Just left the Doctor............"F*****SOB"

[tcw]

i just left the Dr. and got a script for cypinate. However....i wanted to try Propinate for my first cycle...but the Dr. said...no way. I asked him why and his response was...."i don't prescibe propinate....only cypinate, deca and anavar...and i don't think that much testosterone would be good for you as a first time user."

I looked at him and realized that he didn't know very much about steroids. I tried to explain to him that cypinate stays in the system longer....but it was like talking to a brick wall. I know i can get propinate from another pharmacy (legit) but i wanted the opinion of some of Pro's here...

What do you think...Should i try cypinate for my first cycle or get the propinate?


Thnks

"Any constructive input is greatly appreciated!"

[oldman]

subscribed, interested in what is said.

Oldman

[Tyrone_Biggums]

Thats a sad story....my Dr gives me anything I want and at any quanity. I think you need a new Doctor who will do what you tell him.

[305GUY]

Thats a sad story....my dock gives me anything I want and at any quanity. I think you need a new Doctor who will do what you tell him.

werent you banned?

[Tyrone_Biggums]

werent you banned?

yes for 2 weeks

[RJstrong]

1st cycle... cyp is fine.

[NYC BIG MIKE]

yes for 2 weeks

ahahahaha

[305GUY]

just stick with the cyp. I dont think you'd get prescribed enough prop to inject ED or EOD.

[tcw]

just stick with the cyp. I dont think you'd get prescribed enough prop to inject ED or EOD.

I think you are right 305...propbably won't give me the 3000mg i want for a two week cycle.

[lucabratzi]

i think ur right on saying that cyp stays in ur system longer and its not reletivly weaker. so he must be uneducated on steroids. but for first cycle i think it woudl be alot easier to just do 2 simple shots a week of cyp instead of prop ed/eod and is more painful..

[ironmike250]

Wait, Dr.'s will give you gear prescriptions?

[Booz]

cyp is okay for a 1st cycle mate!!

[powerliftmike]

I think your doc was right in giving you cyp over prop.

[tcw]

I think your doc was right in giving you cyp over prop.

thnks Mike...the problem with cyp is the water retention (i hear about this)...and i want to avoid that As much as Possible...

[madflabby]

I never knew finding a quack was that easy, how did you do it?

[simster1]

i would just be happy getting gear from a doctor.

[ironmike250]

then it's legal right? If it's prescribed?

[keth'naab]

no kidding, geez

[NewBreed]

I knew there was a reason to get up today. :-))

[tcw]

1) Yes...gear is legal if prescribed. If you have a good insurance plan and you are of reasonable age (over 30) you can get it prescibed under HRT. Of course if you are a junkee....your relationship with your DR won't last. Most dr's want blood work that indicates a below normal test level. REMEMBER...Testosterone was developed originally to help those who were mal-nurished, imanciated or victims of War (sp).

2) Dr's such as Endocronologist (sp) prescribe juice like it was no-tommorrow. Of course the majority of their patients are AIDS cases, people with terminal disease and transgender ops.


Thnks for the input....appreciate it. I just placed an order for grapeseed oil to cut the propinate.....however i will consider the cypinate for my first cycle. Problem is....i don't want to inject for more than 4 weeks...i am trying to avoid any PCT.....

[Anabolios]

Thnks for the input....appreciate it. I just placed an order for grapeseed oil to cut the propinate.....however i will consider the cypinate for my first cycle. Problem is....i don't want to inject for more than 4 weeks...i am trying to avoid any PCT.....[/QUOTE]


why would you want to avoid PCT?? i understand it kind of sucks but you could do an 8 or 12 week cycle and get much more gains and keep more if PCT is run properly thats JMHO

[Reprisal 6]

Thnks for the input....appreciate it. I just placed an order for grapeseed oil to cut the propinate.....however i will consider the cypinate for my first cycle. Problem is....i don't want to inject for more than 4 weeks...i am trying to avoid any PCT.....

No more than 4 weeks?
I don't understand what you are trying to do here. Post your goals, and cycle outline.

[tcw]

No more than 4 weeks?
I don't understand what you are trying to do here. Post your goals, and cycle outline.

Actually...i should have said...minimal...PCT. I want to do a short cycle..... want to gain 10 quality pounds. NO WATER.

1-2 100mg of prop ed,
1-2 25mg Anavar ed,
1-2 Novadex 20 mg ed
1-2 Femera 2.5 mg ed
3 Proviron 25 ed
3 Novadex 10 mg ed
3 Clenbutrol 25 mg ed
4 Clomid 35 mg ed
4 Proviron 25 ed
4 Novadex 10 ed
4 Clenbutrol 25 mg ed

I train like a MF and can train with Hard core guys on the juice RIGHT NOW.

