Id liek to hear from anyone......who has done a cycle and has been off for a year or more now and has kept their gains without doing another cycle ????? anyone ?
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Id liek to hear from anyone......who has done a cycle and has been off for a year or more now and has kept their gains without doing another cycle ????? anyone ?
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It's not a year but it's getting close........ I just make sure I run PCT correctly and keep calories up durring that time......... then the obvious I keep training the rest of the year.
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I know what your trying to ask. Well, I basically lost all my gains on 2 cycles that I did. Its a long hall. Basically I was up 10lbs of kept and then I kept another 10, but then I looked like I had a bigger stomach. So I tried to cut/lose weight. Bad idea, should of kept calories up for another few months or more. Then i lost my stomach fat and I lost alot of muscle too. I was 210, went to 189. Now I am 192 or so. Fvck losing weight, I am going to get so huge. With my body, all fat goes directly to stomach. Everything looks good on body, besides a little stomach. But yes you can keep gains, but not 100% when ended. Creatine also helps taking it like a week or so before you end cycle. Depends on what kind of cycle your doing.Originally Posted by faustunta
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gains shouldnt be too hard to maintain, if u keep eating efficiently,
u lose most gains when ur test levels suck! so when pct is done correctly - and your food intake (calories) is sufficient for ur requirements, you should keep most of your gains for sure!!
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Unfortunately, the success to failure ratio on THIS BOARD is quite poor. And this is an issue I want to discuss.
I want EVERYONE to have successful cycles. I want EVERYONE to maintain all of their gains MONTHS after PCT--AND it is VERY POSSIBLE to DO SO. HOWEVER, you must thoroughly understand the compounds you are using, and the PROPER dosages in which they should be used.
I was very disturbed when I first came to this forum(after being a member of many others) and I saw that the average bodybuilder was taking 2-3 times more anabolic steroids than Arnold or Columbo ever took. NEWBIES are taking 500-700mgs of TESTE a WEEK! Or even better--D-bol OVER 50 MGS!! ANYONE can make great gains(NOT WATER WEIGHT!) from 20 mgs d-bol ED! These are just a few examples of the DOGMA perpetuated on this board. It is ALMOST A RELIGIOUS BELIEF for Anabolic-Review members to "HAVE TEST IN EVERY CYCLE".....THIS IS NOT TRUE!! (I will get into the TEST myth in a SEPERATE THREAD!) BUT ONLY in America...this "more is better" attitude. More is NOT better...thats not how these compounds should be utilized for QUALITY muscle gains.
i am way too tired to keep rambling, I am finding it hard to stay awake..ill start a thread tomorrow..
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.....I wanna hear your 'TEST myth' therory...other boards that I scan also believe in test in every basic cycle..I believe in low doesages too in some cases depending on the individuals goals...
Last edited by MR PHATT ASS; 05-17-2005 at 03:48 AM.
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[QUOTE=TheMindOfRoss]Unfortunately, the success to failure ratio on THIS BOARD is quite poor. And this is an issue I want to discuss.
Really?
I want EVERYONE to have successful cycles. I want EVERYONE to maintain all of their gains MONTHS after PCT--AND it is VERY POSSIBLE to DO SO. HOWEVER, you must thoroughly understand the compounds you are using, and the PROPER dosages in which they should be used.
I think that is why we are all here. To share experience and learn.
I was very disturbed when I first came to this forum(after being a member of many others) and I saw that the average bodybuilder was taking 2-3 times more anabolic steroids than Arnold or Columbo ever took. NEWBIES are taking 500-700mgs of TESTE a WEEK! Or even better--D-bol OVER 50 MGS!! ANYONE can make great gains(NOT WATER WEIGHT!) from 20 mgs d-bol ED! These are just a few examples of the DOGMA perpetuated on this board. It is ALMOST A RELIGIOUS BELIEF for Anabolic-Review members to "HAVE TEST IN EVERY CYCLE".....THIS IS NOT TRUE!! (I will get into the TEST myth in a SEPERATE THREAD!) BUT ONLY in America...this "more is better" attitude. More is NOT better...thats not how these compounds should be utilized for QUALITY muscle gains.
Im not sure how taking 20mgs of dbol vs 50mgs will help you keep your gains better. I had a guy from Austria tell me to take dbol 60mgs for 12wks. Was he wrong? Yes. Was he American? No.
I dont think there is anything wrong the advice given on this board. If you have better advice w/proof to back it up then I am all ears.
Last edited by RA; 05-17-2005 at 10:49 AM.
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oh really? and how was the succuss ratio BEFORE this board came online?
