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    Toremifene Citrate

    I'm sure people have noticed the mention of this SERM lately and here is a little info I found on it, if you find more please add it so we can all get a better understanding of this SERM and how to incorporate it into your PCT.


    Fareston-Toremifene Citrate

    Fareston

    Chemical Name: Toremifene Citrate

    Drug Class: Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator



    Fareston is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM), not unlike its more popular cousins Nolvadex and Clomid. Just as we see with Nolvadex, Fareston is used to treat breast cancer in post-menopausal women. It does this by exerting estrogen antagonistic effects in certain tissue, most notably, breast tissue. This is actually the same mechanism of action found in Nolvadex. This is why Nolvadex is often recommended to bodybuilders who are trying to avoid gynocomastia (growth of breast tissue in males). SERMs, in addition, have several other well known effects in men, which are not simply limited to preventing the abnormal growth of breast tissue.



    At the hypothalamus and pituitary, estrogen acts in cooperation with the male body’s negative feedback loop to send a signal to decrease the secretion of LH, and when LH secretion is lowered, so are natural testosterone levels. SERMs, like Fareston, possibly act as an estrogen antagonist in the hypothalamus and pituitary, in order to increase testosterone production. Thus, although it hasn’t been studied to any great degree, it’s highly likely that Fareston is capable of increasing testosterone in the same way that Nolvadex it, as it’s androgenicity:estrogenicity ratio is 5x that of Nolvadex (1). It may also be better than Nolvadex for reasons that are of particular interest to steroid using athletes and bodybuilders.



    Fareston differs from Nolvadex in several ways, however- even though it’s very similar to it in others. Firstly, the risk of certain side effects (although relatively rare with Nolvadex) is actually quite a bit lower with Fareston. However unlikely these risks are in the first place, the risk of stroke, pulmonary embolism, and cataract is probably lower with Fareston than with Nolvadex. This is going to be of interest to people who have issues with “floaters” in their vision, which is sometimes caused by Nolvadex and Clomid, as this product may represent significantly less occular toxicity. It also differs slightly from Nolvadex in its potent with regards to improving lipid (cholesterol) profiles. In terms of improving bone mineral density, Fareston is roughly equal to Nolvadex. (2)



    Although anecdotal evidence on this compound is rare, bodybuilders who have already experimented with this stuff seem satisfied. In my estimation, it would seem to be a more potent and safer alternative to Nolvadex, for those who are worried about side effects. I’m also predicting that it may provide a greater increase in LH and therefore testosterone levels, in men when compared to Nolvadex (when an appropriate dose of each is utilized). This makes its use a strong possibility for PCT in the future, when studies on its ability to elevate testosterone is more fully studied and understood.



    Fareston would also make a welcome addition to a cycle where Cholesterol issues may be a concern, or where something slightly stronger than Nolvadex may be required to prevent gyno.


    A typical PCT for Toremifene Citrate is

    Week 1 120mg ED
    Week 2 90mg ED
    Week 3 60mg ED
    Week 4 30mg ED

    *Of course this is a guideline and can be revised*

    Cheers
    Last edited by Panzerfaust; 06-15-2007 at 03:56 PM.
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    good post mate.

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    I just wanna add a warning to whoever is going to use Fareston, just to keep in mind that Fareston causes vision problems similar to clomid, so if you were staying away from clomid for that matter then fareston is also not for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x_moe
    I just wanna add a warning to whoever is going to use Fareston, just to keep in mind that Fareston causes vision problems similar to clomid, so if you were staying away from clomid for that matter then fareston is also not for you.
    Oh really? And isn't this what they found out about Nolvadex as well?

    God, I guess there's no escaping it, then... is there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini
    Oh really? And isn't this what they found out about Nolvadex as well?

    God, I guess there's no escaping it, then... is there?

    No, please read all the scary shit about Nolva...Goose4 and I have posted this many times. Look for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muriloninja
    No, please read all the scary shit about Nolva...Goose4 and I have posted this many times. Look for it.
    clomid and nolva have been around for years, and they are the most used serms by bodybuilders to date, after all these years and experience with these two serms we start hearing scary stories about them. soon, as everyone believes that fareston will be the #1 choice of all serms to be used in pcts, farestons to this date is still the least used serm, and we really dont know much about it, but believe me, in few years after fareston becomes the most used serm by bodybuilders and have alot of us experience with it, then there is a time thats gona come were we gona start hearing scary stories about toremifene that could be but hopefully not worst than nolva and clomid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by x_moe
    clomid and nolva have been around for years, and they are the most used serms by bodybuilders to date, after all these years and experience with these two serms we start hearing scary stories about them. soon, as everyone believes that fareston will be the #1 choice of all serms to be used in pcts, farestons to this date is still the least used serm, and we really dont know much about it, but believe me, in few years after fareston becomes the most used serm by bodybuilders and have alot of us experience with it, then there is a time thats gona come were we gona start hearing scary stories about toremifene that could be but hopefully not worst than nolva and clomid.
    Hah! Exactly what I was thinking.

    I'll have to look for that stuff on Nolva now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini
    Oh really? And isn't this what they found out about Nolvadex as well?

    God, I guess there's no escaping it, then... is there?
    well you can escape this side effect by running the serm at a low dose that still can be effective on your body for increasing testosterone. For my body, I find that running clomid at no higher than 100mg can do its great job while i dont experience any nasty side effects that everybody hates, thats why i still include clomid in all my pcts.

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    So being it is a SERM... does that mean you should combine it with an AI... say like letro?

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    Would there be any benefit of running Nolvadex and Torem together?? If no, why not??

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    is this real nolvadex?
    i always had high estrogen levels, got a prescription from doctor for 20mg tabs of tamoxifen citrate for three months. my last month of it was stolen from me (in my car when my car was stolen) and the doc wouldnt give me more. i went UG and got 30mg capsules (not tabs) that were clear, the powder inside of it was yellow... my person said they were nolvadex capsules, is it? i never even knew nolvadex came in capsules since i got tabs from the doctor. is it real nolvadex? any suggestions/help would be appreciated

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