I hope you people dont mind if I post up around this forum for a bit

[mass junkie]

Fo me to start learning about cutting

Ive spent the better part of my life in the gym learning about different lifting techniques for growth and size purely to get as big as I can...now in 3 months my cycle will be over and after talking with some of my closest friends on here ive decided to cut and try to maintain as much muscle as I can in the process. I will be asking alot of questions but I need to know where to start. I look forward to spending alot of time in the diet section to learn all that I can so that when the time to cut is upon me..I wont have the "deer stuck in the headlights look" I'd really like to see what I look like underneath this layer of extra padding..thanks in advance for your help


PS...Im reading the stickies now

[slizzut]

Uh oh mass is here

This might help you a little too..

Diet and cardio are the 2 most important elements to shedding body fat. Its important that when you decide to start cutting you do cardio 5-7 days a week, in the morning on an empty stomach for 45-60 minutes. Your heart rate should remaind between 60-70%.

On Cardio/Lifting days diet goes as follows:


*Before Cardio Take Glutamine
**Take your ECA/ECY/Thermo now if you choose to do so

Cardio 45-60mins

m1(approx 30-40 mins after cardio):
Pro/Fat: 1 6-8oz piece of lean meat or egg whites/1oz almonds(usually 28 almonds). Thats about 50g of protein/15g of fat.

m2:Pro/Fat Lean Meat, 2 tablespoons of natural peanut butter. Approx. 50g of protein and 15g of fat.

m3: Pro/Fat 2 Scoops of whey and 1 tablespoon flaxseed oil. Approx. 50g of Protein and 15g of fat.

-workout-

m4(PWO): 1 scoop of whey, 1/3 cup of dextrose. Approx. 25g protein/50g carb

m5(PPWO): 6-8oz Lean Meat(NOT STEAK OR SALMON), and half a cup of brown rice. Approx 50 protein/35carb

m6(before bed): 2 scoops whey, 1 teaspoon glutamine powder, 1 tablespoon of flaxseed oil.


Cardio Only Days (Follow the food outline from above for your sources of EFA's(essential fatty acids) and protein:

Cardio 45-60mins
m1: Pro/Fat
m2: Pro/Fat
m3: Pro/Fat (optional Pro/Carb)
m4: Pro/Fat
m5: Pro/Fat

Lifting Only Days:

m1: Pro/Fat
m2: Pro/Fat
m3: Pro/Fat
-Workout-
m4(PWO): Pro/Dex
m5(PPWO): Pro/Carb
m6: Pro/Fat


Your source of protein can be chicken, tuna, lean ground beef, turkey or egg whites(eggs). Steak and salmon can also be used but not in PPWO meal.

Cheat one meal, once a week don’t overdue it.

[LeanMeOut]

Hell ya I mind........ GTFO biatch


LOL glad to see ya in here

[slizzut]

Hell ya I mind........ GTFO biatch


LOL glad to see ya in here

You woke up LMO, great job mass.

[Bigpup101]

first things first..post your current diet so it can be critiqued

[mass junkie]

My current diet
Meal1
8 egg whites/ 1 yolk scrammbled
1 cup oats w/ honey (if ya want to add some flavor)
2 slices whole wheat toast w/ natty pb
8-12 oz of water minimum

Meal2
3/4 to 1 lb lean red (ground chuck, steak, hamburger aslong as it's lean)
1 cup green leafy veggies
1/2 apple or 1/2 cup rice

Meal3
2 cans tuna w/ 1-2 tablespoons of mayo
side salad w/vinigarette

Meal4
2 chicken breasts
1 cup green leafy veggie
1/2 cup cottage cheese

Meal5
fish, chicken, turkey breast, lean red meat
1/2 cup green leafy veggies
1/2 to 1 cup rice

Meal6
PWO shake 40-60g protein/ 80g carbs

Meal7
(PWO1) 2 chicken breasts
1 1/2 cup rice

Meal8
(PWO2) 1 can tuna or chicken or even egg white omolette
1/2 to 1 cup cottage cheese

as clean as possible...I know its alot of food but at 5'6 248 pounds I need all the protein I can to keep promoting muscle growth... its been ramped up starting from 5000 calories a day...keep in mind that I said im bulking

[LeanMeOut]

It's going to be an interesting transition from bulk to cut..... how soon do you want to start cutting? If I were you I would cut while on cycle.....