REALLY? and just who would those people be,lab rats?
and why do you think that is? could it be that a.a.s. suppress natural testosterone and that by including it in some form YOUR D!CK WILL WORK!
i've read a lot of your "banter" and wish you would just go away. sure if the person is not smart enough to do their own research than of course they can screw up! but let me ask you bro: whats the first response a "newbie" gets on this board when asking about cycles? DO SOME RESEARCH! whats the other response? it usually starts with "in my opinion".
if all you can do is critisize this board then why don't you go and start your own and leave us the fvck alone!!!!
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Id really like to hear some of your theories
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This, imo, is not conducting yourself like an adult. You come on the board and basically flame everyone. If you have an opinion thats fine but dont come in like an ahole and expect a warm welcome. After your done warming your lips on texans *ss why dont you try everyone that you pissed off with your arrogant attitude.Have a good roidattack night!
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Well, I for one respect themindofross's opinions. A different perspective on cycles is refreshing to see I suppose. It definitely seems like the guy knows what hes talking about.
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You know some compounds at less then 1 gram doses of testosterone, testosterone can only directly increase your lean muscle mass by about 5 lbs. The rest of the gains from testosterone and other steroids comes more from supression of cortisol then from direct anabolic activities. Off cycle you have to use great care not to activate cortisol because it will break down and destroy a muscle in record time and you basically cant get it back too easily without doing another cycle.
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why ban him.. he is kinda entertaining...
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New Saluu?
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errr.. atleast he can compose complete sentences... still uses the dam capslock too much ... but i think its kuz he is trying to stress certain points...?New Saluu?
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Hey, what happened to Saluu...Ive been gone for a while?
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He is still here trying to come up with his next disorganized post. I told him to go to www.adultadd.com but I dont think he took my advice.
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So, your 175lbs. Holy shit, what a monster!!! You know, your right we should all listen to a 21 year old punk that comes in trying to push everyone else around and saying were all idiots. Hail to the smallest person on the fn board :aaok****t
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Nice gains in one year!! what did you take?
Last edited by 4spain; 05-17-2005 at 02:13 PM.
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Ok... all the flaming and trash talking wil STOP NOW! Let's all just agree to disagree.... just because his views are different doesn't mean to slam him. Ya'll can argue like adults or if ya wish to keep arguing like children this will get locked or deleted... if it persists harsher plans of action will be taken.
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Nothing wrong with arguing like adults.... I just don't want all the name calling and BS that goes along with it.
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I think I have conducted myself like an adult. I have formulated very concise responses to my various criticisms, and I have maintained calm and cool the entire time. BIG TEXAN--thanks for stepping in. Once again, I am only here to help.
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I haven't read every single post on this thread but yes you have handled yourself nicely... lets just keep it that way.... folks... please do the same.
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guys what hes saying as lot of truth to it. some people are gunna tell you that you need more juice, so that they can make more money. ofcourse a gram of test is gunna give you better gains than 300mg. but as with every drug known to existance, the more you take, the higher the side effects. more test, will make a harder recovery. end of story. theres not some little switch in your nutsack to shutoff natural test. having rediculous amounts of any hormone leaves more space to be converted into dht, and estrogen too. so your going to get more chances of gyno etc.... as for deca/tren alone, i dont know if id want to figure out for myself, but i know friends who have done both of them as a single hormone. theyre fine, but maybe someone else wont be. i have a friend that did a straight dbol/test cycle 30/300 respectivly and then tey did clomid/nolva pct. he needs cialis now, or he cant get it up.
do some reasearch for your self guys. look at what the popular ideas for juicing was 20 years ago or even 10. it changes. people keep taking more and more, and i really and truely thing that this is due to the local sellers pushing it on to their clientel.
and i would like to hear some more of your theories. wheres bask8case i wanna hear his opinion
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VERY TRUE INDEED! The dosages suggested on this board are LUDACRIS! Professional bodybuilders in the 80's and 90's were taking 25mgs of D-bol with REMARKABLE success, with newbies taking as little as 10mgs with great gains! More is not better!
European bodybuilders RARELY USE TEST. This is an american fascination, obviously because for americans "more is better"..always. We are the only COUNTRY that has SUVS! lol.
Furthermore, incorporating TEST into every cycle is a RELIGIOUS BELIEF here at Anabolic-Review. I am making a relentless effort to dispell this gross misconception, as I feel it is the reason why THIS board has 4 TIMES as many threads about AWFUL SIDE EFFECTS.
I am always here for questions..
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"European bodybuilders RARELY USE TEST"
How can you back this claim up?
