Improving vascularity

[SuperLift]

(tp)

What would be the best way to improve vascularity? Just up'ing the cardio and getting stricter on the diet to lower bf? Is that right?

[Schwarzenegger]

NO2,, or if u want the cheap way,, take L-arginine (main ingredient in NO2) combined with diet

i personally dont do cardio,, lol cuz i have super high metabolism

[IBdmfkr]

Yes low bodyfat helps but genetics plays a big role also.

There are other tricks with manipulating carbs etc but too complicated to explain in one post.

[anabolicpower]

You can also try niacin (vitamin b3). It gives insane pumps

[SVTMuscle*]

You can also try niacin (vitamin b3). It gives insane pumps

Really? never heard of that one.

[anabolicpower]

Really? never heard of that one.

Yeah, use the search function of the forum.. there are many threads about it.

[majorpecs]

Another good supplement to help with vascularity is vanadyl sulfate.

[magic32]

Another good supplement to help with vascularity is vanadyl sulfate.

Yep, this is the original vasodilator!

Vanadyl is a keeper, and for pennies in comparison...120 tabs for about $4.99, if you shop around.

M.

[aadrenaline]

Yep, this is the original vasodilator!

Vanadyl is a keeper, and for pennies in comparison...120 tabs for about $4.99, if you shop around.

M.

how much do you have to take? and aprox. how long does it take?

[magic32]

how much do you have to take? and aprox. how long does it take?

As with most trace mineral very little. A serving is generally 7.5 - 10mgs.

M.

[aadrenaline]

As with most trace mineral very little. A serving is generally 7.5 - 10mgs.

M.

yea i noticed most products were 10mg but i wasnt sure if you were to take more than one a day. im gonna pick some up and try it out. thanks

[SuperLift]

Another good supplement to help with vascularity is vanadyl sulfate.

Does anyone know how much you should take per day? The ones im looking at come in 10mg potency.

[SVTMuscle*]

Does anyone know how much you should take per day? The ones im looking at come in 10mg potency.

Usally 40mg-50mg a day is what I do start with 20mg work your way up

[k bizzle]

eq did it for me

[SuperLift]

Thanks for the info, im going to look into those!

[IBdmfkr]

Yep used niacin for my contest but you have to already be pretty lean..

[Decoder]

(tp)

What would be the best way to improve vascularity? Just up'ing the cardio and getting stricter on the diet to lower bf? Is that right?

cardio and with out a doub by BNS's nitrix i got soo amazingly vascular on it, i worked better than winny.

[aadrenaline]

ill agree with the niacin. ive been taking 1g a day for the past 8 weeks..to battle cholesterol..and ive noticed new veins in my chest that go into my shoulder. and my existing veins are a little more noticable all day.

also since being on niacin my cholesterol has dropped from 245-215 as of 3 days ago

[aadrenaline]

i think any supp store should carry somthing

[pumpd4lif]

(tp)

What would be the best way to improve vascularity? Just up'ing the cardio and getting stricter on the diet to lower bf? Is that right?

that is the best way i can think of

[magic32]

that is the best way i can think of

True.

Vasodilators don't increase permanently vascularity. As so named, they enlarge blood vessels for the shuttling of more blood into the worked muscle.

It'z like blowing air into your musclez, and thatz wat we call the pump!
- Arnold

M.

[anabolicpower]

True.

Vasodilators don't increase permanently vascularity. As so named, they enlarge blood vessels for the shuttling of more blood into the worked muscle.

It'z like blowing air into your musclez, and thatz wat we call the pump!
- Arnold

M.

Like blowing air you say ? I thought it was nitrogen
(sorry for the yoda style)

[magic32]

Like blowing air you say ? I thought it was nitrogen
(sorry for the yoda style)

Firstly, Arnold was making a simile when he said "like...air".
Secondly, nitrogen is a gas, and gas is air!

Originally Posted by roodogg
AGREED! sportspharma vanadyl was the bomb back in the day and then there was info that stated it was useless. I used to swear by it though

Exactly why you can't believe everything your read in mags.

Originally Posted by kuad
so does it work or not?

How many members do you need to authenticate this?
It fulfills its bodybuilding purpose, which is not enhanced overall vascularity, but instead the augmented shuttling of nourishing blood (vits, mins, and amino acids) into working muscles resulting in the pump.

Originally Posted by SuperLift
Does anyone know how much you should take per day? The ones im looking at come in 10mg potency.