[mass junkie]

It's going to be an interesting transition from bulk to cut..... how soon do you want to start cutting? If I were you I would cut while on cycle.....

Id like to wait untill a month after im done with pct..because im still gonna ramp up on calories after pct .....PCT is very rough for me I dont know about you guys but pychologically it plays hell on me...I even dissapear from the boards for a couple of weeks thats how bad it is...so thats why I threw out the notion of a month after pct is complete..dam bro I can only handle so much

[LeanMeOut]

Id like to wait untill a month after im done with pct..because im still gonna ramp up on calories after pct .....PCT is very rough for me I dont know about you guys but pychologically it plays hell on me...I even dissapear from the boards for a couple of weeks thats how bad it is...so thats why I threw out the notion of a month after pct is complete..dam bro I can only handle so much

Honestly Mass I wouldn't cut after PCT...... you are already in a state of catabolism during PCT and that is just asking for more muscle loss. You might want to consider bulking a little longer while on cycle, then cut while on cycle as well, and then eat maintenace during PCT. It is up to you, but at your size and after just completing PCT I would say some muscle loss might occur even if your diet is 100% on. You might want to wait and see what SwoleCat has to say about this as he would know more than I would on this particular topic, but that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.

[LeanMeOut]

PS...Im reading the stickies now

Have I told you recently that I <3 you ??

[)(PimP JuicE)(]

fVck thats alot of food bro!

you're mixing fats with carbs though...bad

[mass junkie]

fVck thats alot of food bro!

you're mixing fats with carbs though...bad

Yeah no ****...it took awhile to get used to eating all that...and now I can actually eat more than that if i really wanted to..but I have to implement a little restraint

Honestly Mass I wouldn't cut after PCT...... you are already in a state of catabolism during PCT and that is just asking for more muscle loss. You might want to consider bulking a little longer while on cycle, then cut while on cycle as well, and then eat maintenace during PCT. It is up to you, but at your size and after just completing PCT I would say some muscle loss might occur even if your diet is 100% on. You might want to wait and see what SwoleCat has to say about this as he would know more than I would on this particular topic, but that's what I would do if I was in your shoes.

yeah im waiting for swoles imput as well

How much cardio do you do also right now Mass??

cardio is 3 times a week in the mornings before I eat anything...but only for 30 minutes on mon,wed,fri

[LeanMeOut]

Yeah no ****...it took awhile to get used to eating all that...and now I can actually eat more than that if i really wanted to..but I have to implement a little restraint


yeah im waiting for swoles imput as well


cardio is 3 times a week in the mornings before I eat anything...but only for 30 minutes on mon,wed,fri

Not bad......

Yea I would wait for Swole's opinion because I remember talking to him about my buddy ending a cycle and wanting cut and he said it wasn't the best idea.....so I would definitely wait for swole's input.

[mass junkie]

Not bad......

Yea I would wait for Swole's opinion because I remember talking to him about my buddy ending a cycle and wanting cut and he said it wasn't the best idea.....so I would definitely wait for swole's input.

yeah but its defintely the time to cut... I find myself winded very easy and its getting harder to breathe..bro I cant even take off my own shirt..and if my wife is pissed at me she'll leave me their like a turtle flipped on my back...it sucks

[)(PimP JuicE)(]

yeah but its defintely the time to cut... I find myself winded very easy and its getting harder to breathe..bro I cant even take off my own shirt..and if my wife is pissed at me she'll leave me their like a turtle flipped on my back...it sucks

HAHAHAHAHA, that's funny....

just wondering, how much bf do you think you have?

[)(PimP JuicE)(]

a month after pct is fine to start cutting.

I'm going to take clen during pct so i can keep calories high and keep the fat gains to a minimum.

[G-Force]

a month after pct is fine to start cutting.

I'm going to take clen during pct so i can keep calories high and keep the fat gains to a minimum.

how about cutting during PCT?

[SwoleCat]

how about cutting during PCT?

How about your OWN thread you Bin Laden Hi-jacker!

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[G-Force]

How about your OWN thread you Bin Laden Hi-jacker!

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how about you take a chill pill

[SwoleCat]

how about you take a chill pill

The smiley next to my statement indicates I was kidding.