"Furthermore, incorporating TEST into every cycle is a RELIGIOUS BELIEF here at Anabolic-Review. I am making a relentless effort to dispell this gross misconception, as I feel it is the reason why THIS board has 4 TIMES as many threads about AWFUL SIDE EFFECTS."
You have one hell of a job ahead of you! But why not incorperate Test into every cycle? Theories? It IS however the building blocks of muscle's, right?
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Why NOT to incorporate TEST into EVERY CYCLE:
1.) Testosterone has a PROFOUND impact on your HPTA--CLINICALLY demonstrated to be MORE disturbing to the endocrine system than other anabolics when used alone. Testosterone supplementation reduced the body's own testosterone production by nearly 100%, while even Dianabol used in higher dosages, only caused a 40% decrease in testosterone production. Therefore, using a moderate testosterone dosage while ON A CYCLE of a mild anabolic such as primobolan or oxandrolone (even EQ) to COMBAT lack of LIBIDO, ect, will only make it HARDER to maintain your gains POST CYCLE. You are eliminating sexual sides, but doing so at the cost of your NATURAL TEST PRODUCTION.
2.) Testosterone has BAD SIDE EFFECTS IF YOU ARE GENETICALLY PREDISPOSED. Hairloss, Gyno, and prostate difficulties are high risks for many people on this board. Some are able to do test without much negative effect, while others are DEVESTATED by side effects.
3.) QUALITY OF GAINS. Testosterone causes a RAPID increase in body mass, much of which is lost upon cessation of cycle. This is due largely to the fact that testosterone aromatizes VERY easily, causing noticable water retention in most individuals. Using non-aromatizing steroids ELIMINATES the possibility of exposing your body to SUPRAPHYSIOLOGICAL levels of ESTROGEN, and it also reduces the amount of weight you lose post cycle. Furthermore, because of HOW MUCH TESTOSTERONE affects the HPTA, maintaining gains POST cycle can be very difficult, even with clomid therapy.
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Can you please give us an example of your ideal cycle?
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2 Cycles 42 lbs gained and kept the key :
EATING AND TRAINING LIKE A FUKN ANIMAL
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A cycle has SO many variables, including the individual's sensitivity to the various anabolics/androgenic steroids that are to be used. It also depends on one's goals, and level of tolerance to side effects. There are a PLETHORA of different dosing schemes and cycle durations, ranging from 2 WEEKS on 2 WEEKS OFF, with a short acting ester, and I have done 16 week cycles using long-acting esthers. I have used 4 week, 5 week, and 6 week dosing protocols. There are SOO many different ways to cycle--its TRULY a SHAME so many people are close-minded, and are only willing to run TRADITIONAL AMERICAN 8-16 week cycles.
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Please give me an an example of one of your "4 week, 5 week and 6 week" cycles. Dosages, sides, gains made, gains attained after discontinuence of cycle?
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Here is a 6 weeker that I LOVE!
Week 1: 15mgs D-bol/30mgs VAR
Week 2: 15mgs D-bol/35mgs VAR
Week 3: 20mgs D-bol/40mgs VAR
Week 4: 15mgs D-bol/40ngs VAR
Week 5: 35mgs VAR
Week 6: 30mgs VAR
I keep Arimidex on hand, but with such LOW D-BOL doses you will be SHOCKED at how LEAN you stay! Also, ALMOST NO SHUTDOWN at all! I begin Tribex (tribulus) 2 weeks prior to Clomid treatment, as this substantially increases the efficiacy of clomid--as there is already an existing LH/FSH signal being modulated.
You should put on 10-15 KEEPABLE.
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I believe it's impossible to keep muscle size/density for very long after stopping steroid use. For example...look at Kevin Levrone during his prime and after he stopped using. He went from looking freakish to looking like a men's health guy, which is about what is attainable without heavy steroid use.
Steroid induced muscle hypertrophy simply cannot be maintained very long after stopping steroids...eventually you will return to your natural size...anyone who thinks differently is fooling themselves. Cycling steroids is simply taking 2 steps forward and one back...do it enough and you can achieve superior size, but stop altogether and your size will eventually disappear.
That's my 2 cents.
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Guess I am fooling myself. IMO you do take 2 steps forward, and maybe 1 step back, but with the right food intake,PCT, and exercise program, you will be a step ahead of your natural ability it you are strict with the following..
Anabolic Member
An oral only cycle, Cmon bro.. I highly doubt you are putting on 15 pounds of keepable gains with that.
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you could subsititute DBOL with PROP or TREN for a slightly more supressive stack.
Myth #2 = Orals don't produce quality gains.
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o and ross if you dont use the compounds you really shouldnt say Shite pal.
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I also recomend kretin to along with clomid and nolva. and eat like crazy and train hard=)
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