One serving of 7.5 - 10mgs, 20 to 30 minutes prior to lifting. My dosage never increased, because it didn't need to. As with most trace minerals, developing tolerance is not an issue.

Good info and sources:
http://search.bodybuilding.com/searc...restrict=store

M.

[kuad]

just one. you.

[aadrenaline]

yea so gnc and viatmin shoppe by me dont carry it im just gonna order online. for the $7-10 or w/e it is

[aadrenaline]

here $7.99 200 10mg pills

http://www.doctorstrust.com/item/DT2...FQ-9VAodz2UGVw

[pigrond]

so does this stuff work as well as no2

[SVTMuscle*]

I don't think so, but everyone make work with it differently

[SuperLift]

How much Niacin were you taking per day?

[kuad]

so does it work or not?

[SNUKA]

arginine has worked really well for me especially the ethyl ester version. i buy the powder separate and mix it with my shakes. i have also taking no-explode during pct and that has worked great too. but id rather just buy the powder its alot cheaper

[magic32]

arginine has worked really well for me especially the ethyl ester version. i buy the powder separate and mix it with my shakes. i have also taking no-explode during pct and that has worked great too. but id rather just buy the powder its alot cheaper

Yeah, many people swear the dynamic duo of Arginine and Ornithine for the promotion of wound healing, muscle recovery, and GH release.

Ornithine actually metabolizes to Arginine in the body. If taken in doses larger than those normally obtained from your diet, or if taken on an empty stomach, these amino acids purportedly reduce Hypertension because Arginine is required for the body to synthesize nitric oxide, which enables the arterial system to retain its youthful elasticity. This works because the arterial system slightly expands and contracts with each heartbeat, so it could be considered an anti-aging amino.

I also knew a monster, who love Inositol, but that’s another story.

M.

[Fastcav]

Good read, im going to order some and give it a try myself.

[BladesOfBlood]

(tp)

What would be the best way to improve vascularity? Just up'ing the cardio and getting stricter on the diet to lower bf? Is that right?

Try not to get too much of your macros from dairy IMO.

[Logan13]

(tp)

What would be the best way to improve vascularity? Just up'ing the cardio and getting stricter on the diet to lower bf? Is that right?

The size of one's veins are the direct effect of genetics. No matter what you do, you will never have that 3/4" vein running down your bicep, unless you were born that way. You will be able to notice your vascularity much better if you have low bodyfat, and by low I mean less than 8%. NO2(arginine and ornithine) can make your veins look fuller. Equipoise and actual EPO increases red blood cell production and can therefore make your veins seem fuller as well. Vanadyl sulfate increases the fullness of your veins as well, but through what mechanism I am not sure of, but I do know that many have stopped using vanadyl because it is liver toxic. It is very hard to find unless you go online.

[dhriscerr]

The size of one's veins are the direct effect of genetics. No matter what you do, you will never have that 3/4" vein running down your bicep, unless you were born that way. You will be able to notice your vascularity much better if you have low bodyfat, and by low I mean less than 8%. NO2(arginine and ornithine) can make your veins look fuller. Equipoise and actual EPO increases red blood cell production and can therefore make your veins seem fuller as well. Vanadyl sulfate increases the fullness of your veins as well, but through what mechanism I am not sure of, but I do know that many have stopped using vanadyl because it is liver toxic. It is very hard to find unless you go online.

Really? I just thought Ronnie Colman had vein implant surgery to get those garden hoses in his body!

[magic32]

The size of one's veins are the direct effect of genetics. No matter what you do, you will never have that 3/4" vein running down your bicep, unless you were born that way. You will be able to notice your vascularity much better if you have low bodyfat, and by low I mean less than 8%. NO2(arginine and ornithine) can make your veins look fuller. Equipoise and actual EPO increases red blood cell production and can therefore make your veins seem fuller as well. Vanadyl sulfate increases the fullness of your veins as well, but through what mechanism I am not sure of, but I do know that many have stopped using vanadyl because it is liver toxic. It is very hard to find unless you go online.

Toxicity is only an issue at high dosages, like those mentioned by others earlier in this thread. Unfortunately, many subscribe to the more is better philosophy thus enacting the Law of Diminishing Returns, when the bell-shaped curve begins it's decent. It is completely safe if kept at 7.5-10mgs as recommended.