Gonna bump my protein intake up to 300 grams per day...as the juice will help me synthesize it.

I got this schedule from a more experienced "european" board poster by the name "ibiza69"....If you want more detail...do a search under that name.

Later@!

[Anabolios]

Actually...i should have said...minimal...PCT. I want to do a short cycle..... want to gain 10 quality pounds. NO WATER.

1-2 100mg of prop ed,
1-2 25mg Anavar ed,
1-2 Novadex 20 mg ed
1-2 Femera 2.5 mg ed
3 Proviron 25 ed
3 Novadex 10 mg ed
3 Clenbutrol 25 mg ed
4 Clomid 35 mg ed
4 Proviron 25 ed
4 Novadex 10 ed
4 Clenbutrol 25 mg ed

I train like a MF and can train with Hard core guys on the juice RIGHT NOW.

Gonna bump my protein intake up to 300 grams per day...as the juice will help me synthesize it.

I got this schedule from a more experienced "european" board poster by the name "ibiza69"....If you want more detail...do a search under that name.

Later@!

ur actually only running a 2 week cycle? 2 weeks on prop and var? good luck getting anything off that except a little harder and small boost in strength..i wouldnt expect 10 lbs with that

[GetHugeDieTrying]

1) Yes...gear is legal if prescribed. If you have a good insurance plan and you are of reasonable age (over 30) you can get it prescibed under HRT. Of course if you are a junkee....your relationship with your DR won't last. Most dr's want blood work that indicates a below normal test level. REMEMBER...Testosterone was developed originally to help those who were mal-nurished, imanciated or victims of War (sp).

2) Dr's such as Endocronologist (sp) prescribe juice like it was no-tommorrow. Of course the majority of their patients are AIDS cases, people with terminal disease and transgender ops.


Thnks for the input....appreciate it. I just placed an order for grapeseed oil to cut the propinate.....however i will consider the cypinate for my first cycle. Problem is....i don't want to inject for more than 4 weeks...i am trying to avoid any PCT.....

if your trying to avoid pct dont do ****in steriods.pct is the key to keep gains. holy shit im sorry its the morning, and str8 fwd bluntness is what u need to hear. Do the cyp for **** sakes. no one pops their cherry with prop. enan or cyp.

[ironmike250]

How About Some Feedabck People? How Do You Approach An M.d. With This?

[MASTER]

cyps alright, i personally get loads of bloat from it though

[BajanBastard]

You want to gain 10 lbs of lean muscle mass with a 2 week cycle?

[Reprisal 6]

Your cycle is insufficient for your goals. You have a script to make it legal but you are planning on using drugs you don't have a script for. I would stick with your doctors advice at this point.

good luck

[tcw]

Your cycle is insufficient for your goals. You have a script to make it legal but you are planning on using drugs you don't have a script for. I would stick with your doctors advice at this point.

good luck

thnks Reprisal....but....i do have a script. I DON'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL....too much too loose. As i stated in my original post....I can also get a script for Propinate. (granted...its from a Lab...but...its still a legitimate pharmacy with a Dr's script).

Also...i believe that this cycle will in fact get me 10 lbs....i'm talking 700mg of propinate a week...for 2 weeks...That's alot of juice for a first time user. In fact...i've read documented studies from EXPERIENCED USERS....of gaining 15lbs plus...

Keep in mind....the cycle is actually 4 weeks long ...including PCT...

We will see...its a safe cycle...which is what's most important to me!

[N4cer]

Keep in mind....the cycle is actually 4 weeks long ...including PCT...

Um, the English language itself tells you that PCT is not part of your cycle. That's why it's called POST cycle therapy.
Post = After
If it's therapy occuring AFTER your cycle, it's not part of your cycle.
Stupid ass new-age wannabe net gurus who read too much BS and don't experiment enough made up that CRAP about PCT being on-time. You really need to read more, apparently.

[tcw]

Um, the English language itself tells you that PCT is not part of your cycle. That's why it's called POST cycle therapy.
Post = After
If it's therapy occuring AFTER your cycle, it's not part of your cycle.
Stupid ass new-age wannabe net gurus who read too much BS and don't experiment enough made up that CRAP about PCT being on-time. You really need to read more, apparently.

Are we getting lost in symantecs????

....LOL...dude...the key word in PCT...is "cycle"....therefore its part of your CYCLE! Most users wouldn't consider AAS without including PCT....as PART OF THEIR CYCLE!

But...thnks for the CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT...Smart Ass....now get off my post. I asked for intelligent comments only. Keep the sarcastic comments to yourself!

