a decent amount of size, provided diet and all is good. Do you think 10 pounds is a reasonable goal for the second cycle I have in mind? O, by the way, I will be taking a good amount of time off between. Upon finishing this first cycle, I will take probably 3-4 months to allow my body to fully adjust, recover, and prepare for the next. I'll still be working hard, just off cycle during that time.

[Cmore]

Well, I'm over 3 weeks into the var and I have to say I'm not impressed very much. The pumps are ok, the strength is good, but that's about it. I might have gained a slight amount of vascularity in my shoulders/chest, but not much. I have gained only 1 pound in total weight just cannot tell much of a difference. My wife made a statement yesterday that she could not really tell a difference in me since starting the var. She said she could tell big differences at the end of the 4 weeks of tbol, but none since then. I guess this is more reassurance that var is a good synergistic/supplemental product. I will definitely use tbol as the base of my next cycle and possibly var along with, but not all that much considering the price.

[ace ventura]

Do you think you should up the callories?

I have been on 50mg/ed of BD tbol myself for two weeks now. Eating and training has not been to good the last week due to stomach trouble from cialis (!). The first week was ok. I felt a little harder and no other sides than some butterflies as mentioned.

-I imagined I would feal the steroids in my body in a way but I don't feal any different, though I have gained in bodyweight and strength. I startet at about 200 lbs and I'm now ~210 lbs at most (but I have been allmost there before so this is easy gains).

Last saturday was the first time on tbol that i did chest workout. I had a great workout the week before. And this time on tbol I actually put on 10kg/22lbs more this time just to see how it went. And surprisingly (I didn't feal too good this day, not eating good and I slept two hours before workout, felt really lazy) I lifted 5 reps x 3 sets and then 7 reps on the fourth set (I was alone). Last time I benched I did 6x4 with 20 lbs less and still I was at my best.

I worked out yesterday. Was not in good shape at all but still I worked out with about 10kg/20lbs weights more than I would have done on such a bad day naturally I think.

I expect my diet and traning to be much better from now on and I look forward to see the results.

[kloter1]

for a 2nd cycle i would throw in test. test+var seem to work very well.

[Cmore]

I get 3500-4000 calories per day. Same as I was getting on the tbol. I think since the var is weaker, the tbol perhaps hid some of the gains I would get earlier. I believe the var is working, just slowly. At the very end I will probably notice some good things, other than the increase in strength. I do believe that running var for a longer time, such as 8-10 weeks, instead of running it for 4-6 would work better, at least for me.

[ace ventura]

Are you sure you don't need more calories now since you have gained weight and therefor need more calories to suply that mass?

[Cmore]

That's probably a good thought. I had adjusted a few things for the extra weight, but had not thought about the calories. I probably should make sure of 4000 minimum, perhaps make it 4000-4250 or so.

[Duster]

your doing good bro i think i might end up doign the same or close cycle to yours....i guess you can say you inspirird me to do it!....wish you the best!!and good luck

[Liftnainez]

yea same here.. great keeping up with your cycle's progress. Makes me want to do it as well

[Cmore]

Day 29 yesterday. Felt ok on bench to start, but as I went from set to set, instead of feeling weaker and getting more tired, I started feeling stronger and more energized. By the time I finished my sets of bench, I was pumped and ready to kick some ass the rest of the workout. All lifts went great. I'm still at 152, but it was slightly above that, so probably gained a fraction of a pound. Veins in my shoulders and bis still slowly become more visible. Although I'm still at nearly the same weight that I was when I finished the Tbol, I seem to appear bigger. I can tell slight differences, but other people have started to notice and make comments about me gaining size/weight, so it seems the Var is at least moving the weight around and getting it in the right places and hopefully I've trimmed a bit of fat.

[ace ventura]

This sounds good, Cmore!

My bench went up 22lbs/10kg in the first two weeks. Last time I did 176lbs, 6 reps x 4 sets. This is the best I've ever done I think, even though I had a bad day.

Did you get painfull back pumps from tbol?

[Cmore]

This sounds good, Cmore!

My bench went up 22lbs/10kg in the first two weeks. Last time I did 176lbs, 6 reps x 4 sets. This is the best I've ever done I think, even though I had a bad day.

Did you get painfull back pumps from tbol?

Never got any negative sides from the tbol other than oily skin for 3-4 days. It happened when I upped the dose from 30 to 40 mg ED. Skin was oily for a few days, but then went away.

[Duster]

Everything seems to be going your way cmore. Im probably going to do that same cycle as you except with some dbol. Hook us up with some pictures soon to bro!

[Cmore]

Will definitely have more pics as soon as it's over. Should be around 2 more weeks, give or take a few days. Too lazy to count it up right now. I've been extremely anxious to take measurements again, but have held off and will wait until the very end.

Start: 136 lbs
End wk 1: 139 lbs
End wk 2: 144 lbs
End wk 3: 147 lbs
End wk 4: 151 lbs
End wk 5: 151 lbs
End wk 6: 151 lbs
End wk 7: 152 lbs
End wk 8: 152 lbs

Hoping to be 153 by end and I think that's probably right where I'll be. Will have those updated pics and measurements in couple weeks when everything is completely finished. Next cycle will be 8-10 weeks, tbol/var, similar to this one, except I will probably switch around the total amounts of each. This first round I used 2000 mg var and about 1000 mg tbol. I will use tbol for 8 weeks next time and the var at a lesser dose for around the same. So will probably end up using around 2200 mg tbol and around 1000 var. Anyway, this cycle is going great and I am anxious to see the very end results. Will keep everyone posted.

[Cmore]

Went ahead and counted it up. Today is day 31, so 9 more days left.

[Cmore]

One more thing I have started noticing lately from the var is my aggressiveness/motivation, or lack thereof. While taking the tbol, I was extremely pumped mentally and busting my ass in the weightroom every day and wanted more. I kept that mentality during the first 2-3 weeks of var, but since then it just seems that I haven't had the same drive to push myself. Not until I get to the weightroom at least. I feel good overall, but don't have any extra desire to lift like before. After getting to the weightroom and warming up, however, I feel great and am ready to go. I only feel slightly lethargic, if any, just don't have any EXTRA desire to lift as I did with the tbol.

[Cmore]

Yesterday was a rest day. I noticed veins in my arms, chest, and shoulders more last night than ever before. Much more. The vascularity is starting to come out really good. The veins aren't standing out from my body, but I can see the bluish green lines much much easier now. Still no noticeable negative sides and I'm feeling great. I'm definitely ready to take measurements and check out how much I have gained on lifts at the very end.

[duke911]

Keep up the great work and the great post. Im about to start my tbol cycle 40-50 mg per day. cant wait.

[Nicky B]

Have you thought of maybe upping the dose of the var by 10mg or so for the last week.

[Cmore]

Have you thought of maybe upping the dose of the var by 10mg or so for the last week.

I've thought about it and might even do it. I'm supposed to have 9 days left including today, I think. So if I upped the dose, it would only shorten it by a couple days. I'll probably do that starting today. So entire cycle will be:

Day 1-7: 30 mg Tbol ED
Day 8-28: 40 mg Tbol ED
Day 29-59: 50 mg Var ED
Day 60-66: 60 mg Var ED

[Nicky B]

I've thought about it and might even do it. I'm supposed to have 9 days left including today, I think. So if I upped the dose, it would only shorten it by a couple days. I'll probably do that starting today. So entire cycle will be:

Day 1-7: 30 mg Tbol ED
Day 8-28: 40 mg Tbol ED
Day 29-59: 50 mg Var ED
Day 60-66: 60 mg Var ED

No need to shortin the cycle.