"Roid Rage"

[Gunns420]

I am just about 3 weeks into my first cycle. I am running Test enth 500mg a week and winny -which was 50mg eod but now 50mg ed. I am a fairly aggressive person as it is,and I work a really stressful job. My age is 25, I am 5'9 215 lbs as of right now. I have been exploding lately. I thought it was too early in the cycle for the so-called "roid rage"- which still is not entirely clear to me. I know people who swear it's a myth and have never had it. If it is a "side-effect", does it last after the cycle is over during PCT?

[Kale]

To me its a myth. I think its physchological. You know you are on juice, makes you bigger and stronger and that makes you more agrressive in the gym. Some pea brains just carry that over to the outside and call it roid rage. I will probably get flamed but I think its a load of shit. If you feel more aggressive then deal with it and dont blame it on juice.

[rock steady]

To me its a myth. I think its physchological. You know you are on juice, makes you bigger and stronger and that makes you more agrressive in the gym. Some pea brains just carry that over to the outside and call it roid rage. I will probably get flamed but I think its a load of shit. If you feel more aggressive then deal with it and dont blame it on juice.

I agree all the way with the psychologoical part about it...I knew a skinny friend back in high school decided to run an all deca cycle (250mg a week .. major newbie). A week after his first injection, he claims he had his first roid rage...Funny thing is the kids diet sucked, and he went to the gym maybe 1-3 times a week AT MOST...Just knowing he was juicing made him think he would have rages and get angry all the time, which is what led him to believe he had that rage...That thought process The juice just changes some people's mentality about things, makes them feel more dominant because they are getting stronger and bigger...

[magic32]

Gunns420,
I don’t know if your forum name is a play on your real one or a revelation of something about you, but I think you’ll find this information especially interesting.

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This particular topic has proponents on both sides as this thread has illustrated thus far, those who swear it's affecting them (like Oki) and those (like Kale) who refuse to believe it even exists. But regardless of your viewpoint, a preponderance of study-based evidence exists to support definitive (though not always causal) correlation between Test and aggression. There are certain foundational points that I think should be considered in any debate of this topic.

1. Human aggression has both a nature and nurture component, in which it is both hormonal and learned.
   
2. There are in both animal and human studies SIGNIFICANT INDIVIDUAL DIFFERENCES with regard to natural tendencies and exhibitions of aggression REGARDLESS of testosterone levels.

I’ve read a host of Test/Aggression studies many of which simply aped others, but nevertheless, there is evidence that high levels of testosterone are necessary but not sufficient to trigger aggression. This may sound paradoxical so permit me to elaborate with a rather poignant and interesting study:

There were individual differences in the aggressive behavior of mice (as in #2 above). In one experiment male mice were rated as aggressive or non-aggressive. They were then castrated which reduced their aggression. When they were given testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), only those mice that were initially rated as aggressive showed a restoration of aggressive behavior. In other words, testosterone is necessary for aggressive mice to exhibit aggression, but injecting testosterone is not sufficient to turn a previously non-aggressive mouse into an aggressive mouse.

Similarly studies have been performed that illustrate TRT/HRT indeed makes naturally aggressive humans (as admitted above by Gunns420) more aggressive…lending credence to both the existence “Roid Rage”, as well as the lack thereof in many other individuals.

http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year2/a...ggression.html

M.

[timtim]

anyone saying aas dont increase aggression is simply lying to themselves. we are taking in testosterone and the high amounts in our systems will make us more irritable, irrational, and aggressive. plain and simple there. there is no science to debunk the "myth". i have never had a head rush saying i am bigger, stronger, and on aas so im going to be a complete dick. that has never happened to me. BUT i have had outbursts due to a shorter fuse caused by the hormones. this is all real. whether you allow yourself to completely lose it is one thing but the fact that aas cause mood changes is all real. this whole thing that roid rage is an excuse and what-not is completely bullshit.