Here is some information addressing such claims, though the University of Missouri no longer supports this on their open website, it can be specifically requested:

Eager to find an answer, several research teams have explored the issue of vanadyl sulfate’s toxicity. http://extension.missouri.edu/hesnutrnews/fnr95-4.htm In one study, 12 subjects were given 13.5 mg of vanadyl sulfate daily for two weeks and then 22.5 mg daily for five months. The results were discouraging. Over 40% of the subjects developed gastrointestinal disturbances. This points to the fact that vanadyl sulfate is difficult for the body to handle over periods of time. In addition, over 40% of the subjects also developed a green tongue! Not only unsightly, this odd occurrence also showed that vanadium was building up in the body and appears to have the potential to poison humans in more serious ways. These findings are especially disturbing when one considers that some vanadyl sulfate vendors recommend that athletes consume almost six times the amount of vanadyl sulfate used in the studies. To test the fact that vanadium could potentially be accumulating in the body as a result of vanadyl sulfate supplementation, another research group tested vanadyl sulfate’s toxicity at even higher doses. In the study, death rates for the rats exposed to high levels of vanadyl sulfate were as high as 50%. They were cured of diabetes, but such results are certainly not considered positive with such a high mortality rate.

M.

[aadrenaline]

Toxicity is only an issue at high dosages, like those mentioned by others earlier in this thread. Unfortunately, many subscribe to the more is better philosophy thus enacting the Law of Diminishing Returns, when the bell-shaped curve begins it's decent. It is completely safe if kept at 7.5-10mgs as recommended.

Here is some information addressing such claims, though the University of Missouri no longer supports this on their open website, it can be specifically requested:

Eager to find an answer, several research teams have explored the issue of vanadyl sulfate’s toxicity. http://extension.missouri.edu/hesnutrnews/fnr95-4.htm In one study, 12 subjects were given 13.5 mg of vanadyl sulfate daily for two weeks and then 22.5 mg daily for five months. The results were discouraging. Over 40% of the subjects developed gastrointestinal disturbances. This points to the fact that vanadyl sulfate is difficult for the body to handle over periods of time. In addition, over 40% of the subjects also developed a green tongue! Not only unsightly, this odd occurrence also showed that vanadium was building up in the body and appears to have the potential to poison humans in more serious ways. These findings are especially disturbing when one considers that some vanadyl sulfate vendors recommend that athletes consume almost six times the amount of vanadyl sulfate used in the studies. To test the fact that vanadium could potentially be accumulating in the body as a result of vanadyl sulfate supplementation, another research group tested vanadyl sulfate’s toxicity at even higher doses. In the study, death rates for the rats exposed to high levels of vanadyl sulfate were as high as 50%. They were cured of diabetes, but such results are certainly not considered positive with such a high mortality rate.

M.

i ordered mine a week ago still never got it. but now im not so sure i want to get it...green tongue..no thanks lol no ill stick to 10mg a day

[Logan13]

Toxicity is only an issue at high dosages, like those mentioned by others earlier in this thread. Unfortunately, many subscribe to the more is better philosophy thus enacting the Law of Diminishing Returns, when the bell-shaped curve begins it's decent. It is completely safe if kept at 7.5-10mgs as recommended.

Here is some information addressing such claims, though the University of Missouri no longer supports this on their open website, it can be specifically requested:

Eager to find an answer, several research teams have explored the issue of vanadyl sulfate’s toxicity. http://extension.missouri.edu/hesnutrnews/fnr95-4.htm In one study, 12 subjects were given 13.5 mg of vanadyl sulfate daily for two weeks and then 22.5 mg daily for five months. The results were discouraging. Over 40% of the subjects developed gastrointestinal disturbances. This points to the fact that vanadyl sulfate is difficult for the body to handle over periods of time. In addition, over 40% of the subjects also developed a green tongue! Not only unsightly, this odd occurrence also showed that vanadium was building up in the body and appears to have the potential to poison humans in more serious ways. These findings are especially disturbing when one considers that some vanadyl sulfate vendors recommend that athletes consume almost six times the amount of vanadyl sulfate used in the studies. To test the fact that vanadium could potentially be accumulating in the body as a result of vanadyl sulfate supplementation, another research group tested vanadyl sulfate’s toxicity at even higher doses. In the study, death rates for the rats exposed to high levels of vanadyl sulfate were as high as 50%. They were cured of diabetes, but such results are certainly not considered positive with such a high mortality rate.

M.

I really felt that VS worked well(I took it back in '96-'99), but I took a slightly higher dose than that.

[Logan13]

Just think of vascularity as a side-effect of lower bodyfat, regardless of how you get there. If you have alot of fat, your vascularity will not be visible, no matter what or how much you take.