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    'We want to offer sharia law to Britain'

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    Islamic courts meet every week in the UK to rule on divorces and financial disputes. Clare Dwyer Hogg and Jonathan Wynne-Jones report on demands by senior Muslims that sharia be given legal authority

    Amnah is a modern British Muslim. She is dressed in a denim skirt and her head is covered in a hijab. Poised and self-assured, she has come to meet Dr Suhaib Hasan, a silver-bearded sheikh who sits behind his desk, surrounded by religious books.

    "But why would I have to observe the waiting period?" she asks him. "What are the reasons?" There is an urgency to her questions.

    Dr Suhaib Hasan is pushing for personal sharia law to be integrated into the British legal system

    "These reasons don't apply to me, that's what I'm very confused about. If you could give me the reasons why I have to wait three months, then I'll understand."

    Amnah is going through a divorce and is baffled at being told that she must wait for three months to remarry, considering that she hasn't seen her estranged husband for two years.

    She twists her sock-clad toes into the carpet, grasping one hand with the other in her lap, and fixes Dr Hasan with an intense look. He meets this with a simple reply: "These rulings are all in the Koran. The rulings are made for all."

    Amnah has little choice but to comply: Dr Hasan is a judge, and this is a sharia court - in east London. It sits, innocuously, at the end of a row of terrace houses in Leyton: a converted corner shop, with blinds on the windows, office- style partitions and a makeshift reception area.

    It is one of dozens of sharia courts - also known as councils - that have been set up in mosques, Islamic centres and even schools across Britain. The number of British Muslims using the courts is increasing.

    To many in the West, talk of sharia law conjures up images of the floggings, stonings, amputations and beheadings carried out in hardline Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia and Iran. However, the form practised in Britain is more mundane, focusing mainly on marriage, divorce and financial disputes.

    The judgments of the courts have no basis in British law, and are therefore technically illegitimate - they are binding only in that those involved agree to comply. For British Muslims who are keen to follow Islam, this poses a dilemma. An Islamic marriage is not recognised by British law, and therefore many couples will have two ceremonies - civil for the state, and Islamic for their faith.

    If they wish to divorce, they must then seek both a civil and an Islamic divorce.

    Dr Hasan, who has been presiding over sharia courts in Britain for more than 25 years, argues that British law would benefit from integrating aspects of Islamic personal law into the civil system, so that divorces could be rubber-stamped in the same way, for example, that Jewish couples who go to the Beth Din court have their divorce recognised in secular courts.

    He points out that the Islamic Sharia Council, of which he is the general secretary, is flooded with work. It hears about 50 divorce cases every month, and responds to as many as 10 requests every day by email and phone for a fatwa - a religious verdict on a religious matter.

    Dr Hasan, who is also a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain on issues of sharia law, says there is great misunderstanding of the issue in the West.

    "Whenever people associate the word 'sharia' with Muslims, they think it is flogging and stoning to death and cutting off the hand," he says with a smile.

    He makes the distinction between the aspects of law that sharia covers: worship, penal law, and personal law. Muslim leaders in Britain are interested only in integrating personal law, he says.

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    Some Muslim groups wanted to bring it into law here in Canada but they failed.

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    They can keep their barbaric, cruel, inhumane, and disgusting Sharia law in the dark ages in the sesspool that we call the Middle East...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    They can keep their barbaric, cruel, inhumane, and disgusting Sharia law in the dark ages in the sesspool that we call the Middle East...
    amen!

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    lol great. that s wut u get for your political correctness. I cant understand why muslims are coming in our countries and try to live like they lived in their country. then stay the **** in your country! we don t want your law nor your culture here and especially nobody preaching to us, how things in OUR countries should be.

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    Nope, I don't want Sharia Law implimented here. I'm sorry but that's taking a step backwards when we should be moving forwards with the times. That's like asking for Witch Finder Generals to be re-instated back into the police force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ***xxx*** View Post
    lol great. that s wut u get for your political correctness. I cant understand why muslims are coming in our countries and try to live like they lived in their country. then stay the **** in your country! we don t want your law nor your culture here and especially nobody preaching to us, how things in OUR countries should be.
    if u happened to know anything about history and religion, the only reason christianity spread is because christians went to other countries and and did what they are tryin to do. otherwise u would be prayin to a wooden statue today

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    Quote Originally Posted by soccer#3 View Post
    if u happened to know anything about history and religion, the only reason christianity spread is because christians went to other countries and and did what they are tryin to do. otherwise u would be prayin to a wooden statue today
    yeah, thanks for the reminder. may I remind u that we have the 21st century right now and not midevil times anymore?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccer#3 View Post
    by the way, it says Britain, not US nor germany
    you think this is an isolated development? read the newspaper, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ***xxx*** View Post
    lol great. that s wut u get for your political correctness. I cant understand why muslims are coming in our countries and try to live like they lived in their country. then stay the **** in your country! we don t want your law nor your culture here and especially nobody preaching to us, how things in OUR countries should be.