[davedizzle]

anyone saying aas dont increase aggression is simply lying to themselves. we are taking in testosterone and the high amounts in our systems will make us more irritable, irrational, and aggressive. plain and simple there. there is no science to debunk the "myth". i have never had a head rush saying i am bigger, stronger, and on aas so im going to be a complete dick. that has never happened to me. BUT i have had outbursts due to a shorter fuse caused by the hormones. this is all real. whether you allow yourself to completely lose it is one thing but the fact that aas cause mood changes is all real. this whole thing that roid rage is an excuse and what-not is completely bullshit.

Good post

[JohnboyF]

To me its a myth. I think its physchological. You know you are on juice, makes you bigger and stronger and that makes you more agrressive in the gym. Some pea brains just carry that over to the outside and call it roid rage. I will probably get flamed but I think its a load of shit. If you feel more aggressive then deal with it and dont blame it on juice.

I agree with you completly. Aggression is tru but you need to be able to control it.

[crash187ct]

To me its a myth. I think its physchological. You know you are on juice, makes you bigger and stronger and that makes you more agrressive in the gym. Some pea brains just carry that over to the outside and call it roid rage. I will probably get flamed but I think its a load of shit. If you feel more aggressive then deal with it and dont blame it on juice.

not going to flame here, because i agree 110%.

[Oki-Des]

not going to flame here, because i agree 110%.

Ever tried Tren?

[tcw]

I read a study once on the testosterone level of the average prison inmate which came to the conclusion that violient offenders had higher levels of testosterone in their system than non-violent. Makes sense to me.....
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...h&pagewanted=5


also in Females....
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0927110900.htm

I've also heard un-usual stories from users who say their agression level picks up substantially...

so....be kewl.....watch yourself....or you might find yourself in trouble....

peace....

[Gunns420]

Yeah I'll just have to take a few deep breaths I guess. I think (and I'm not an expert by any means) that "rage" is a side effect just like acne,bitch tits, etc. and shouldnt be dismissed as 'in your head". I think anyone who has felt it would agree. The thing about blood pressure makes sense too.

[KrazeeEddie]

Id rather call it hormonal anger. women have pms, steroid users have hormonal anger, women cry, men punch things its nature thats what anabolics do, they amplify our bodies and they amplify our emotions and sometimes skew our point of view. you need to control yourself.

[Dr Todd]

Just chill out man!

[Gunns420]

No it's not like I'm acting like a hard ass to people it's that small things seem to get me extremely angry extremely fast- Ya know like dropping a fork on the ground or spilling something. It seems like there's an imaginary trigger being pulled. I wouldn't ask the question if I didnt think it was valid.

[crane]

i don't believe "roid Rage" is totally a myth but yes With 99% of the people it just goes to there head. especially if it is just test. i notice when i am on tren i am alittle bit more crankier though. it is still controllable and people who alow that to get out of hand are the ones that feel they have to prove something. especially people with a nepolean complex.

[BITTAPART2]

i don't believe "roid Rage" is totally a myth but yes With 99% of the people it just goes to there head. especially if it is just test. i notice when i am on tren i am alittle bit more crankier though. it is still controllable and people who alow that to get out of hand are the ones that feel they have to prove something. especially people with a nepolean complex.

DITTO, yes you will be more aggresive while on a cycle so know that b4 going into a cycle and look for signs and/or triggers to avoid or have a plan to deal w/ stuff better. Tren is probably the only substance besides milberone i have run that makes me pretty loco. I get jealous sometimes on tren and milberone makes me shake and feel like i want to bust out of my skin and tear someones head off, but i only ran that once for a local toughman fight never again will i run that, b/c after the fight I was pissed off at everything for like 2 days and i won 2 grand LOL. just chill bro, those doses shouldnt make you abnormally testy (excuse the pun) but really it is mental bro, everything is amplified but my guess is that there are no new phsycological reasins for this just the same you and level 10 instea of 5

[thegodfather]

This topic gets beat to death. Some will call you an asshole for even mentioning the term, others claim to have experienced it. I personally have noticed that my fuse is shorter on test. I would not go so far as to call it a 'rage' just a higher degree of irritability. However, Im only speaking about Testosterone, I have never run Tren therefore I cannot comment on it from personal experience. I am neither here nor there on the 'roid rage' debate, I will only bring up a very interesting FACT. A large majority of prison inmates have abnormally high testosterone levels. Prison inmates are people with poor impulse controls and prone to violent behaviors. I'll leave it up to the individual to make the connection or not.