[BajanBastard]

Are we getting lost in symantecs????

....LOL...dude...the key word in PCT...is "cycle"....therefore its part of your CYCLE! Most users wouldn't consider AAS without including PCT....as PART OF THEIR CYCLE!

But...thnks for the CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT...Smart Ass....now get off my post. I asked for intelligent comments only. Keep the negative remarks to yourself!

POST cycle means AFTER cycle so how can it be part for the cycle? Most people do not consider this part of the AAS cycle. AAS focuses on using drugs to complement a solid base diet and training program. As said before you will not get the goals you seek using that current cycle. 6 weeks is a more realistic timeframe.

[N4cer]

Are we getting lost in symantecs????

....LOL...dude...the key word in PCT...is "cycle"....therefore its part of your CYCLE! Most users wouldn't consider AAS without including PCT....as PART OF THEIR CYCLE!

But...thnks for the CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT...Smart Ass....now get off my post. I asked for intelligent comments only. Keep the sarcastic comments to yourself!

You you kidding me? PCT is not considered part of your cycle. It's considered to be your POST CYCLE. Of course I would do a PCT with every cycle (even though your ignorant little self just said a page ago that you're trying to "avoid PCT").
You come on here as a newbie asking retarded questions and talk to ME that way? You ignorant child, you have no idea what you even said, do ya? Idiot. Read:

Keep in mind....the cycle is actually 4 weeks long ...including PCT...

So my point is you were saying you think you'll get those gains because it's actually 4 weeks, including PCT. My point was your PCT time has nothing to do with making gains toward your goal. Just toward keeping your gains.

Now, I'm going to forgive your stupidity just because it's obvious that you know jack crap about the topics you're speaking of. I mean, I guess you're being a little smart-mouthed b1t<h because everyone is pointing out your faults. But why be so defensive? You asked for input, then argue why you don't need it. Just get off the board if you already have the answers, smart-ass internet tough guy.

[Seattle Junk]

Are we getting lost in symantecs????

....LOL...dude...the key word in PCT...is "cycle"....therefore its part of your CYCLE! Most users wouldn't consider AAS without including PCT....as PART OF THEIR CYCLE!

But...thnks for the CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT...Smart Ass....now get off my post. I asked for intelligent comments only. Keep the sarcastic comments to yourself!

PCT is not part of a cycle. It stands for Post (after), Cycle (roids), Therapy. You don't grow in PCT unless your doing another type of drug like IGF or GH.

[JiGGaMaN]

I DON'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL....too much too loose.

as much as that comment pissed me off im gonna control myself . your doctor was right to give you cyp and not prop for a first cycle. you might want to get used to injecting and what juice is all about before you jump into ED injections right off the bat. as for 2 weeks, thats not going to do anything but shut you down. that being said please do more research.

[Reprisal 6]

I didn't know you also had a script for var with plans for a script with prop. I can only go by the info given.

I still don't think you are going to see 10 pounds in 2 weeks. But hey bro, that's JMO. I hope you make it. Keep the board updated on your progress so we can have reference as to what a 2 week cycle does for you.

Good luck.

[tcw]

I didn't know you also had a script for var with plans for a script with prop. I can only go by the info given.

I still don't think you are going to see 10 pounds in 2 weeks. But hey bro, that's JMO. I hope you make it. Keep the board updated on your progress so we can have reference as to what a 2 week cycle does for you.

Good luck.

Thnks Reprisal...

Hey...i got this cycle from this board....experienced user....we'll see if it works or not....will keep you posted....

My next fact finder mission is figuring out how much grapeseed oil to mix with the propinate to make it relatively acceptable (pain wise). Any ideas on that?

[IBdmfkr]

Curious what user suggested this method of cycling? Not against it, I have never done anything like this, so hard for me to bash it. Goodluck with it. I'd go with 1/2cc of GSoil for every cc of Prop.

[tcw]

Curious what user suggested this method of cycling? Not against it, I have never done anything like this, so hard for me to bash it. Goodluck with it. I'd go with 1/2cc of GSoil for every cc of Prop.

thnks Ibd....

like i said in my post....do a search under the name of "ibiza69"...

You will see his post on short cycles...read carefully....what is written. I've also got a book by Paul Borrenson (PB). PB is a propinate of short cycles....although not as short as this one. PB's cycles run between 4-6wks...max. High dosage amounts with SHORT esthers....

Now...i'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination. As i stated...i am a first time user...but i consider myself to be "somewhat" intelligent. After researching this subject for about 1 yr...i feel "almost" comfortable with the subject matter. OF COURSE...there is no better teacher then EXPERIENCE.

So....we will see...thnks for the tip....and read that article by ibiza69!