Shove that pill --------------------- > (__!__)

~SC~

[G-Force]

how about you take a chill pill

sorry mate - i'm in a **** mood today

almost had my first bout of roid rage earlier

[)(PimP JuicE)(]

how about cutting during PCT?

I would not cut during pct. im only taking the clen to keep off unwanted fat during pct so i will be able to keep my calories high....

[angelxterminator]

some people here are just like dedicated targets that noobs try to impress their oh so abundent knowledge upon.

[SwoleCat]

some people here are just like dedicated targets that noobs try to impress their oh so abundent knowledge upon.

Precisely. See above.

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[SwoleCat]

What up bro.

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[LeanMeOut]

ttt

[BigMike J]

Much success to you on your cutter mass.. hope you don't fell to small afterwards, when i was 230 i felt like a **** stick.

[usualsuspect]

Mass, you've come to the right place for diet advice.

[LeanMeOut]

TTT again for Mizzass

[Dally]

21% ??

thats nothin man, you and your determination will cut thru that like BUTTER.

do it man!
we wit cha.

[mass junkie]

In terms of cardio at night... is it better to do it after my workout or before?
Im just used to getting my pwo shake within 15 minutes after my workout

[LeanMeOut]

In terms of cardio at night... is it better to do it after my workout or before?
Im just used to getting my pwo shake within 15 minutes after my workout

Do cardio in the morning...... if you absolutely can't do that then do cardio after you lift.

[SwoleCat]

In terms of cardio at night... is it better to do it after my workout or before?
Im just used to getting my pwo shake within 15 minutes after my workout

Neither!

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[SwoleCat]

It's okay G, life is too short brutha.

I now take all this type of stuff as part of the territory, it goes with what I do. So, I can accept it and succeed, or let it bother me and fail. Well, I think you know where my heart lies.

Best of luck to you,

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[G-Force]

It's okay G, life is too short brutha.

I now take all this type of stuff as part of the territory, it goes with what I do. So, I can accept it and succeed, or let it bother me and fail. Well, I think you know where my heart lies.

Best of luck to you,

~SC~

cheers

i've been lookin out for you in musclemag - havent seen u yet though

which is the latest issue that you've been in?

[G-Force]

i've just noticed it say no.264 on your signature

i had a quick look thru but couldnt see you?

[SwoleCat]

i've just noticed it say no.264 on your signature

i had a quick look thru but couldnt see you?

Look again, I'm there!

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[SwoleCat]

I have no energy, nor desire, to explain myself yet again on a subject that has been beaten worse than Rodney King. However, since my coffee kicked in just a bit, here's a few more baton whirls..................

Cardio after working out is something I'd never do, but that's just me. Makes NO sense to mix aerobics/anaerobics, as they send two ENTIRELY different messages to the body, AND both have their own purposeful mechanisms (fat loss, anabolism), both of which greatly suffer because of intereference from the other.
(EX: lipolysis is engaged after the cardio, then you slam down a pwo drink, thus stopping fat burning in it's tracks) Smart? No...........
As well, after weights you want to replinish glycogen stores as quickly as you can to begin recovery, NOT perform cardio in an already EXTENDED catabolic state.

I love the argument of not doing cardio a.m. as it's "TOO CATABOLIC", yet one will do CARDIO after an intense weight training session. Talk about catabolic! You tell me when glycogen replinishment and cortisol is the HIGHEST. A.M cardio is only catabolic for those who do not know how to eat correctly the other 23+ hours of the day.

Remember, just because someone "competes" doesn't mean those methods are going to work for the average person. Believe me, if all of the 1000's I helped were doing cardio after weights, I wouldn't have the success rate/popularity that I do today. I'd also be running for my life from people wanting to kil me from over-training, losing lean mass, remaining fat, etc.

All in all, simply try one method, if it doesn't seem to work, simply move on to another one.




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[Dally]

All in all, simply try one method, if it doesn't seem to work, simply move on to another one.




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all your advice is good, like always IMO, but that is the single best peice of advice I have seen on this board to date.

good luck to ya too mass, hope its workin out mang

[fritz2435]

I have no energy, nor desire, to explain myself yet again on a subject that has been beaten worse than Rodney King. However, since my coffee kicked in just a bit, here's a few more baton whirls..................
~SC~

Just where do you come up with these?