[Oki-Des]

Prison inmates are people with poor impulse controls and prone to violent behaviors. I'll leave it up to the individual to make the connection or not.[/QUOTE]

So if people with naturally high test levels are prone to violent behavior why dont people who inject test put themselves into this category too? I think your point proves that test does effect behavior.

[crane]

No it's not like I'm acting like a hard ass to people it's that small things seem to get me extremely angry extremely fast- Ya know like dropping a fork on the ground or spilling something. It seems like there's an imaginary trigger being pulled. I wouldn't ask the question if I didnt think it was valid.

yes you are right about that. i get more frustrated alot easier. just the other day i made a bowl of cherios and couldn't walk from the kitchen to living room without spilling it and droping some of the cherios on the floor. i wanted to take that bowl and throw it against the wall.

[SVTMuscle*]

Yeah man google "nude hotties"
and you'll feel better, just count to 10 or some shit =)

[RA]

To me its not a myth BUT you have to control it or dont juice.

[smallchecks]

Gunns, I know what you mean buddy. Its the small things with me too, i dropped a piece of chicken on the floor the other day and about lost it It took me like 20 minutes to calm down It may be a myth but I feel your pain brotha!

[Oki-Des]

I do not want to bash roids, so I wont flame anyone who thinks its a myth. But, for those who have had it, they know the difference. You know something is wrong when you explode in a fit of rage and when you are done you notice a broken bone protruding from the back of your hand. Before taking tren, I bet 6 years have passed since I had thrown a punch. On tren, I broke my hand 2 times in one month punching sh1t.

Its not just the simple thought that I know I am stronger and therefore am more agressive. I had a recently broken hand and knew if I hit anything again, I would hurt myself considerably. I had no control and can laugh about it now, but everyone who knows me looks at me a little different. Call it what you want, but in either case its still me that fu4ked up. I blame it on the tren, but because it was my choice to take tren, it still is my fault. So I cant really blame anything on a drug, but do beleive it attributed to my stupidity. Its like getting drunk. Some guys do dumb things when they are drunk too. Its not that it is an excuse, but they probably would not have done the same thing if they were not drunk.

[Timm1704]

i would say there bis a very strog basis for 'roid rage', as it makes us far more emotional, and things do get to you quicker WITHOUT question. BUT, all this is controllable, when i feel myself boiling up, i remind myself why, and that atleast i know the stuff im taking is real lol. infact, just lately i have noticed i am more chilled out on cycle lol

[lean123]

my 2 cents~
different people have different reactions.

The effects of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on angry behavior in healthy eugonadal men--a clinical research center study.

Tricker R, Casaburi R, Storer TW, Clevenger B, Berman N, Shirazi A, Bhasin S.

Division of Endocrinology, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA.

"Anecdotal reports of "roid rage" and violent crimes by androgenic steroid users have brought attention to the relationship between anabolic steroid use and angry outbursts. However, testosterone effects on human aggression remain controversial. Previous studies have been criticized because of the low androgen doses, lack of placebo control or blinding, and inclusion of competitive athletes and those with preexisting psychopathology. To overcome these pitfalls, we used a double-blind, placebo-controlled design, excluded competitive athletes and those with psychiatric disorders, and used 600 mg testosterone enanthate (TE)/week. Forty-three eugonadal men, 19-40 yr, were randomized to 1 of 4 groups: Group I, placebo, no exercise; Group II, TE, no exercise; Group III, placebo, exercise; Group IV, TE plus exercise. Exercise consisted of thrice weekly strength training sessions. The Multi-Dimensional Anger Inventory (MAI), which includes 5 different dimensions of anger (inward anger, outward anger, anger arousal, hostile outlook, and anger eliciting situations), and a Mood Inventory (MI), which includes items related to mood and behavior, were administered to subjects before, during, and after the 10 week intervention. The subject's significant other (spouse, live-in partner, or parent) also answered the same questions about the subject's mood and behavior (Observer Mood Inventory, OMI). No differences were observed between exercising and nonexercising and between placebo and TE treated subjects for any of the 5 subdomains of MAI. Overall there were no significant changes in MI or OMI during the treatment period in any group. Conclusion: Supraphysiological doses of testosterone, when administered to normal men in a controlled setting, do not increase angry behavior. These data do not exclude the possibility that still higher doses of multiple steroids might provoke angry behavior in men with preexisting psychopathology."