    Lets not be the pot calling the kettle black here XXX...You have made some pretty heavy insinuations about the United States and suggesting that we should have Socialized healthcare like Germany. So mabye now this is an example that should help you realize to keep those suggestions to yourself, because you wouldn't like someone suggesting to have their laws/policies implemented in your culture now would you...


    Soccer#3....If you know anything about Sharia law, it is also known as "family law" in their culture. These laws are the same ones that punish women for being raped, stoned to death, and basically strips them of any and all human rights and essentially makes them property of men. I'd say for any modern culture to allow their law into culture is a step 1,000 years in the backward direction. So although I am in the US and Xxx is in Germany, we probably feel that implementing such things in Britain would be a very dangerous precedant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Lets not be the pot calling the kettle black here XXX...You have made some pretty heavy insinuations about the United States and suggesting that we should have Socialized healthcare like Germany. So mabye now this is an example that should help you realize to keep those suggestions to yourself, because you wouldn't like someone suggesting to have their laws/policies implemented in your culture now would you...
    nope. I never suggested u should have socialized healthcare. I said ur healthcare sucks, and this is from an onjective and analyzed point of view. I don t care wut kind of healthcare system u have - I just stated that even tho we have a socialized healthcare our has a better overall quality and is still cheaper. read the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Lets not be the pot calling the kettle black here XXX...You have made some pretty heavy insinuations about the United States and suggesting that we should have Socialized healthcare like Germany. So mabye now this is an example that should help you realize to keep those suggestions to yourself, because you wouldn't like someone suggesting to have their laws/policies implemented in your culture now would you...
    nope. I never suggested u should have socialized healthcare. I said ur healthcare sucks, and this is from an onjective and analyzed point of view. I don t care wut kind of healthcare system u have - I just stated that even tho we have a socialized healthcare our has a better overall quality and is still cheaper. read the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Lets not be the pot calling the kettle black here XXX...You have made some pretty heavy insinuations about the United States and suggesting that we should have Socialized healthcare like Germany. So mabye now this is an example that should help you realize to keep those suggestions to yourself, because you wouldn't like someone suggesting to have their laws/policies implemented in your culture now would you...


    Soccer#3....If you know anything about Sharia law, it is also known as "family law" in their culture. These laws are the same ones that punish women for being raped, stoned to death, and basically strips them of any and all human rights and essentially makes them property of men. I'd say for any modern culture to allow their law into culture is a step 1,000 years in the backward direction. So although I am in the US and Xxx is in Germany, we probably feel that implementing such things in Britain would be a very dangerous precedant.
    i got a clearer picture once i read about the stoning and beheading. i've always said the middle east is stuck in the stone age

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    They can keep their barbaric, cruel, inhumane, and disgusting Sharia law in the dark ages in the sesspool that we call the Middle East...
    have u read it? please point out the "barbaric, cruel, inhumane, and disgusting Sharia law" because i would like to know. i havent read i dont even know what it is

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    It gets down to a simple question --

    Which takes precedence?
    1) religious laws, based on the inflexible authority of scripture, or
    2) secular laws, subject to changes approved by a democratically elected assembly

    Not only are a lot of Muslims in favor of #1, but so are a lot of fundamentalist Christians. Not a good thing, IMHO . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    ot only are a lot of Muslims in favor of #1, but so are a lot of fundamentalist Christians. Not a good thing, IMHO . . .
    Agreed. It's not just a Muslim thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    Agreed. It's not just a Muslim thing.
    Can you provide any articles about other faiths trying to do something like this, or do we need to jump in the time machine to see these examples?

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    by the way, it says Britain, not US nor germany

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    Muslims trying to implement their barbaric BS into civilized law. Why do they live outside of the Middle East? ****, they love it so much and its traditions, why leave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muriloninja View Post
    Muslims trying to implement their barbaric BS into civilized law. Why do they live outside of the Middle East? ****, they love it so much and its traditions, why leave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muriloninja View Post
    Muslims trying to implement their barbaric BS into civilized law. Why do they live outside of the Middle East? ****, they love it so much and its traditions, why leave?

    Well it's rhetorical question, but for those that generally wonder why, it's because they get a far better ride in places like the UK then the shitholes they've come from.

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    sorry but this may sound racist but its not meant to be................
    if they want their laws they should go back to their own bloody country to have them......................
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    Amen! I really cant believe some people are defending them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Booz View Post
    sorry but this may sound racist but its not meant to be................
    if they want their laws they should go back to their own bloody country to have them......................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booz View Post
    sorry but this may sound racist but its not meant to be................
    if they want their laws they should go back to their own bloody country to have them......................
    Agreed...


    Soccer, were you suggesting the Crusades were a good thing? In which over 1 million people were killed? I sure hope not.

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    as they say when in Rome................otherwise get the fvck out.................
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