What is better for muscle gains and fat loss?

[ryan9101]

I am doing another cycle (#4) starting in early November. I am thinking about doing some HGH but with no juice. I would run about 5ius 5 on 2 off for 6 months. BUT here is my question

Would I gain more weight and muscle mass of of an HGH only cycle or a cycle of Test, tren, eq, and anadrol? I am doing one or the other but I dont know how good HGH is by itself and I dont want to spend over 2500. Thanks.

[Ufa]

If you are on cycle # 4 you should know that GH will only help you heal. May help your muscles build back quicker. At 28 you have plenty of GH allready.
Nothing will make muscle mass like the aas you mentioned. Good luck!

[SMAN12b]

HGH is good, but no way better than AAS for building. You would need to stay on HGH for longer than 6 months to really see the benifits, and they will NOT produce the same results as a Test cycle!!!

I use HGH in conjunction WITH an AAS cycle!

[spywizard]

Diet/rest/exercise/supplementation..

in that order.. good luck..

[ryan9101]

Thanks. I hope its not a dumb question, but either way before I spend that type of money I need to make sure its money well spent.

[cfiler]

Thanks. I hope its not a dumb question, but either way before I spend that type of money I need to make sure its money well spent.

Go with the aas.

[taiboxa]

Diet/rest/exercise/supplementation..

in that order.. good luck..

exactomondo

[magic32]

exactomondo

Nice quote, Fonzie!

M.

[ryan9101]

Ok guys here is what I have decided tell me what you think!!

WEEKS:
1-4 Test Prop 100mg/day
1-5 Anadrol 100mg/day
1-16 Test E 750mg
1-15 Deca 400mg
1-15 EQ 600mg
11-18 Tbol 60mg/day
Proper PCT

[SMAN12b]

Ok guys here is what I have decided tell me what you think!!

WEEKS:
1-4 Test Prop 100mg/day
1-5 Anadrol 100mg/day
1-16 Test E 750mg
1-15 Deca 400mg
1-15 EQ 600mg
11-18 Tbol 60mg/day
Proper PCT

Seems like a lot of overkill to me

Don't think you need BOTH Prop and Anadrol to kickstart
I would stop the deca week 14
13 weeks of orals sounds too harsh for my tastes, but....
Thats JMHO

[onehundredk]

Ok guys here is what I have decided tell me what you think!!

WEEKS:
1-4 Test Prop 100mg/day
1-5 Anadrol 100mg/day
1-16 Test E 750mg
1-15 Deca 400mg
1-15 EQ 600mg
11-18 Tbol 60mg/day
Proper PCT

I think im confused..in your thread title, it says, whats best for gains and fat loss...ok theres a cycle there..then you say you want to gain more weight and mass...ok thats a different cycle..
the test
why run test prop and test ethan?...pick one...i like ethanate personally...but for cutting you want a water based...if your lookin for mass...youll want test cyph, or test ethan....
the orals
from my understanding anadrol has similar effects of dbol...which i do have experience with...dbol causes alot of water retention in the muscle, which in fact will give you the mass...the tbol i dont know anything on, so im not gonna comment..but i see this oral used in cutting cycles
the gear
EQ and deca is very similar...in a matter afact...almost the same, but totally different...EQ is more of a cutter, pulls out more lean muscle and doesnt hold water....deca is for bulking, this does hold water in your muscles and give you more of a MASS look..
proper pct
this is where you would take your clomid. dependin on what testosterone you were using you want to wait 14-18 days after last injection...take 100mg/ed for the first week, and the next 3 weeks 50mg/ed (this is what works for me, your body could be different)

my recommendation

if you want to just get as big as possible, run this(doses are high, assuming you have taken gear before)

week1-16= test ethan@ 500mg 2x weekly [1g week]
week1-14= deca@ 600mg weekly [600mg week]
week10-16= masteron@ 100mg eod [~350mg week] *OPTIONAL*
week1-4= Dbol@ 50mg everday [350mg week] *OPTIONAL*


***yes i know test should be 100mg higher than deca, but i feel since test has a low androgen rate of 100, i feel you should have a high dose of test if you want full effects***

or if you want to lean out...which i havent yet taken a cycle for leaning you could take winstrol, eq, trenabol....all of those promote lean muscle and fat loss..test prop would be what you would want to take for cutting.

hoped i help...

[Ufa]

SMAN -- how's the new tattoo?

[SMAN12b]

SMAN -- how's the new tattoo?

Healing nicely Ufa, thanks.


And as Ufa said not a dumb question at all. But I think you would benifit much better with a good ole AAS cycle!!

[Kale]

Healing nicely Ufa, thanks.


And as Ufa said not a dumb question at all. But I think you would benifit much better with a good ole AAS cycle!!

Where are the pics honey ?

[SMAN12b]

Where are the pics honey ?

You must have missed it. Here you go


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight=fresh+ink

[Ufa]

It's a dam good question. Especially with all the GH hype. Don't get me wrong I take GH but I'm 55. I'm running on low GH naturally so I get great beneifits.
At 28, GH would be at the bottom of the list. Good luck with your decisions.

[marcus300]

Gh at them levels will not build muscle mass,

spywizard answered your question.