[mkrulic]

I really dont mean for this to sound arrogant but I think that people who say its a myth are people who are not as sensitive to hormonal changes. It's as if they think its a myth because they do not personaly suffer from it. w/ that rational I believe alcholism is a myth because I dont suffer from it.

[getpumped24]

aas does make me feel a little more aggressive. when you start playing with hormones, it will effect your emotions. i take it out on the weights. if you can't control your aggression, you shouldn't be on aas.

[flyhalf]

i notice im a little crankier with my kid when he doesnt listen the first time, and yes the little things seem to get to me alot easier but i also believe its a myth and that its all psychological.

[*Alex*]

I'm on my first cycle of test e, been on it for 6 weeks and havent felt and agression towards anyone.

[lk24]

its not a myth. but only certain compounds cause real rage like halo. you cant deny the increase in aggression some compounds can cause.

[DarKOmeN]

cnt control your temper bro in my eyes not mature enuff 2 use steds. ppl cnt always blame gear.

[playboii]

I deff belive rages are true...im on 600mg of test and 400mg of tren a week and I just lost my girlfriend of a yr and a half for exploding so much on her and saying the meanest things you could ever think of..she even told me herself that I never been like this..and I noticed it myself I was in denial at first be I realized I had changed my fuse was very short and I exploded alot faster..now im depressed =(, my boy who also ran tren was in the same situation as me..

[Oki-Des]

[QUOTE=playboii]I deff belive rages are true...im on 600mg of test and 400mg of tren a week and I just lost my girlfriend of a yr and a half for exploding so much on her and saying the meanest things you could ever think of..she even told me herself that I never been like this..and I noticed it myself I was in denial at first be I realized I had changed my fuse was very short and I exploded alot faster..now im depressed =(, my boy who also ran tren was in the same situation as me..[/QUOTE

Tren is a beast, or at least brings the beast out of some of us.

[shortie]

It is always up to the individual, I find that yes AAS shortens my fuse, but never once have I lost control on another living creature or inantimate object. To borrow Oki's phrase if you are, "people with poor impulse controls and prone to violent behaviors" then you really should consider not using AAS, it will not improve your decision making skills.

[davidboy]

its in your head bro..chill out

[timtim]

its in your head bro..chill out

the thing is, its not in your head. the over-reacting and explosive behavior is a result of the drugs. the ability to control this is what is at question more or less. its a fact that these drugs cause these effects. so its really not in your head.

[lk24]

its in your head bro..chill out

yea definitally not in the head!

[EdMan2]

I always think of it like this. You know how some people when they get drunk all they do is fight, and some when they drink all they do is become very happy and extremely social, being on cycle is the same way. Some people will use it as an excuse to reach their fullest asshole potential, and other's will have a great time and be extremely happy. Sure it might make you slightly more irritable, but that should'nt be a problem.

PS, does this remind anyone else of that scene from American Psycho where Bateman's co-worker gets all enraged then just says "sorry it's the steroids."

[TADOLFI]

This roid rage thread reminded me of a shirt I got for a buddy of mine - his wife was always telling him how he was on a "rage"

This is what it looked like:

[beachbum28]

Bro....Xanax sounds right for you! I am a high strung and agressive person by nature...so much that my stress level had me in the er and cardiologist thinking i was have a heart attack. Was just stress and that was before ,y cycle. I'm now on sust and deca with no problems. That roid rage is what you make of it. If you can't control yourself off it, then you shouldn't be on it as it will increase your agression...but again..if you let. Test is the main horman that makes us a man...want to hunt....slap the monkey... and live on the edge... so the more you add the more you become a man... Cool out...drink chamomile tea all day and pop a xanax if you have too.